Intel's Next Desktop Launch Details Revealed

[Pathik]

wen r amd's 45nm core proccys releasing???

 

[darklord]

wen r amd's 45nm core proccys releasing???

Not anytime sooner.K10 will debut with 65nm for sure.Later they shift to 45nm.

 

[kirangp]

I guess the Anandtech link proves your statement WRONG.

Well i am telling again...this cannot be concluded but just have a look at tomshardware core 2 duo review & ur "reliable" anandtech review & compare the operating temperatures...And for God's sake dont give reasons like website not opening or not heard of tomshardware
*www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page8.html

No its not

Yes it is..hehe

Lol i guess hands on experience is better than reading articles.....

ya fine but still you really dont know what really is the difference between windsor and brisbane..u better have a look at this website
*www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=2&articleid=922

Hmmm looks like you know a whole lot more,good for you.Looks like you have problem understanding english, do you know what a die shrink means ? READ my post carefully and then reply back.
Since you seem to know sooo much,care to explain what are these so called 'Little bit changes here n there ' ????

I think you dont know anything except that "die shrink" funda...I know what it means...It reduces the chip size from 90nm to 45nm so that more number of chips can be built from a 300nm wafer....it reduces power consumption...big deal...Intel has gone to this technology in June 2006 & the review I gave you was done at that time..As I told you before these Brisbane chips are not the Core 2 Duo competitiors...AMD has just migrated to this technology so as not to lose market share...And their big surprise will only come by Q3 2007 and the "little bit changes here n there" you can look in the previous link i gave you

Finally your link opened for me.Which site is that ? never heard of it. :S

ya fine you have not heard doesnt mean that the site has published wrong results

ROFL, i had given the link so you could go through the entire article.God knows what you thought

haha I should be asking that same question to you..I have a feeling that you didnt even see the website also

Oooohhh so now YOUR site is more RELIABLE than Anandtech.....RRRIIGHHHT !

I dont go by the misconception that "a webpage not opening in a browser for the first time makes the website unreliable"

 

[Ankur Gupta]

Here is some more piece of news...

Two new quad-core Xeon models and price cuts in Q3'07

Before AMD is able to launch its quad-core processors, Intel will aggressively cut prices of quad-core desktop processors. Intel and AMD’s price wars are not just affecting desktop products, however. The price wars continue with server and workstation products as well. Intel’s latest roadmap reveals two new Xeon processors and aggressive quad-core price cuts in Q3’07.

The Intel Xeon X5300-series receives a speed bump to 3.0 GHz in the form of the new quad-core Xeon DP X5365. It will operate on a 1333 MHz front-side-bus with 8MB of L2 cache like the other products in the quad-core Xeon DP lineup. The new quad-core Xeon DP X5365 will launch at the price of $1,172 per processor in 1,000 unit quantities.

Intel expects to cut prices of existing quad-core Xeon DP processors in July 2007 as well. The previous flagship quad-core Xeon DP X5355 drops down to $744 from its current $1172 price in July. The other two 1333 MHz front-side-bus endowed Xeon DP E5355 and E5335 will cost $455 and $316 per processor, in 1,000 unit quantities after the July 2007 price cuts. Intel’s two quad-core Xeon DP processors with 1066 MHz front-side buses, models E5320 and E5310, will drop to $256 and $209, respectively.

Source

For more details on the prices and the Xeon processors refer to the source link...

 

[Josan]

thanks!!!!!!!!!!
__________
ok

 

[darklord]

Well i am telling again...this cannot be concluded but just have a look at tomshardware core 2 duo review & ur "reliable" anandtech review & compare the operating temperatures...And for God's sake dont give reasons like website not opening or not heard of tomshardware
*www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/..._64/page8.html

Err...werent we comparing Intel's 65nm based C2D Vs. AMD's 65nm based A64 ??? Where did Windsor based FX62 come in the picture ? Toms is using Asus Probe,everyone knows how reliable Asus Probe can be.Wait a sec,you wouldnt believe me anyways so forget it.

Yes it is..hehe

If you say so....sigh

ya fine but still you really dont know what really is the difference between windsor and brisbane..u better have a look at this website
*www.hothardware.com/viewartic...&articleid=922

seriously,i donno **** about it,i am a retard.happy ?

I think you don't know anything except that "die shrink" funda...I know what it means...It reduces the chip size from 90nm to 45nm so that more number of chips can be built from a 300nm wafer....it reduces power consumption...big deal...Intel has gone to this technology in June 2006 & the review I gave you was done at that time..As I told you before these Brisbane chips are not the Core 2 Duo competitors...AMD has just migrated to this technology so as not to lose market share...And their big surprise will only come by Q3 2007 and the "little bit changes here n there" you can look in the previous link i gave you

reduces chips SIZE !!!! woaaaah you rock dude ! Awesome !
300nm wafer ! man you make me laugh like anything......lol
Migrated to 65nm to maintain market share ? I thought that was to reduce manufacturing costs and hence offer chips for cheap.65nm was needed for K10 anyways.Maintaining TDP levels in the safe region for a Quad Core Chip would have been a PITA.So thats where the migration to 65nm comes in.AM i right ? Damn.....i am wrong..i thought i got that one...aarrgghhhh......lol
and that BIG Surprise is called K10 which was earlier called K8L.Its AMD's new architecture.They will debut the server chip first,codenamed 'Barcelona' and then come Desktop chips. their FX series will sport 'Agena FX' core which will be Socket F/ Quad FX boards.Then come the normal line up.Normal desktop Quad Core will sport 'Agena' core which will be Socket AM2+ and will be backward compatible with current socket AM2 boards.Socket AM2+ boards will sport HT 3.0 compared to HT1.0 on current AM2 boards.
Need any more info ?

ya fine you have not heard doesn't mean that the site has published wrong results

never said that but doesn't prove those results to be TRUE either.

 

[Josan]

Intel Wow!!!!

 

[Ankur Gupta]

And another interesting news...
AMD rises to #8 among worlds top chip companies..
And on top of that their revenues increased...thanls to ATI acquisition

 

[kirangp]

Err...werent we comparing Intel's 65nm based C2D Vs. AMD's 65nm based A64 ??? Where did Windsor based FX62 come in the picture ? Toms is using Asus Probe,everyone knows how reliable Asus Probe can be.Wait a sec,you wouldnt believe me anyways so forget it.

Dude I think u dont understand English.....I had asked yu to compare ANandtech's Brisbane's operating temperature vs Tom's hardware Core 2 DUo operating temperature...And u r comparing core 2 duo with windsor(as given in Toms) ...ROFL....ya ya I knew that u just keep on making excuses...first website not proper,now Asus Probe not proper & after sometime COre 2 duo itself not proper...haha

reduces chips SIZE !!!! woaaaah you rock dude ! Awesome !
300nm wafer ! man you make me laugh like anything......lol
Migrated to 65nm to maintain market share ? I thought that was to reduce manufacturing costs and hence offer chips for cheap.65nm was needed for K10 anyways.Maintaining TDP levels in the safe region for a Quad Core Chip would have been a PITA.So thats where the migration to 65nm comes in.AM i right ? Damn.....i am wrong..i thought i got that one...aarrgghhhh......

Dude go & learn what die shrink is....u r telling they are cutting costs...do u know how????By reducing chip sizes..When they were making 90nm chips they could make less out of 300 mm wafer.After accepting 65nm technology they can make more numbers thus they are saving costs and having reduced prices....Prices just dont reduce out of thin air...And yes this brisbane processor offers nothin new except low temperature & minor tit bits & yes...this came out so that AMD's market share doesnt drop
and thanx for the info of K10...didnt know about that

and last time instead of 300mm i had typed 300nm...typo u see..

 

[darklord]

Dude I think u dont understand English----> I know,i don't understand English

I had asked you to compare ANandtech's Brisbane's operating temperature vs Tom's hardware Core 2 DUo operating temperature-----> Why would one do that ? Shouldn't there be direct comparison between the both ? why use one site for AMD and another one for C2D ? Doesn't seem right.The tomshardware link you gave compares FX62 with C2D,FX62 is Windsor based,what do you expect me to think other than comparing C2D with Windsor ?
Also didn't i give you a link from Anandtech where they have compared C2D Vs. Brisbane ? Doesn't that feel more correct rather than comparing two different sites for AMD and Intel ? I mean both sites used different test procedures and test systems.SO how can you even compare them ?Doesn't feel right to me.If you feel its right,so be it.I have nothing more to say.

ROFL....ya ya I knew that u just keep on making excuses...first website not proper,now Asus Probe not proper & after sometime COre 2 duo itself not proper...haha------> Excuses ???? you on crack or something ? I have just pointed out my opinions.Where do excuses come in the middle ? Its a well known fact that Asus probe shows weird values,its not accurate.Its ok for voltages n fan speed but when there are tools which can read from the CPU's thermal diode and are much accurate if not perfect,why to use Asus Probe which uses the diode in the CPU socket to read temperatures of the cpu rather than the cpu internal diode itself :S But then you don't believe me so its ok

Dude go & learn what die shrink is....u r telling they are cutting costs...do u know how????By reducing chip sizes..When they were making 90nm chips they could make less out of 300 mm wafer.After accepting 65nm technology they can make more numbers thus they are saving costs and having reduced prices....Prices just don't reduce out of thin air.----> I had thought you had better common sense.reducing cost means,churning out more cores/wafer,that goes without saying.Seriously do you even know what '65','90'nm stand for ? never mind.....

And yes this brisbane processor offers nothing new except low temperature & minor tit bits-----> When did i ever claim that brisbane had architectural innovations ? I always said its just a 'Die Shrink' WHICH means its the same as Windsor just that its made using 65nm fabrication technology.

this came out so that AMD's market share doesn't drop---> Nope, never fabrication technology doesn't come up in few months time.It takes years to develop it,refine it,get better yields,ramp up production,make modifications to existing fabs[factories] to newer fabrication technology.Its not at all an easy job.AMD has been facing sever problems with their transition to 65nm.Do you even know,they have been working on 65nm even before they released AM2 ?
Considering all these factors,i wouldn't say they would have imagined the launch of C2D would throw them in such deep **** and hence start working on it few years ago,what do you think ?
Also i think they wouldn't have even released 65 nm cos their 90nm is giving excellent yields and is working in full swing.The newly launched 6000+ clocked at 3GHz easily clocking 3.4GHz on air on stock cooler is proof of that.6000+ is based on Windsor core,which is 90nm as you know.
The only reason for releasing 65nm is to save some money cos they churn out more chips/wafer and also to test the 65nm chips and iron out the issues and make it less buggy and almost ready for K10 launch so that K10 doesn't face problems on launch.Thats just my opinion though

Hope you get my point here and not argue with me just for heck of it.....

 

[kirangp]

I am not arguing dude...anywayz we both are almost correct in our own ways.......Peace out!!!!!

 

[darklord]

I am not arguing dude...anywayz we both are almost correct in our own ways.......Peace out!!!!!

Lol.....cool

 

[JAK]

I am not arguing dude...anywayz we both are almost correct in our own ways.......Peace out!!!!!

Hmm...
Thats a wise statement...
Darky's logic is more on the correct side while urs is well "almost" on the correct side.

 

[kirangp]

^^...lolz I always make wise statements...hehe

 

[sabret00the]

read all the posts and I guess guys we are a lot off track from wat the author of this thread had tried to post.......now it seems like a amd / intel debate......i guess we were supposed to discuss intel's forth coming proc range and critically analyse the same.......

 

[darklord]

Now that you have reminded of we going offtopic , lets get down to some serious INTEL related talk.

Well frankly,i am keen on seeing what Yorkfield and Penryn are going to be.Intel pulled the same trick with Kentsfield as it did with Smithfield.
Kentsfield is nothing but 2 Conroe cores glued together to put it simply,same as Smithfield being 2 Prescotts glued together.Maybe there isnt anything wrong with it but i personally would like to see a 'Native' Quad Core,which will generate much lesser heat i guess.
Maybe thats the reason why AMD's Barcelona,Agena are delayed cos they are going to be native quad core.
Penryn and Yorkfield i guess would be native,it remains to be seen what is the final outcome.

 

[kirangp]

Yes Yorkfield will use be a native quad core processor & the best thing is that it will be using 45 nm technology which will allow for lower power consumptions as well as higher clock speed upto 3.46 Ghz-3.73 Ghz & due to the 45 nm technology Intel can pack an unheard size of L2 Cache of 12 MB(2x6 MB).It even supports Penryn New Instructions or SSE4 Instruction set and with this comes Intel's bearlake chipset with DDR3 1333 Mhz support,PCI Express 2 ..And by the looks here Intel has got a headstart,AMD really has to outperform if they are ever going to take back the crown


The first AMD Barcelona processors are codenamed Altair & they have the specs as follows
It will use 65nm technology & uses dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each core and an additional 2MB L3 cache for the 4 cores to share...IT uses HT 3.0 & has a clock speed of 2.7-2.9 Ghz which looks below par when compared to Intel's Yorkshire...But till the processors are released we cant comment much

 

[darklord]

Yes Yorkfield will use be a native quad core processor & the best thing is that it will be using 45 nm technology which will allow for lower power consumptions as well as higher clock speed upto 3.46 Ghz-3.73 Ghz & due to the 45 nm technology Intel can pack an unheard size of L2 Cache of 12 MB(2x6 MB).It even supports Penryn New Instructions or SSE4 Instruction set and with this comes Intel's bearlake chipset with DDR3 1333 Mhz support,PCI Express 2 ..And by the looks here Intel has got a headstart,AMD really has to outperform if they are ever going to take back the crown


The first AMD Barcelona processors are codenamed Altair & they have the specs as follows
It will use 65nm technology & uses dedicated 512KB L2 cache for each core and an additional 2MB L3 cache for the 4 cores to share...IT uses HT 3.0 & has a clock speed of 2.7-2.9 Ghz which looks below par when compared to Intel's Yorkshire...But till the processors are released we cant comment much

Some corrections

1] AMD's new architecture is called 'K10'
2] Opteron Quad Core CPUs will be codenamed 'Barcelona' on Socket F [LGA 1207], FX Series will be called 'AgenaFX' on Socket F [LGA 1207] Quad FX Mobos only , Desktop Quad Core will be called 'Agena' on Socket AM2+ [940Pin,same as AM2 but with Chipset supporting HT 3.0]
First to debut will be Opteron and the rumoured clocks @ launch are around 2.3GHz,later on AMD will bump it to 2.7-2.9GHz

 

[kirangp]

Opteron is for Servers I guess & Agena was previously called Altair...hehe

 

[rajasekharan]

ok,..so i guess the WAR will start once again....

who said , gigahertz war is over???????

well well, its always nice to see some competition , it ultimately benefits us.