Microsoft admits failure on Vista patches

[faraaz]

That's the reality?? Then Zeeshan bhai has gone nuts...

 

[iMav]

That's the reality?? Then Zeeshan bhai has gone nuts...

no that wasnt the reality ... that was a reply to "but I tried Vista, and honestly I thought XP was better than that piece of $hit..."

coming back to the reality part actually neither eddie nor praka have ever told us what reality they used talk about tehy always said reality is different use linux then u will know the reality .... but when confronted with the question as to what reality they just ignored the post

 

[vish786]

no that wasnt the reality ... that was a reply to "but I tried Vista, and honestly I thought XP was better than that piece of $hit..."

coming back to the reality part actually neither eddie nor praka have ever told us what reality they used talk about tehy always said reality is different use linux then u will know the reality .... but when confronted with the question as to what reality they just ignored the post

may be they said use linux ones... then u will know the reality.

 

[faraaz]

Oh...now my brain is itching.

As for my opinion of reality, I think its more a case of finding a closer fit to your expectations of an OS while using Linux rather than Windows.

See, I don't think Linux is the be-all and end-all solution. I would never ask my mom to use Linux. She doesn't care two bits about the OSS movement, if she can't play spider, freecell and solitaire. But my buddy who is in engineering right now LOVED it and he's currently using Sabayon too...

So if you are gifted cricket player trying to make it in tennis and then you give cricket a try...the feeling of good fit that you get...that is what I get from Linux.

 

[gxsaurav]

Use whatever you want, just don't rant about your product being the best, cos it is not without its flaws.

And wish me best of luck for tomorrow's exam

 

[QwertyManiac]

That's the reality?? Then Zeeshan bhai has gone nuts...

Yes he is! His face must've gone purple angry looking at the Google vs. Vista search thing, prompting him to post this.

And the funniest part in that thread is, Gx doesn't know what Google really wants, a total replacement of Vista's search if the user wishes so. All he's talking about is API API API to override Archiving.

 

[gxsaurav]

^^^ tell me harsh. Why should the search function be compleately changed in Vista? Using the API available google can easily replace the Windows inbuilt search in Vista, they can disable & surprass the Windows indexing service & run there own indexing service. All google has to do is some research & developement which they are not.

 

[QwertyManiac]

That Google can do, and about why it must be completely replaced is a user's desire. If he finds Google Desktop Search much more worthy than the Vista's default (In near future, if not now), he must be able to replace the entire thing in order to boost his own productivity.

But no, Microsoft will always claim that they are one of the oldest in searching software and they refuse to budge. Why must I, being an example user, always start the software to search when there is a way I can ask it to integrate into the whole OS? I mean, its okay Vista has its search all the way and everywhere in Explorer, but why did it lock it there? That's bad.

And oh, do show me the place where there shows a possibility of changing the boxes of the explorer windows and so on, as you say is very easy.

 

[faraaz]

Who cares about what search option is there in the computer, as long as it works?? Microsoft is using its monopoly to place itself as the leader in the field, even though their products suck. Well, big deal...its not like this is the first time they are doing it. And besides, if people want to have a fair and competitive computing environment, Winblows is the last place to look for it!

 

[QwertyManiac]

Well I don't know about you, but having a Google Search (Both desktop and online) integrated to my OS seems a very pleasant experience to me. Best of both worlds

 

[gxsaurav]

That Google can do, and about why it must be completely replaced is a user's desire. If he finds Google Desktop Search much more worthy than the Vista's default (In near future, if not now), he must be able to replace the entire thing in order to boost his own productivity.

Nobody is stopping any user from using any search tool, be it GDS or Yahoo Search on Desktop. Just follow the Windows API, now is it wrong to say to follow the Windows API? If you don't make software the way windows want you to make software then sorry, you are bringing instability to the system.

But no, Microsoft will always claim that they are one of the oldest in searching software and they refuse to budge. Why must I, being an example user, always start the software to search when there is a way I can ask it to integrate into the whole OS? I mean, its okay Vista has its search all the way and everywhere in Explorer, but why did it lock it there? That's bad.

Oldest, yes they are. Windows is a product of MS & they have all the rights to include whatever they want. Does anyone stops Apple when they integrate Safari in Mac? Shouldn't that also be anti-competitive cos Apple is using its monopoly in the Mac market due to which users don't get to use firefox or Omniweb by default, neither does Mac OS X says "Which browser would u like to chose" nor does safari lets u use any search engine other then Google or Yahoo.

Where did MS locked it? Have you seen the available API at MSDN. You can make your own application & integrate the search box in it.

And besides, if people want to have a fair and competitive computing environment, Winblows is the last place to look for it!

Microsoft does not stops u from installing whatever you want. If you want to see google ads in Explorer well then sure go ahead & install GDS. The platform is open & anyone can make any application of Windows using any programming language like delphi or C or C++ or C# or JAVA or Python or whatever.

 

[QwertyManiac]

Where did MS locked it? Have you seen the available API at MSDN. You can make your own application & integrate the search box in it.

I'd like to see it, as I already asked. And I don't want a seperate application, I want it in Explorer. Google's more smarter than you to integrate ads into the programs. If you search, then yes, it does show unobtrusive ads, not unless.

 

[faraaz]

@GX: Dude, you and I both know that's not what I meant!

 

[gxsaurav]

I'd like to see it, as I already asked. And I don't want a seperate application, I want it in Explorer.

Guess what, Windows Explorer & Start bar already have inbuilt search.

If Google follows the Windows Search API they can compleately replace the existing search in Vista with there own GDS. All they have to do is to give a call to the indexing service to use google's index database instead of Windows index database. Now after this when you search Explorer will not use the Windows search index but instead it will use GDS Search Index.

The meaning of Search box integrateable in any application is that suppose you make QwertyAmp (sorry couldn't think of something else ) with Search box integrated then from the app itself you can search the whole computer for some song or video.

 

[QwertyManiac]

I know they do, but if I can get Google Desktop to search Online as well as Offline through Explorer, it'd be awesome and not just Desktop

And yeah, I can understand what you mean by a search-box .. I didn't ask for an explanation there.

 

[kalpik]

Guess what, Windows Explorer & Start bar already have inbuilt search.

If Google follows the Windows Search API they can compleately replace the existing search in Vista with there own GDS. All they have to do is to give a call to the indexing service to use google's index database instead of Windows index database. Now after this when you search Explorer will not use the Windows search index but instead it will use GDS Search Index.

The meaning of Search box integrateable in any application is that suppose you make QwertyAmp (sorry couldn't think of something else ) with Search box integrated then from the app itself you can search the whole computer for some song or video.

The question here is.. Will microsoft play sport with that? Or would they accuse google of "reverse engineering"?

 

[gxsaurav]

The question here is.. Will microsoft play sport with that? Or would they accuse google of "reverse engineering"?

If Google uses the documented methods for Windows which do not make Windows unstable, then Microsoft has no problems. GDS will run on top of Windows without interfering with the core services.

If Google uses hacks to do this thing which leads to instability, for which in the end Microsoft will be blamed instead of Google, then yes, Microsoft has all the rights to spank Google & sue them.

I know they do, but if I can get Google Desktop to search Online as well as Offline through Explorer, it'd be awesome and not just Desktop

You can do that right now using Start++ or Instant search in Vista

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

I don't mind using XP now and then, but that's only when I feel like playing Neverwinter Nights, NFS MW, NFS Carbon and STALKER. Trust me, if I could get these and future game titles to work on Linux I wouldn't bother.

this is the reality

PPS: Why you taking it so personally man?

arre yaar it's nothin personal , everything's fair in "Win vs Lin vs Mac threads" , outside thread's it's like nothin happened .

GnoKii works fine here, so does KMobileTools. I can do all that Nokia PC suite does

Harsh , that's what i meant , i didn't say linux couldn't do that , i said you have to figure out how to do that . u figured that a long time ago , faraaz didn't

 

[iMav]

now ms is being bashed for embedding tis own feature in its own product ... whats happened to ur senses ppl ... bashing some thing is 1 thing but talking ridiculous stuff is another ... Vista is Ms's product they have the right to put what ever they want to as long as it is not violating any patents or laws

now have u ever heard of coke going to court saying that pepsi isnt allowing them to put coke in their pepsi's bottles

its MS's product they have the right to embed what ever they want to as long as it s not illegal ... the search engine in vista is developed by MS they are using it .... google is a competitor its simple business why should giv my competitor the ability to use my product and make profit out of it ...its simply stupid ...

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

now ms is being bashed for embedding tis own feature in its own product ... whats happened to ur senses ppl ... bashing some thing is 1 thing but talking ridiculous stuff is another ... Vista is Ms's product they have the right to put what ever they want to as long as it is not violating any patents or laws

Exactly