Opera files a case against Microsoft
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Batistabomb
Deadman Walking
iMav said:i dont how many of u guys see Boston Legal on star world but apparently this wednesday's episode had william shatner - in show danny crane fighting something similar and he did a very simple demonstration ...
when ur no. 1 in something u have a big bulls eye imprinted on ur a$$ and every1 tries to aim at it same is the case with MS; it has a big bulls eye printed on its a$$ any1 who wants publicity aims at it
(in show he stripped to his underwear which had a bulls eye printed on the back)
and btw this is what opera actually means by the law suit: We cant beat u so we will sue uthats fair aint it
well said, this is true
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NucleusKore
TheSaint
naveen_reloaded said:
You're both fatheads. There are enough and more ways to download and install software in linux without a browser.
I pity your ignorance
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
NucleusKore said:
umm....we are talking about Windows here.
Windows is not Linux.
The key with the success of Windows is that things work fine even without internet connection. U can always get software from 3rd party sources like magzine & books etc.
If Microsoft bundles something like synaptic with Windows, then they again will be sued cos...
1) It point to Windows Market place by default *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/10.gif
2) Windows Comes bundled with Microsoft Application Search by default, due to which customars don't get to use Google Application Search or Opera application search*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif
Dude...talk something which makes sense.
din
Tribal Boy
Gettng diverted ..
If you meant the drivers - Most vendors make drivers for Win thinking only less people use Lin. Thats changing now and Lin automatically detect a lot of devices (like XP) than before and more vendors / community people are coming with drivers. They will be available in CDs etc, no doubt.
If you meant third party softwares, there are a lot of software coming in magazine CDs just like Win.
I guess you meant the Ubuntu CD may be ? Ubuntu DVD will do it for people who do not have a fast internet connection (just as an example).
And if you meant the OS updates, then its again same as Win - download updates as in Windows, no difference !
Not sure why we are discussing the bundling / monopoly / killing competition issues again ! They are discussed many times. And many courts around the world took correct decisions as well too. So why argue on that again ?
gx_saurav said:
If you meant the drivers - Most vendors make drivers for Win thinking only less people use Lin. Thats changing now and Lin automatically detect a lot of devices (like XP) than before and more vendors / community people are coming with drivers. They will be available in CDs etc, no doubt.
If you meant third party softwares, there are a lot of software coming in magazine CDs just like Win.
I guess you meant the Ubuntu CD may be ? Ubuntu DVD will do it for people who do not have a fast internet connection (just as an example).
And if you meant the OS updates, then its again same as Win - download updates as in Windows, no difference !
Not sure why we are discussing the bundling / monopoly / killing competition issues again ! They are discussed many times. And many courts around the world took correct decisions as well too. So why argue on that again ?
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alsiladka
Noobie Pro
For heavens sake! It is an Operating System!!
When a user buys an operating system, he expects it to atleast play music, surf the internet with it! Would you pay for an operating system which cannot even play music or browse the internet?
How many people have bought the Windows N Editions in EU, how many OEMs bundle N Editions with their computers? I had read a report sometime back that not a single copy of the N edition has been sold.
When a user buys an operating system, he expects it to atleast play music, surf the internet with it! Would you pay for an operating system which cannot even play music or browse the internet?
How many people have bought the Windows N Editions in EU, how many OEMs bundle N Editions with their computers? I had read a report sometime back that not a single copy of the N edition has been sold.
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
We are not talking about Linux here.
I was not talking about drivers,
Yup, but I hope u know about the sorry state of offline package management in Linux. Not every company makes a big 24 MB deb file like google does for picasa.
Ubuntu should be sued cos they bundle Firefox in Ubuntu because of which people don't get to use KDE Browser
They should be sued cos they give synaptic, due to which people don't get to use Adapt.
din said:
I was not talking about drivers,
Yup, but I hope u know about the sorry state of offline package management in Linux. Not every company makes a big 24 MB deb file like google does for picasa.
Ubuntu should be sued cos they bundle Firefox in Ubuntu because of which people don't get to use KDE Browser
They should be sued cos they give synaptic, due to which people don't get to use Adapt.
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NucleusKore
TheSaint
alsiladka said:
Yes, then they are obliged to give users a choice of browsers, media players and everything else. That is not an excuse of integrating it so much that it cannot be removed.
what kind of an arguement is that
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NucleusKore
TheSaint
gx_saurav said:Ubuntu should be sued cos they bundle Firefox in Ubuntu because of which people don't get to use KDE Browser
Yes, they bundle it, but you can uninstall it and install something else. It is not integrated into the OS. Can you uninstall Internet Explorer? Your comparison is not valid.
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NucleusKore
TheSaint
din said:
Yes, he is right if they bundle it as there would be no option to browse knowing that is a deficiency of the "superior" OS. The objection being raised here is that they lock it up with the OS. Why can't I download Firefox through IE and uninstall IE completely?
Sukhdeep Singh
Host4Cheap.org
NucleusKore said:
^ You can uninsall IE AFAIK
*img87.imageshack.us/img87/476/image1ah1.jpg
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
NucleusKore said:
Umm...When u start windows vista for the first time, you are given the Welcome center which clearly shows "Windows Market place". Click on it, & u can download any 3rd party browser from Windows market place....
*img110.imageshack.us/img110/7378/marketpi1.th.jpg
Oh wait...that opens a link in a "browser", but I forgot it will not be installed.*gigasmilies.googlepages.com/24.gif
How will MS give user choice to download another browser? Ok, I get it....they should ask the user "Which browser do u want to install? IE Firefox or Opera". Once clicked on opera, Windows will download & install it automatically. But all of a sudden there is some problem in Opera, something is not working, the customar calls MS tech support just to get the answer..."Opera is not made by MS, we cannot support it, plz contact opera"...result, customar cursing MS...cos support doesn't matter at that time when the customar wants to read his E-Mail ASAP.
Add/Remove Windows component in control panel has been there since...................Windows 2000 *gigasmilies.googlepages.com/25.gif
Go ahead, remove WMP, IE 7, Windows Mail...whatever u need from Vista. The IE engine will still be there for Windows as Windows help etc depends on it.
This has been told long back in the "How to make Windows better" thread, Microsoft cannot bundle 3rd party products in Windows DVD. It's not there product & responsibility.
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NucleusKore
TheSaint
Let me see, I'll reboot try and be back
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