Microsoft's “We Share Your Pain” Program

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shantanu

Technomancer
i think M$ provided the basic computer usage to US.. when we learn the first A in computer fiels we know that computer is Windows.. Even every PC today comes up with Windows Xp... If we say M$ products are very Expensive .. this is because we know that we can get it in 50 -150 bucks in the market.. then why to buy and take pain for 4000-6000 for Xp and 4000- 16000 or 18000 for Vista...

If we would not have P1rated softwares then it would be a compulsary to buy a Original windows.... but today the moral is buy p1rated ans say genuine and crack the software and give loss to the company.. and then say that NO M$ PRODUCTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE SO WE CANT BUY THEM THATS WHY WE GO FOR P1RATED

thats no reason to go for a p1rated software...

I think we should all buy genuine...
 

amitava82

MMO Addict
tarey_g said:
I am using vista rtm and it didn't hang/crash even a single time.

did u say u r using RTM..????

You know what? I'm very eagerly waiting for that day when by some means either by strong law (not they way its going in india) or technology, piracy will be stopped and you will be forced to buy a legal copy of OS. I wonder then you will be willing to pay $250 for OS for your $500 pc...
 

mehulved

18 Till I Die............
Re: Microsoft's “We Share Your Pain” Program

shantanu_webmaster said:
If we would not have P1rated softwares then it would be a compulsary to buy a Original windows.... but today the moral is buy p1rated ans say genuine and crack the software and give loss to the company.. and then say that NO M$ PRODUCTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE SO WE CANT BUY THEM THATS WHY WE GO FOR P1RATED
What loss are you talking about? Last I heard, sale of windows accounted to around 20 or so % of MS's income and if you excluded corporate users from it, it fell to 5%. And for a company that makes a 'unethical profit' of greater than 1000% and revenue of over $40billion that is so measly amount. Here's their annual report *www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar06/staticversion/10k_fr_fin.html
If you didn't know let me tell you there are a few of us commerce people out here. You can't give all this BS to us.
 

amitava82

MMO Addict
Thanks for the link.. OMG look at the Operating expenses and operating income.. i dont know any other company makes such huge ratio of profit...
 

shantanu

Technomancer
@tech_your_future .. So you wanna Prove that Piracy is good and should go on... If this is so then there is no point in saying that Piracy its a crime... W should all say .. that yeah make 1000 copies of vista and Xp and all and distribute them all over coz Microsoft is having profits... DO piracy until the company goes in loss...

Thats not the thing...


and I am not giving this all to You or US (coz i am also an indian only) ..

I am just saying that people say that that How can US and UK people teach us Meaning oF piracy ,, what they did 60 years ago was what

i think its just another excuse to pirate everyday softwares....

Those who dont like or cant buy original must not use windows... they should use the OSS i think thats made for them... Pirating and using windows and then saying that NO M$ cheats us and all is simply RUBBISH...

and AS PER sales : What you think all that sold in INDIA... i will fetch the records and will show you what SOLD in INDIA... i think it would be .5 % as per PIRACY RATES...

The WHOLE THING CONCLUDES THAT PIRACY ISNT THE ANSWER TO EXPENSIVE SOFTWARES
 

mediator

Technomancer
shantanu_webmaster said:
Pirating and using windows and then saying that NO M$ cheats us and all is simply RUBBISH.
And what if someone uses original windows products like office 2000,xp and windows xp and then saying "MS cheats us"?
I have been activating windows-xp on my machine only for the past 4 yrs. Now it says key not authentic or something like that on both windows xp and office xp. Mahn u dont even know how it feels when u have to use cracks to get ur own "original" product working!
R they hinting to buy the upgrade now?
 

shantanu

Technomancer
I know what you want to say !!! but that the license agreement that no one ever reads.. the software OEM can only be Activated for limited no. of times using that key... now you can call M$ and activate your product :

this is no.1800111100

+918040103000

and after pressing 1 for activation you can press 9 directly to talk to executive.. i think he will ask your product key at the end tell him your ORIGINAL product key and your windows will be activated...


i think you know the procedure of activating by phone
 

mediator

Technomancer
the software OEM can only be Activated for limited no. of times using that key
But wasn't that for activating on different machines?

And I know I can activate it by phone. But why shud I even bother to waste extra bucks in expensive calls like that everytime now? I know u'll justify it too somehow and that i shudn't be using cracks for that.
Thats y I feel now that people buying such thing shud "actually" read the agreement and terms!
 

shantanu

Technomancer
look !!! i said i understand your feeling.... and i wont justify anything.. coz you are correct... Dial the TOll FREE no. :D:D:D:D

joking but yes after purchasing the software we come to know that what it lacks and what it not...

but the thing isnt for that ...i ask you Do you think Piracy is good

thats the only thing i wanna know.. coz many cracked versions comes with heavily loaded no. of viruses and all types of SPYwares and all.. just that... a crack free envoirnment is what is needed...
 

casanova

The Frozen Nova
Thx for the link tech_your_future. If microsoft charges for their softwares, they even invest in it.
 

tarey_g

Hanging, since 2004..
Re: Microsoft's “We Share Your Pain” Program

amitava82 said:
did u say u r using RTM..????

You know what? I'm very eagerly waiting for that day when by some means either by strong law (not they way its going in india) or technology, piracy will be stopped and you will be forced to buy a legal copy of OS. I wonder then you will be willing to pay $250 for OS for your $500 pc...

Ya i am using it as many of the forum members are, do you expect a Indian citizen to buy a costly software without trying,unofficial 30 day trial. I think its ethical to do this much. And vista being a paid software has nothing to do with the stability of the OS, and stability is what i was talking abt.
You can never compare some free software with a paid ones, even some OS is available for 100$ ,you still have to pay.
 

mehulved

18 Till I Die............
Re: Microsoft's “We Share Your Pain” Program

shantanu_webmaster said:
@tech_your_future .. So you wanna Prove that Piracy is good and should go on... If this is so then there is no point in saying that Piracy its a crime... W should all say .. that yeah make 1000 copies of vista and Xp and all and distribute them all over coz Microsoft is having profits... DO piracy until the company goes in loss...
Let me explain it a bit further. I never said piracy is good or piracy should continue. What I am saying is piracy is in no way causing losses to MS. Otherwise why are they leinient on pirates?
As, I said in my previous posts, MS only makes 20% of it's income from sales of windows.
So, where does the rest 80% come from? It comes from services and hardware. So, non-software products makes a major chunk of MS's income.
Where does that demand for services and hardware come from? Naturally, it's us consumers.
What makes consumers choose a particular service or product? First is knowledge but the knowledge of end users as to technology that goes beyond those products/services is way too low, this is what all windows users are always shouting about - that the end user isn't supposed to know the working in too much details, it should just work.
OK, so if not knowledge then what makes consumer base their choices on? One is brand awareness and other is brand loyalty.
First is achieved by making windows available to the masses. But, many people cannot afford windows, so what do they do? They pirate. Now if you stop piracy those people will look for alternative OS. And today Mac and Linux are strong enough to pull down windows if those OS'es get a good customer base. So, you see MS let's piracy go on in their own interests.
Now coming to customer loyalty. How is that achieved? By vendor lock-ins. You create an alternative standard, which is incompatible with the existing standards. Since, windows is more popular and has created a brand awareness among masses, many people will rather buy MS products than those of the competitors. Now, that the competitor's products don't work with MS's products, people with not enough knowledge will tend to believe that the alternatives are technologically inferior since they aren't compatible with their current product and causes inconvinience of learning anew and doing all work from scratch.

So, you see, piracy is in no way causing loss to MS as you claim. On the other hand it's helping MS have higher profits and bigger customer base.
I am in no way supporting piracy. In fact the reason I gave up using windows in the first place is cos I didn't want to use pirated products. It was later on that I learnt about things with linux could teach me but not windows.
 

shantanu

Technomancer
Its nice to see your thought on Original software... But the thing i wante to say is ,, that piracy isnt helping M$ as in the past year i.e 2006 in india 1200 illegal software counters were found and among them 800 were fined... if you take a look.. As you say 20 % is coming from Operating system part.. a larger amount can be earned as profit if all the pirated users buy original software.. ISNT it ....


I think you agree to this...

thats all.. but your thinking about original software is worth praising.. :D
 

praka123

left this forum longback
Infact OSS users also hates piracy.going with t_y_f post:
*www.newsforge.com/os/03/05/02/108224.shtml?tid=9
 

mehulved

18 Till I Die............
See out of that 20%, 75% is coming from corporate users, that leaves overall income of just a measly 5% from home users. Big corporations will never pirate cos their reputation is at stake. It's only sole proprietor's and home users who are amongst the pirates. So, even if the piracy is stopped it won't add anything more than 2-3% of their income. But, by loosing those 2-3% they are gaining a huge business.

I am not opposing the thought that piracy is wrong, piracy is certainly a wrong thing. What I am opposing is that you said, MS is facing losses due to piracy, which is certainly untrue. Cause piracy is adding to brand building of MS. MS can very well ignore it as an expenditure for advertisement. Well it's perfectly plausible for a company like MS to have advertismet budget bigger than 2-3% of it's income. How else would be see such a gala promotion of Vista and Zune?
 
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