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Is Global Warming a Hoax?

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  1. Rahim

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    ClimateGate - Climate center's server hacked revealing documents and emails

    Britain’s Climate Research Unit, University of East Anglia, suffered a data breach in recent days when a hacker apparently broke into their system and made away with thousands of emails and documents. The stolen data was then posted to a Russian server and has quickly made the rounds among climate skeptics. The documents within the archive, if proven to be authentic, would at best be embarrassing for many prominent climate researchers and at worst, damning.

    He told Britain’s Investigate magazine's TGIF Edition "It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails."

    The file that has been making the rounds was initially brought to light by the website The Air Vent. The 61mb file contains thousands of documents and emails. As the archive was just discovered within the last 24 hours, its authenticity has not been determined and as such readers should cast a skeptical eye on the contents. It should also be noted that it appears the emails were illegally obtained by whoever originally posted them.

    At least one person that was included in some of the correspondence, Steve McIntyre of the website Climate Audit, verified the authenticity of at least some of the messages. McIntyre said, “Every email that I’ve examined so far looks genuine. There are a few emails of mine that are 100% genuine. It is really quite breathtaking.”

    The contents of the archive contain documents and email correspondence from a veritable who’s who in climate science. Among those included in the emails are Phil Jones, Keith Briffa, his assistant, Michael Mann of Penn State, Malcolm Hughes at the University of Arizona, Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, James Hansen of NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies and others.

    The emails contain an array of discussions including what appear to be concerted efforts to withhold data. Just as troubling is conversations that allude to potentially manipulating climate data to “hide the decline” of temperatures seen in the last decade.

    Some of the excerpts of emails within the archives (edited for brevity, emphasis added):

    Update, 10:30am – Since the original publication of this article, the story is gaining steam and now the BBC is reporting on it. They report that a spokesman for the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU), "We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites.”

    Analysis of the emails and documents in the archives continues. We must stress that the authenticity has not been proven however there have been no denials of such by the climate center. Some of the more recent revelations include:

    Wired reports that Kevin Trenberth from NCAR “acknowledged the e-mail is genuine.”

    Nature reports quotes Michael Mann of Pennsylvania State University as saying, "I'm not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained e-mails."

    It would appear at this point that there is little doubt that the emails are authentic. If they were not, the principle players would certainly have said so by now.

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  2. Anorion

    Anorion Sith Lord Staff Member Admin

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    ^lol yeah, nice to see soemthing about this show up.
    I'm just of the opinion that humans can never really change the climate, that it is a force beyond our control and comprehension, and that there are periods when the planet is warm and when it is cool

    When you are blaming farting cows in Australia and wheat fields in India, but ignoring all industrial pollutant reduction protocols yourself, there is a trend that not too many can overlook.

    Also, a lot of jobs to be lost if everyone stopped believing in environmentalism and climate change
     
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    Rahim

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    ^YAh!! There has been too much iffy going on to trust these "intellectuals".
     
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    Global warming is a nice way of looting people. Carbon tax etc will squeeze the hell out of mango people.

    I think India should not take this BS when 70% pollution is caused by developed countries. We are still a bunch of "thode mein gujara" type people and we should not be imposed with more taxes. India must not act as a sacrificial lamb. Let the West cut down their life style of gas guzzling SUVs.
     
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    Rahim

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    IF there is a mess, then its created by Developed countries; but now they want the developing and 3rd world countries to pay or I should put, is contribute to a World Fund, which will be used for giving out loans.

    USA is talking all about need to curb the carbon-content but dont want to implement on their own country and companies, rather as USA has been doing is lecturing others.

    Sau chuhe khaakar, Billi chali Hajj ko
     
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    Exactly my views. :thumbs:

    I would recommend you guys read State of Fear by Michael Crichton for more about this. The story is fiction, but all the sources and facts cited are non-fiction. I changed my outlook on global warming after reading that book.
     
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    Same here dude, same here....

    That book is just awesome and eye opener.
    No, it does not ask (and we are also not asking) about believing it blindly, but it sure helps question what is being fed to us by media.

    I've already quoted the points made by Crichton in some threads here, would quote again for u guys here.
     
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    read last few chapters of 'Super Freakonomics' there is some good info on Geo Engineering which offers diff views on this global warming topic

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    How can we believe on books which written long time ago at that time they don't even known that our earth is round and about environment. It just a little guess.
     
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    What I am baffled by is the fact that in our education system we are fed with this Global Warming BS in every year science textbooks and then it continues in Engg text books too. Probably its same in other countries too.

    Only if we are introduced to the other side too like Solar flare phenomenon etc. But then we get to know about it thru the Internet onlee and everyone know the plight of Internet here.
     
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    Super Freakonomics? Would like to read that. Freakonomics was interesting.

    Basically I think it's a scam to keep the underdeveloped world underdeveloped only. As development means using technology that makes the world go warm.
     
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    They are making our land an experimentation ground so that they can know what are the perils of each new "green" technology before they use it themselves. Plus, they will make sure we have to import the necessary technologies/components required to implement it from them and thus its two birds killed with merely a fake gas filled rumour stone.
     
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    I disagree. Global warming is not a hoax. If it were a hoax, all major governments would not have recognized it. Governments around the world, including china, are making efforts to curb the emissions of greenhouse gases.

    the below link is about china's carbon emission targets:

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/china-unveils-carbon-emissions-targets-20091126-jukh.html

    It is not right for India to duck responsibility. If we are an under-developed nation, it is only our fault. A lot of other south asian countries (singapore etc...) were very similar to us when they got independence, but they got ahead. how?

    success and excuses don't go together.

    global warming will only affect us and other animals, but not our planet. Earth will bounce back. Earth has faced many catastrophes, but with time, all wounds heal. our species may die, we may push other species to extinction. but new ones will come around, with time. its evolution.

    india is a big contributor to greenhouse gases. the fact that we are exploiting forest area only aggravates the problem. fewer trees=reduced capability to handle CO2.
     
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    State of Fear by Michael Crichton . .That will answer all your doubts AND clear the air of this media created hypocrisy.

    TBH, if it means saving the environment, greener futures or cleaner air to breathe, I wouldn't mind if the media continues to play the same story of hysteria and eventually, get the world to clean up their act :D
     
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    @nix, yes, read "State of Fear"
    FYI..some facts (authors note) from the book

     
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    @nix: It's called "the greenhouse effect for a reason". Plants live on co2, so the more the co2, the better for plants. The last time there was a lot of co2 in the atmosphere, I think it was in the late Jurrasic period, but am not sure, the rain forests sprouted around the world.
    There is very little scientific evidence that points at a man made global warming. Little scientific evidence of worldwide warming at all.
    Think about it, everythign from UV-protective contact lenses to "green" and low power consumption hardware is priced at a premium.
     
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    Money making move :p
     
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    This thread is approved by Al Gore...NOT.
     
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    An Inconvenient Truth is hogwash. :boink: him.
     
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    not just hog wash these are very famous politicians and scientists supporting this propaganda
    and many people believes it without questioning because of this reason

    it has to do much more than just making money through carbon tax and other sh1t
     

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