Mac vs Windows

[gxsaurav]

A Mac can do everything a Windows machine can and looks good while doing it.

For example, I play HD movies on it without any issues. I use Adobe Creative Suite 3 and I could use Final Cut Pro for HD video editing and compositing if I wanted to.

Windows i already doing all this with better hardware compatibility & more choices & customisation option. Why buy a Mac then when you can even run it they way u like.

About running Mac OS X on Wintel - well, you can see how well iMav and gx_saurav are faring. And it wasn't an easy task installing it. gx_saurav himself said that he has installed the OS seven times.

Since now I know, I told to a few other members in this forum & all are using it properly on 1st install itself

But only Avid is a match for FCP when it comes to features. But FCP has a far better user interface.

Again, you have no idea & have never used any things other then FCP i guess. You have no idea what u r talking about, You have no idea what Direct to RAM encoding is in Adobe Premiere Pro, or What layer based editing in After effect is , or what direct 3d surface manipulation & editing in combustion is.

The only thing you care for is the UI. Newsflash arya, a good UI is useless without a solid back end, something u don't care for.

please tell me what do you miss on Mac that you were able to do in Windows.. I am into a lot of Online Stock Trading/Investing, Excel work, Word, Adobe Photoshop, Music. Will I be able to continue doing all these seamlessly .

Gaming, upgrading the hardware, customization of the OS, better hardware compatibility is what u will miss on Mac.

Online trading etc you can do on Mac too, unless the website is IE only. In Windows you can use IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari all of them. In Mac there is no IE.

Excel, Word are also there for Mac OS

Photoshop is there too

for Music, you can only play mp3 & mp4 out of the box. You cannot play WMA at all, unless you have Windows Media Player 9 for Mac installed, that too not guaranteed.

You cannot play VCD

You cannot Mount or burn multisession DVD

Mac OS X Finder has no cut option for files

Dock will not group similar windows minimised.

Check those threads mentioned above, you will come know what u will miss in Mac.

?? My main issues with Windows are Viruses, Spyware, Ads, system hanging...etc etc.

Upgrade to Windows Vista & use ad muncher, thats it.

 

[praka123]

btwn a news mac boys(and aspirants) will like:
Apple Mac Sales Grow Faster Than Windows PCs In Consumer Market
*www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=200000146
when leopard will be released -more market share!

 

[aryayush]

Aryayush.. please tell me what do you miss on Mac that you were able to do in Windows.. I am into a lot of Online Stock Trading/Investing, Excel work, Word, Adobe Photoshop, Music. Will I be able to continue doing all these seamlessly ?? My main issues with Windows are Viruses, Spyware, Ads, system hanging...etc etc..

Nothing. I miss nothing. And neither will you.

Online Stock Trading/Investing - If it is something related to the Internet, you can obviously do it on both Mac and Windows. The added advantage a Mac gives you is that you don't have to worry about any sort of malware - viruses, spyware, adware, etc.

Excel, Word, PowerPoint - Microsoft Office for Mac lets you do everything you can do on Microsoft Office for Windows. There is also Apple's iWork suite which is compatible with Office formats but it does not have a spreadsheet application.

Adobe Photoshop - You have the whole Adobe Creative Suite 3 for Mac too with the exact same set of features.

Music - Of course. iTunes will let you do what you want. All Macs also come with Front Row and a remote control, which is basically a simplified version of Windows Media Centre.

Like I've said previous, Mac OS X does not suffer from the malware issue. I've been using it for a year straight without any security software installed and it has never contracted a virus. Of course it hasn't, because there isn't even a single virus for Mac OS X in the wild. Read the page on security in the Fast Track. I think I've done a reasonably good job of explaining Mac OS X's security.

Experienced Mac users tell me that when a Mac crashes, it has some good effect for showing it too. Sounds cool but I haven't seen it yet in a year of usage. In other words, Mac OS X is extremely stable and almost never crashes. It also never slows down, something I deeply appreciate. My Mac, a MacBook Pro, has been continuously on for 164 days now and it is working as if I've just booted into it right now. Believe me, the speed and responsiveness is simply mind blowing. You never need to shut down a Mac.

Like I said before, there is only one problem with Macs. Desktop Macs, apart from the Mac Pro, do not offer any option of upgrading the hardware (apart from the RAM and hard disk) and Mac laptops heat up a little more than normal. But the heating is not really a very serious issue. If I had to spend another 1.5 lac on a notebook today, it would undoubtedly be a MacBook Pro.

BTW, avoid anything gx_saurav or iMav say. They've never even used Macs.

And Mac OS X plays VCDs and DVDs out of the box without any issues. It also reads multi-session DVDs fine enough.

But yes, the Finder does not allow you to cut files with the keyboard. You can do it with the mouse though. It is such a tiny issue that I would be highly surprised if someone chose not to buy a Mac because of this.

Mac OS X runs the IE browser just fine but you won't need to because you can also run Opera for Mac and set it to mask itself as Internet Explorer. I access the DataOne portal that way.

 

[shantanu]

hey common man arya.. we all know by the thousand threads on MAC and windows that what MAC can do and what windows.. so just leave the idea that mac is in anyway better then windows.. GX has unbinded the truth behind MAC.. i think you always forget threads you start on your OWN..

 

[aryayush]

Mac OS X also has a whole bunch of browsers to choose from - Safari (the best one), OmniWeb, Shiira, Firefox, Camino and Opera. These are the prominent ones.

Yeah, I forgot this person. Don't listen to shantanu either, who is an employee of Microsoft.

 

[shantanu]

Excuse me dude.. who are you to decide that who should listen to whom..why do i always feel that you start burning as soon as i post anything.. i am smeeling something.. oh and i just read that you are the proud author of fast track to Apple... so guys dont listen to arya as he is... (well i dont want to say this) coz i aint burning... hey buddy! its just some OS and you are Burning you blood and reducing your haemoglobin for that,, too bad..

 

[gxsaurav]

BTW, avoid anything gx_saurav or iMav say. They've never even used Macs.

Correction : gxsaurav is using Mac long before u even came to know about it.

And Mac OS X plays VCDs and DVDs out of the box without any issues.

You need to install 3rd party VLC player to play VCD.

It also reads multi-session DVDs fine enough.

It doesn't mounts multisession DVDs (checked on a real Mac) neither it allows you to burn a Multisession DVD

But yes, the Finder does not allow you to cut files with the keyboard. You can do it with the mouse though.

There is no cut option in the Edit Window of finder

Mac OS X runs the IE browser just fine

Mac OS X tiger has no Internet Explorer 6/7

Mac OS X also has a whole bunch of browsers to choose from - Safari (the best one), OmniWeb, Shiira, Firefox, Camino and Opera. These are the prominent ones.

Safari, OmniWeb, Shirra = Webkit engine of Apple

Firefox, Camino = Gecko engine of Mozilla. Camino cannot use Firefox extension

Opear = There own engine.

IE = not available.

Yeah, I forgot this person. Don't listen to shantanu either, who is an employee of Microsoft.

What a logic . You really are on crack today

 

[aryayush]

I told you this before and this is exactly what happened:

Do not be influenced by what the world says. Let your brother or your uncle who is an IT engineer say whatever they want. They have never used a Mac. You may have a friend who everyone says is good at computers and technology. He isn't. He is good at Windows. In India, people buy things based on other people's recommendations, others who themselves have very little idea. Don't make that mistake. People on this forum itself advised me not to switch to a Mac. In retrospect and with the benefit of hindsight, I can assuredly tell you that the best decision I ever made was not listening to them.

Don't listen to them. Don't listen to me. Make your own decision. That way, if you regret your purchase later, you won't hold it against anyone.

For me, the decision is quite straightforward. Do I want to try Mac OS X? Yes. Do I want to make sure I can run Windows in case something goes wrong and I don't quite like Mac OS X? Yes. Is there a machine that lets me do this? Yes, indeed. Of course, once you purchase it you'll realise that all your inhibitions about Mac OS X no longer hold true and you will definitely prefer it to Windows any given day. "Once you go Mac, you never go back." Choose wisely (and feel free to voice your doubts).

 

[gxsaurav]

All Macs also come with Front Row and a remote control, which is basically a simplified version of Windows Media Centre.

Mac has very bad TV Tuner support & no out of the box support for any TV tuner.

I told you this before and this is exactly what happened:

Don't listen to them. Don't listen to me. Make your own decision. That way, if you regret your purchase later, you won't hold it against anyone.

3rd party advice is always good. Learn from the experience of me & Mistakes of Arya about Mac OS X

 

[aryayush]

Correction : gxsaurav is using Mac long before u even came to know about it.

Yeah, sure! You can fool this newcomer, not me.

You need to install 3rd party VLC player to play VCD.

QuickTime Player plays them fine enough, right out of the box.

It doesn't mounts multisession DVDs (checked on a real Mac) neither it allows you to burn a Multisession DVD

You yourself suggested the application that allows you to burn multisession DVDs on a Mac and it reads them just fine. I own a real Mac and am therefore in a better position to comment on this than you are.

There is no cut option in the Edit Window of finder

There is but it is disabled. This proves how much you know about Mac OS X.
You can how ever move files from one folder to the other with the mouse.

@threadstarter,
When you move a file over a folder in Mac OS X, the folder springs open automatically and you can move further into the hierarchy. So dragging and dropping stuff around comes naturally to a Mac user, because it is fully supported.

Mac OS X tiger has no Internet Explorer 6/7

Does Vista ship with Safari by default? No, it does not. Same here.
But you can install both the Mac version and the Windows version of Internet Explorer on Mac OS X.

Safari, OmniWeb, Shirra = Webkit engine of Apple

The scorching fast Webkit engine of Apple. So, your point is?

Firefox, Camino = Gecko engine of Mozilla. Camino cannot use Firefox extension

But had a native, much better user interface. And there is Firefox for those who want the extensions. Again, the point is?

Opear = There own engine.

You knew this was coming by now. What is the bloody point of mentioning this!!

IE = not available.

It is.

Oh, and if someone switches to a Mac and insists on using Internet Explorer as a regular browser, I can only describe that person as stupid, no matter who he/she is.

 

[gxsaurav]

Yeah, sure! You can fool this newcomer, not me.

Ask your mentor & other senior members.

You yourself suggested the application that allows you to burn multisession DVDs on a Mac

3rd party app.

and it reads them just fine. I own a real Mac and am therefore in a better position to comment on this than you are.

I am sending u my Heroes DVD burned using Nero 7 lite edition. If you can read that let me know. It doesn't work on a real Mac here & shows the first sesstion only.

There is but it is disabled.

You need to learn the meaning of words first & how they are being said.

But you can install both the Mac version and the Windows version of Internet Explorer on Mac OS X.

You can only Install Internet Explorer 5 on Mac OS X.

You cannot install IE 7 of Windows Vista/XP on Mac. Crossover doesn't work with it.

The scorching fast Webkit engine of Apple.

Questionable, according to apple only they are fast.

I should have made it more specific. Internet Explorer 7 is not available for Mac OS X. Only IE 5 is available which doesn't support the latest in web technologies such as AJAX

 

[aryayush]

Like I said, "if someone switches to a Mac and insists on using Internet Explorer as a regular browser, I can only describe that person as stupid, no matter who he/she is."

 

[praka123]

IE = not available.

What is IEs4Linux?

IEs4Linux is the simpler way to have Microsoft Internet Explorer running on Linux (or any OS running Wine).
No clicks needed. No boring setup processes. No Wine complications. Just one easy script and you'll get three IE versions to test your Sites. And it's free and open source.

*www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page

Does IEs 4 Linux Work with Mac OSX


Yes, it's possible with Intel-based Macs running OSX 10.4+
There are several steps you need to take in order to get WINE working prior to installing ies4linux.
Requirements:
fink
fink install wine
darwinports
port install cabextract #you need version 1.2 for locale support (fink's is older)
port install wget

Make sure your path to cabextract is using the /opt/local/bin path if you installed the fink version first (/sw/bin).
export PATH="$PATH:/opt/local/bin:/sw/bin";
You also will need X11.app (from the Mac OSX CD) installed to run WINE via X11. From what I could tell, the ONLY way to get X11.app is off the CD -- I could not find it on apple.com anywhere.
Once WINE is installed, the standard instructions for installing ies4linux should work. In order to start the ie6 binary, first startup an X11 session which will open a terminal, then just run the command (ie: ~/bin/ie6).
I have not tested with IE7 yet, as I could not find the beta page referenced in the FAQ.
From my understanding WINE will not run on PPC platforms, only intel-based chips, although you might have success with darwine for PPC.

*www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Does_IEs_4_Linux_Work_with_Mac_OSX

 

[aryayush]

@harmads

Till date, you compared two products according to the hardware they had. You would take one notebook from HP and the other from Dell and then choose the one that gave you better hardware at a lower cost. The reason: Both run Windows XP or Vista and only the hardware is different.

However, you cannot use the same sort of judgement when comparing a Mac with a PC. Both run different operating systems. Macs also come with iLife and Comic Life installed, software that you would have to pay for if you bought them with a PC. You are also spared the cost of buying Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm or AVG products and have them running all the time, eating away at your system resources. You don't have to buy additional software to syncronise your phone, mount disc images, have a capable dictionary, font management application, read and edit Microsoft Word documents, create encrypted disc images, manage passwords and bank numbers, etc. Everything is there by default, built right into the operating system. The system also does not come loaded with bloatware, train software that does not serve any purpose and just slows the system down to a crawl. The first thing you'll have to do when you buy a new notebook is reinstall the operating system. Not on a Mac.

And can you put a specific price to events such as losing your documents, photos and videos due to nasty malware. Isn't it better to hop onto the Mac bandwagon and live a carefree life? You can actually take CDs from your friends that have viruses on them and insert them into your Mac. Copy the useful stuff and throw out the CD. Viruses do not affect Macs even if you try to get it infected.

Think logically. Don't just compare the hardware specifications. The software is what you will actively use. Since it is a Mac you are buying, from a company that symbolises the integration of hardware and software, you can be sure that your software will work without any problems on that hardware. It is very deeply integrated with and optimised for the hardware.

Get a Mac.

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Thats nice to hear about arya, goobi and mail2and. Well done guys !

I think you can even run OS X on Wintel system. If i m not wrong both gx_saurav and iMav are doing that.
Even if i had too much money I would buy a top class Windows desktop/laptop.
Ofcourse Macs are good too minus the games and varied softwares. Plus u get a special status in the society (thats what 'others' think; I don't ! ).
so if u are not into gaming and do basic stuff on computers then buy a MAC.

Hey , i was the one who did that First

Ofcourse at the nearest Authorised Apple Reseller

 

[aryayush]

Yeah, (dis)credit for that goes entirely to Zeeshan Quireshi.

 

[gxsaurav]

Macs also come with iLife and Comic Life installed, software that you would have to pay for if you bought them with a PC

You are also spared the cost of buying Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm or AVG products and have them running all the time, eating away at your system resources.

With Vista, this is usually not the case. Default is secure enough, & you can use various free applications if u want to secure.

You don't have to buy additional software to syncronise your phone,

All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.

mount disc images,

Daemon Tools is free

font management

Various free font viewers

read and edit Microsoft Word documents,

You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.

create encrypted disc images,

Bitlocker drive encryption, InfraRecorder

manage passwords and bank numbers,

Keypass, Free.

Everything is there by default, built right into the operating system.

If something is not there which u want, it must be available for free.

The system also does not come loaded with bloatware, train software that does not serve any purpose and just slows the system down to a crawl.

You can always ask the OEM technician to remove them

The first thing you'll have to do when you buy a new notebook is reinstall the operating system.

Not necessarly required.

And can you put a specific price to events such as losing your documents, photos and videos due to nasty malware.

No malware deletes something.

Isn't it better to hop onto the Mac bandwagon and live a carefree life?

Hardware incompability, lack of the software U want.

Get a Mac.

Dikha di na salesman ship

Arya, stop spreading lies

 

[Zeeshan Quireshi]

Yeah, (dis)credit for that goes entirely to Zeeshan Quireshi.

can poudly Advertise that

 

[aryayush]

With Vista, this is usually not the case. Default is secure enough, & you can use various free applications if u want to secure.


All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.


Daemon Tools is free


Various free font viewers


You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.


Bitlocker drive encryption, InfraRecorder


Keypass, Free.

If something is not there which u want, it must be available for free.

This is what OS X prevents you from. You get most of whatever you need by default.

All phone syncing software such as Nokia PC Suite or SE PC Suite or MyPhoneExplorer are free.

But they don't do the best job, do they? For example, Nokia PC suite does not syncronise with Windows Contacts.
Plus, you need a different suite for different phones. And it is nowhere near as convenient as clicking on a button in the menu bar and hitting 'Sync'.

You cannot do that on a Mac or PC without MS office.

This from a person who claims to have been using Macs a long time before I'd even known about them. LOL!
TextEdit can read, edit and save Word documents.

You can always ask the OEM technician to remove them

Yeah, sure. Why should you have to!
And this is pure lying anyway. My brother did ask him to remove them and they showed him the 'Control Panel' icon in the Start menu and told him to go to it, then remove the applications from the 'Add/Remove applications'. And there were 64 pre-installed items.
Even re-installing Windows is not easy because they do not give you any CD/DVDs but that restore partition. And making discs out of that partition is no easy job. My brother (who is elder to me) wasn't able to do it himself and I had to do it for him. (This is what I hate. Even after buying a Mac, I can never rid myself of Windows.)

Not necessarly required.

Oh really! I hadn't even told him to do it. He insisted. "Kya kachra hai ye sab! Apne ko PowerDVD kyon chahiye? Windows Media Player mein DVD nahin chalta hai kya? Tu please reinstall kar de na."
And this from a person who is not very tech savvy. People like me, who have some idea about computers and stuff, would always make sure they reinstall Windows when they buy an OEM computer.

Only recently another one of my brothers, who is not very tech savvy even though he's in BIT, Mesra, bought a new HP laptop. Same story, only this one had Vista.

No malware deletes something.

Oh, really? I won't even comment on this one. I guess malware just sets your computer to play Hanumaan Chaalisa every time you boot into it.

 

[gxsaurav]

TextEdit can read, edit and save Word documents.

Nope, only the text part, & TextEdit screws the layout & formatting.

Even re-installing Windows is not easy because they do not give you any CD/DVDs but that restore partition

You can always ask the OEM for a CD/DVD of the OS.

And making discs out of that partition is no easy job

fU***...how lame & ignorent can u get . Its so simple with nero or Roxia (usual OEM bundles)

Oh really! I hadn't even told him to do it. He insisted. "Kya kachra hai ye sab! Apne ko PowerDVD kyon chahiye? Windows Media Player mein DVD nahin chalta hai kya? Tu please reinstall kar de na."
And this from a person who is not very tech savvy. People like me, who have some idea about computers and stuff, would always make sure they reinstall Windows when they buy an OEM computer.

Actually it is the exect opposite. Did you tried playing a DVD in Windows Media player, even with powerDVD installed? or were u using Windows XP which u r comparing to tiger here.

Oh, really? I won't even comment on this one. I guess malware just sets your computer to play Hanumaan Chaalisa every time you boot into it.

Do you know what malware does?