Opera files a case against Microsoft

[din]

Ubuntu should be sued cos they bundle Firefox in Ubuntu because of which people don't get to use KDE Browser

LOL, that was really a funny comparison !!!

If you want KDE, why not using Kubuntu ? It is just like you chose between different types of Vista or different types of XP (small difference is for Ubuntu or Kubuntu, you have to pay a huge amount of Rs.50 or so - for CD )

 

[gxsaurav]

If you want KDE, why not using Kubuntu ?

Noo...I want to use Adapt in Gnome, why don't I have an option to select between Adapt & Synaptic during Ubuntu Installation.

Also, you want Opera, who not go to Windows market place & select to download Opera.

Oh wait...you can't, I forgot there is no browser in Vista due to which Windows marketplace website will not open.

Tell me din, do u agree to these.

If Microsoft bundles something like synaptic with Windows, then they again will be sued cos...

1) It point to Windows Market place by default *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/10.gif

2) Windows Comes bundled with Microsoft Application Search by default, due to which customars don't get to use Google Application Search or Opera application search*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif

 

[NucleusKore]

^ You can uninsall IE AFAIK

*img87.imageshack.us/img87/476/image1ah1.jpg

Doesn't work.

I unchecked windows media player and internet explorer and clicked next, it did some bull. I then rebooted my system, yes all the icons have gone, but if I Run iexplore or wmplayer those software are very much there !

I am posting this from my internet explorer which was supposed to have been uninstalled!!!!

 

[din]

I think the screenshot says - add or remove access to IE from desktop and start menu and not - add or remove internet explorer.

 

[gxsaurav]

I unchecked windows media player and internet explorer and clicked next, it did some bull. I then rebooted my system, yes all the icons have gone, but if I Run iexplore or wmplayer those software are very much there !

An OS requirs a HTML & multimedia engine to work. Sorry, Windows depends on WMP & IE technology to work.

OMG.....it must be eating 50 MB of hard disk space....damn, u so want your 50 MB back .... Sue MS for this 50 MB.

Hey, u know how to run the exe right now, suppose U don't know that & u don't know that there is a browser installed in your OS. U don't see any icons too. Now tell me how will u install Opera in your Windows

And by the way, isn't that Windows XP? Sorry, I guess u forgot to read that i was talking about Vista all along.

 

[NucleusKore]

I think the screenshot says - add or remove access to IE from desktop and start menu and not - add or remove internet explorer.

Yes you are right, but see the posts above, they claim that you can remove both IE and WMP

An OS requirs a HTML & multimedia engine to work. Sorry, Windows depends on WMP & IE technology to work.

OMG.....it must be eating 50 MB of hard disk space....damn, u so want your 50 MB back .... Sue MS for this 50 MB.

Hey, u know how to run the exe right now, suppose U don't know that & u don't know that there is a browser installed in your OS. U don't see any icons too. Now tell me how will u install Opera in your Windows

Now you know why Microsoft gets sued again and again and again. Some people never learn......sheesh

Sorry, I guess u forgot to read that i was talking about Vista all along.

Read the topic of the thread and the article again, they are not suing for Vista alone

 

[gxsaurav]

Yes you are right, but see the posts above, they claim that you can remove both IE and WMP

Umm...why r u trying it on XP when I m talking about Vista.

Now you know why Microsoft gets sued again and again and again. Some people never learn......sheesh

Gr8, how will u play a movie file in Windows without DirectShow engine on WMP?

How will u preview a file in Explorer, or open a CHM file without the IE Engine?

U r comparing Windows to Linux na, ok do one thing, go ahead & uninstall Konqurer from Kubuntu. Wht will it remove? Only the links....the KHTML engine will still be there.

Go ahead & remove amarok from KUbuntu, what will it remove? Amarok application but not the XINE engine that amarok uses.

Ok....go ahead & "try" to uninstall KHTML engine compleately from Kubuntu, let me know if u suceed

Go ahead & remove XINE engine compleately from Kubuntu, let me know if your OS stays in a usable state for multimedia playback....

Like I said before, Windows is not linux, don't compare Windows with Linux saying "Linux can do that, why can't windows"

 

[iMav]

well i make gas detector systems but the sensors i use are imported but there is a company which its own systems and sensors and they use their sensors in their detectors ... i think i should sue them why are they bundling their sensors in their detectors

or i should warn my chiefs not to start their new plan of making sensors coz we might get sued for using something in our products that we make ... thanks for the eye opener

 

[din]

Hey, u know how to run the exe right now, suppose U don't know that & u don't know that there is a browser installed in your OS. U don't see any icons too. Now tell me how will u install Opera in your Windows

I still didn't get that part. If he can't see IE in windows, why he can't install any other browser from any magazine CD and download Opera or any other software from internet ? Or its a must that people should use IE to download Opera ??

Also, I guess all download managers does not depend on IE, so he can't use any one of those to download Opera ? Or I am wrong on that ? Please enlighten me.

 

[NucleusKore]

I still didn't get that part. If he can't see IE in windows, why he can't install any other browser from any magazine CD and download Opera or any other software from internet ? Or its a must that people should use IE to download Opera ??

Also, I guess all download managers does not depend on IE, so he can't use any one of those to download Opera ? Or I am wrong on that ? Please enlighten me.

I have addressed that earlier
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75676&page=3#57

 

[iMav]

so who is stopping u from downloading what u want ...

i just bought a lappy while on my flight to chandigarh didnt carry any cds or dvds had to access internet chk my mail but hey i cant why - opera sued ms coz their browser isnt as widely used

o wait im on my flight want to watch my cousin's marriage ceremony on cd on my new laptop but wtf i cant MS cant bundle their media player in the laptop ....

great logic guys ....

 

[gxsaurav]

I still didn't get that part. If he can't see IE in windows, why he can't install any other browser from any magazine CD

He can do that, good luck hunting for a magzine DVD with latest opera.

and download Opera or any other software from internet ? Or its a must that people should use IE to download Opera ??

Din...sir tell me one thing, how will u open www.opera.com

Also, I guess all download managers does not depend on IE, so he can't use any one of those to download Opera ? Or I am wrong on that ? Please enlighten me.

Download manager? But where will the user get a download manager from???????? If MS bundles DM, then they will again get sued by Orbit, or Speedbit , now tell me....should MS bundle a 1000 page manual with Windows with link written to download opera like www.opera.com/setup.exe
?

 

[NucleusKore]

......but wtf i cant MS cant bundle their media player in the laptop ....

MS can bundle whatever they want provided they allow you to completely remove it from your system if you choose to do so.

 

[narangz]

@din- Errr.... You need a link to download from download managers & links keep changing with new versions. Now how can you download without the link to the setup file? Ofcourse you can use FTP if you dont wanna use IE. But hey! Windows is not only for Geeks!

Now lets come to CD/DVD thingy. You mean to say if a user wants to access internet he must find a magazine CD/DVD to install a browser? Well I am sorry, its not linux. People want out of the box experience if they are paying for a product.

 

[gxsaurav]

@din- Errr.... You need a link to download from download managers & links keep changing with new versions. Now how can you download without the link to the setup file? Ofcourse you can use FTP. But hey! Windows is not only for Geeks!

How will u know the FTP address *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif

Again, MS should really give a 1000 page manual with links to every software out there. Just give the user more headache & then when it doesn't work, let the user curse MS.

Now lets come to CD/DVD thingy. You mean to say if a user wants to access internet he must find a magazine CD/DVD to install a browser? Well I am sorry, its not linux. People want out of the box experience if they are paying for a product.

Best post of the day....*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/1.gif

 

[iMav]

hey but i want ie ... i dont want anything else i dont opera i dont like it i prefer ie ... so what should i do am i forced to use opera or should curse MS coz they did not bundle IE with their OS

 

[NucleusKore]

hey but i want ie ... i dont want anything else i dont opera i dont like it i prefer ie ... so what should i do am i forced to use opera or should curse MS coz they did not bundle IE with their OS

Answered here
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75676&page=4#74

 

[gxsaurav]

I get what Nucleascore wants, he wants Windows to work like Linux...well, here is teh thing



1) I paid Rs 5000 for Vista home premium, i want it to work out of the box...I don't want to work on it for 5 dyas to get it to do work by sitting on net & installing everything on it & configuring it. If I wanted to do that, I would have switched to Linux.



2) He wants Windows to come only with the kernel & something like Synaptic...or kernel & a big wizard which asks "Which Shell? "Which file browser? " Which Multimedia Engine?". After clicking on 300 such pages, Windows finally starts to download content from Microsoft servers or any other server. Means I have to wait for 5 hrs to watch the HD DVD porn I bought



3) Ok fine, I can bear with that....umm, so now we install in Windows. Oh wait...we can't...Windows is just the kernel, a kernel cannot download stuff from the net, we need some sort of HTML engine which is not there.....a file browser is not there either, where the hell do i enter the address FTP://Microsoft.com/Explorer



4) nVidia just sued MS cos MS bundles there own drivers with Windows instead of asking the user "Do u want to download & install nvidia driver which will take 30 mins to download & then manual configuration or do u want to use the existing bundled drivers & later on download nvidia drivers automatically from Windows update which will take 4 mins"

 

[narangz]

How will u know the FTP address *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif

LOL

 

[gxsaurav]

Answered here
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75676&page=4#74

How come that's the answer?

I m telling u dude, do this...

U r comparing Windows to Linux na, ok do one thing, go ahead & uninstall Konqurer from Kubuntu. Wht will it remove? Only the links....the KHTML engine will still be there.

Go ahead & remove amarok from KUbuntu, what will it remove? Amarok application but not the XINE engine that amarok uses.

Ok....go ahead & "try" to uninstall KHTML engine compleately from Kubuntu, let me know if u suceed

Go ahead & remove XINE engine compleately from Kubuntu, let me know if your OS stays in a usable state for multimedia playback....