New PC upgrade

[rapusa]

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run?
Ans: games: mostly RTS games like lotr ,SC-2 and darksider and combat games like tekken vs streatfighter, MMO games.
Playing HD contents (3D too).,
using VM (mostly one at a time).

2. What is your overall budget?
Ans: 20-25K for (processor + motherboard+ PSU + 4gb RAM and 5-7k for SSD(OS installation)

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: IDk , never tried.

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Linux mainly and windows7/8

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 1TB minimum

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: No. Have samsung SyncMaster PX2370 (full HD 1080p at 60 fps ).

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans:Monitor, HDD (segate baracuda 1TB), KB .mouse, GPU (geforce 9400 1 gb).

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Next week

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: With help of assembler.

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans:India . Open for online stuff.

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: Looking for a Processor with specs like these or One of these :
Intel: i5 2500/3570
AMD : fx 8350 (How bad is its noise issue ? requires more cooling ? Is it's 8 core more usefull in RTS games and linux ?)
Looking for mobo with USB 3.0 support .Will upgrade GPU latter.

 

[topgear]

FX-8350 @ 12.3k
Asus M5A97 R2.0 @ 6.5k
2x 4GB Corsair Value Ram @ 2.7k
Kingston SSDNow V100 64GB @ 3.5k

BTW, what about the PSu and Cabinet ??

 

[harshilsharma63]

I5 3570k (13000)
corsair cx500v2 (3500)
corsair value select 4 GB (1300)
msi h67ma e35 (4500)

total: 22300

ocz agility 3 sata 3 120 GB (7900)
dont buy 6 GB ssd's, get atleast 120 GB. As your budges is 7k, this ssd will be perfect for you (900 extra bucks of course). And get the cheaper ones with sata 2, it'll bottleneck the drive, get the sata 3 ones like this.

 

[rapusa]

Thanks for suggestions

FX-8350 @ 12.3k
Asus M5A97 R2.0 @ 6.5k
2x 4GB Corsair Value Ram @ 2.7k
Kingston SSDNow V100 64GB @ 3.5k

BTW, what about the PSu and Cabinet ??

Yes , I need PSU and cabinet(sorry forgot to mention it).
Can you also clarify following issues of fx 8350 ? :
Noisy / high power consumption / require more cooling .
Are these issues really bad or noticeably Bad ? I don't want to add extra cooling just for this processor.

 

[harshilsharma63]

Fx 8350 has a tdp of 125 W while intel i5 3570k has a tdp of 77 W; thats a difference of 48 W. Not only will the fx heat more, butt also consume more electricity. The stock cooler of fx 8350 is sufficient for running the chip at stock clock rate, but if you are planning to overclock, then do replace the cooler.

 

[topgear]

Thanks for suggestions

Yes , I need PSU and cabinet(sorry forgot to mention it).
Can you also clarify following issues of fx 8350 ? :
Noisy / high power consumption / require more cooling .
Are these issues really bad or noticeably Bad ? I don't want to add extra cooling just for this processor.

Intel SB/IB cpus stock coolers are so thin you may need to get a new cooler just to run a core i5/i7 at stock clock FX8350 consumes more power but the cooler is enough though and not noisy.

Anyway, Can you postpone the purchase of a SSD and 4GB ram to get a CrsairCX500v2 @ 3.5k and a CM Elite 310/311/344 cabby at around ~2k so that you can get the FX8350.

 

[rapusa]

Anyway, Can you postpone the purchase of a SSD and 4GB ram to get a CrsairCX500v2 @ 3.5k and a CM Elite 310/311/344 cabby at around ~2k so that you can get the FX8350.

yes I can skip SSD and extra 4GB RAM. If I pick fx 8350 then my system will be as follows :

FX-8350 @ 12.3k (125 w)
Asus M5A97 R2.0 @ 6.5k
4GB Corsair Value Ram @ 1.3k
CM Elite 344/311 plus 2k
CorsairCX500v2 @ 3.5k

old parts:
xfs geforce 9400gt 1 gb (300w+)
segate barracuda 1tb (10w)
samsung SyncMaster PX2370 (full HD 1080p at 60 fps )

so, is this PSU (CorsairCX500v2) is good enough to handle both fx 8350 and my old GPU ?
and can you suggest one more mobo as above items may go out of budget after tax @ local prices or I should not go below this mobo ?

the i5 3750k beats the FX8350 by a huge margin....

specially in games.

i5 may be better in many cases but not huge margin. And for most users both i5 3570k and fx 8350 gives almost same result. I5 looks best for Heavy gamers who want max setting.
In my case , most of games I play don't need either of these . But usually I play multiple online games at same time , where extra cores may be more useful.
i5 3570k don't have Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O while fx 8350 have it's amd Virtualization tech. idk much about this tech but its seems useful for VM(virtual machine) users like me.

Only thing I am worried about fx 8350 is its power consumption and heat issues.

For me both I5 3570k and fx 8350 are equal.

 

[Myth]

old parts:
xfs geforce 9400gt 1 gb (300w+)
.....
so, is this PSU (CorsairCX500v2) is good enough to handle both fx 8350 and my old GPU ?
and can you suggest one more mobo as above items may go out of budget after tax @ local prices or I should not go below this mobo ?

This the total power consumption of the system including the 9400gt.The 9400gt doesnt even require extra power cable to run. 500w is enough.

Only thing I am worried about fx 8350 is its power consumption and heat issues.
For me both I5 3570k and fx 8350 are equal.

Heat dissipation is present in all processors. Its not an amd thing.
Amd procs are just less power efficient.
If you consider the price, the 8350 is a good deal. The corresponding mobo is also cheaper. If you go for a similar intel config, expect around 20k for the proc + mobo.
Take the amd, OC it, have fun.
Performance wise, I5 3570k and fx 8350 are not equal. Each has their own advantages. For the intel rig, you have to spend more to exploit its features.

 

[skeletor]

Fx 8350 has a tdp of 125 W while intel i5 3570k has a tdp of 77 W; thats a difference of 48 W. Not only will the fx heat more, butt also consume more electricity. The stock cooler of fx 8350 is sufficient for running the chip at stock clock rate, but if you are planning to overclock, then do replace the cooler.

Heating can't be judged by the TDP alone, although it is a factor. What if the size of a chip is too small and there is insuffecient area of contact for proper heat flux to the cooler? That's what the case is with Ivy Bridge.

3rd gen/Ivy Bridge heats way more than FX-8350. FX-8350 infact runs cooler than 2nd gen/Sandy Bridge.

Your point about power cosumption is right. But around and over idle is where CPUs run most of the time. Difference at idle is hardly 20 watts. At full load in all cores, FX-8350 uses almost 80% more power - but then will also complete multithreaded tasks quickly than i5-3570K.

Even if I generalise that FX-8350 consumes 48w more than i5-3570K at every instant of time (which is a wrong generalisation), if I will run FX-8350 for 8 hours a day and each day of a year, I will only save one Large Domino's Veg-II Pizza. But in a real world scenario, a medium pizza. No garlic bread, no coke, no cheese burst and no pasta. Only a medium pizza in 1 year.

 

[topgear]

@ Op - take this as a reference for power consumption difference between FX8350 and i5 3570K.

Now Cx500v2 can provide 408W on +12V rail and if the cpu consumes around ~200W ( normal apps consumes less power than prime95 like apps which most review use ) you still have a decent headroom for gpu upgrade like HD7850/7870.

 

[Cilus]

Bulldozer and Piledriver consume more power than their Intel Brother's alright but they generate more heat!!!!!!!!!!! that's a completely wrong information. In fact both BD and PD (FX-8350 comes under this) run cooler than most of the Intel counter parts due to their efficient downclocking during idle time and for having a great cooler. I overclocked my FX-8150 to 4.85 GHz with the stock cooler and during 10 minutes of continuous CPU load, the Temperature never exceeds 68 Degree C. Also same for PileDriver, it never exceeded 66 degree C at 4.2 GHz with a 30 min continuous 100% load to all the cores while converting a BD Disk (Placed in HDD) to MKV file format using Handbrake.... just tested yesterday.

 

[topgear]

^^ juts two little questions : for 4.85 Ghz OC how much vcore you used and what was the ambient temp ?

 

[Cilus]

The voltage was around 1.45 V and the ambient temperature was Kolkata's temperateness on that day. We didn't use any Air Conditioned room.

 

[topgear]

thanks for the info and managing 1.45V with stock cooler at 4.85Ghz is no easy task .. but I'm just thinking around ~12-15c ambient temp ( 2/3 days ago ) @ 4.2 Ghz PD FX8350 reached 66C .. so how well the cooler will perform in hot seasons.

 

[Cilus]

You need to create a custom fan profile to rotate them at higher speed when the load is more than 60%. I have used the Asus AI Suite II to create a custom Fan profile which was letting the fan rotate at 6000 rpm+ whenever hitting 60% usage. That time temp was around 22-24 degree C. Also I haven't disabled any of the Power Saving modes like Cool & Quiet in BIOS. For better performance, I switched off Core Parking feature in Windows 7 to let all the Processor Cores to the maximum frequency. Because of these, the speed 4.85 GHz was enabled whenever the any loads were applied to the CPU and when the task is done, speed was instantly falling back to 4.2 GHz.
Another tweak is to run AMD Fusion all the time and selecting High Performance Mode from it. While doing some testing in BBSR, I found out the fact: When AMD Fusion is running at background, the Power Modes get applied in more optimized way. Using all these features, I have increased the performance. Obviously the performance is slightly lesser than a stable 4.8 GHz overclock with all the Power saving features turned off but it will let you reduce the power requirement and heat generation by greater margin.

 

[topgear]

^^ great - you always explain everything nicely with enough details and this should help Op decide which cpu to get.