How Microsoft lost the office file format battle

[Cyrus_the_virus]

I did not demand any explanation for any of your acts. Keep them with yourself. I now know how you can behave with me in future and I am not willing to trust your 'goodness' now. Every professional webhost, knows where to draw the line between personal and business matters.

Explanation? to whom? to you? Only if explanations could make you understand, your post would have never appeared in the first place. I had reservations about giving you hosting even if you asked long back after your angry burst out in the Q&A section and undermining the business itself and spreading crap even before you knew anything about it, so, I wouldn't have given you even if you asked, and ofcourse, no host would be willing to give hosting to a rookie hacker I can't afford to let other customers get affected.

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If you got anything else to say, please keep it off this thread, you have already messed it up quite well..

^^Your hosting rules do not apply here.

I know, that's why I'm not suspending anybody's anything

 

[iMav]

Forget it guys. It's the wish of the company, I chose the host, I guess I will have to pay the price.

Back to the topic.

 

[CadCrazy]

O MS never badmouths open-source communities, whereas some OSS users just live to badmouth MS.

Dude what you call this MS goodmouthing Opensource. You living your entire life in dark with your eyes Closed. Open Up your eyes.

Welcome to elite club of hardcore close eyed guys

PS no offense meant

 

[FilledVoid]

I'm amazed at some of the threads on this forum. Being a nice person as I am I'm just going to nitpick at some of the lines within this discussion.

First of all how did the word Linux come in this thread in the first place. This thread is about a document format valid on all platforms . Although I do find that the selection of OOXML as a standard is kind of ironic considering that the "war of the formats" started for the selection of an "Open Standard" not to mention that it hasnt been fully deployable as of writing if I'm correct. Now that is done Id like to verify somethings further .

And about OpenOffice, it is not comparable to MS office. MS office has a great deal of features.

I've been working with OpenOffice quite a while. Theres probably a 5-20% difference in the features (bold for emphasis on the word features). Furthermore, we technically aren't supposed to be comparing Office suites right but rather the format?

I fully agree with you. The problem is that linux CHOOSES not to stay mainstream, because if it went mainstream, it would have n00b users asking stupid questions. Linux currently has mostly power users, unlike Windows and Mac which cater to mainstream n00bs.(no offence meant to anyone)

Now as for the above quote I find this rather insulting . Lets speak Logic. I'm going to be nice and consider that Linux , Apple cater to 25% of the worlds computer users. You just called 75% of the computer users mainstream noobs? If you believe Linux is not supposed to be mainstream why go to the trouble of posting help in any forum or IRC ? If I'm correct you use Ubuntu as your OS? Look up what the meaning of Ubuntu is.

Hopefully people will see what I'm talking about and if you are willing to spend some money get yourself a copy of this months Linux for You it has a very good article about ODF and OOXML.

 

[iMav]

Ok guys I think it would be appropriate for me to apologize to cyrus & praka123 for the words I used, I should not have used the words I chose to & deeply regret the same.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Ok guys I think it would be appropriate for me to apologize to cyrus & praka123 for the words I used, I should not have used the words I chose to & deeply regret the same.

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[MetalheadGautham]

Now as for the above quote I find this rather insulting . Lets speak Logic. I'm going to be nice and consider that Linux , Apple cater to 25% of the worlds computer users. You just called 75% of the computer users mainstream noobs? If you believe Linux is not supposed to be mainstream why go to the trouble of posting help in any forum or IRC ? If I'm correct you use Ubuntu as your OS? Look up what the meaning of Ubuntu is.

I am sorry if you got it wrong, but I said windows has much of its user base in people who are NOT hardcore users or power users, i.e. mainstream n00bs. People like the typist next door, the clerk in the shop down the lane, etc fall in this catogary.

And by n00b, I mean a person who is not willing to get his fundamentals right and wants to use something before understanding it properly. Many windows users have no idea whats the difference between a kernel and an OS.

There definitely exist |337 windows users too, lots of them infact. But that doesn´t change the fact that windows n00bs are plenty, and outnumber windows 1337s.

To use linux, you need to be, and I MEAN need to be, well aquinted with some basic internals. Otherwise you will have one hell of a time using it. And now, canonical comes up with this linux for humans philosophy, which is absolutely right, if and only if people remain human and decide to learn. But most people use an OS as if it doesn exist, i.e, they use the computer for wordprocessing, not the OS.

Ofcourse, Linus Torvaldis himself said that an OS must be as hidden from the user as possible. But its my humble openion that one needs to be aware of whats around him. I tend to disagree on such issues. I beleive using words from a language without knowing them is a sin, and the same applies to Operating Systems.

I know kids who imitate others and use Fu*k without even knowing its meaning.

I don´t want linux to end up like that. I prefer people being aware of what they are using.

Finally, I think if linux becomes mainstream, its time for me to pack up and switch to BSD or one of those BSD-Linux unition projects like Gentoo.

 

[Faun]

the flame wars will never end:
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[mail2and]

Ya, it does have shortcomings, but thats is no reason to badmouth it as 'Winblows' or 'M$aft' or whatever.........For me.........Windows Rocks!

Freedom of speech. It's a good thing. Imagine being not able to complain about your college, if they're treating you badly or if you're not satisfied with their teaching.

One thing which I don't like about aggressive OSS supporters is that they leave no opportunity to badmouth Microsoft. Every blog post posts hatred and cons of Microsoft. It looks very petty.

Generalizing, aren't we?

And about OpenOffice, it is not comparable to MS office. MS office has a great deal of features.

Individual perspective. It's for everyone to decide what's good for themselves. I normally do not use Microsoft products, but since I'll be working in an industry which makes heavy use of Excel, I'll have to use it. It depends on each person's situation. For home use i.e. writing notes, essays etc., I don't see how any office suite won't suffice.

Remember, every average user, unaware of open source, has a great subconscious feeling of respect to the software he uses, which happens to be a Microsoft product in majority of the cases. He is very happy and satisfied.

This is where he develops a defensive attitude towards the fanboys and so whatever these fanboys say will again be subconsciously 'rejected' by the average user.

I know a lot of people who couldn't care less about what open source is, and who use Excel eighteen hours a day; but who constantly crib about things that could have been better about it. The day people stop complaining about how things could/should be better would be the day innovation would end. Remember you're seeing graphics on your computer because someone wasn't satisfied with text-only displays.

I am a proud, happy and satisfied Windows user. I have nothing against open source. The key reason to being satisfied with a software is that you should know that softwares too have their limitations. You should not expect the world from softwares.

Bingo!

And as far as abusing me is considered, your hosting account is going to be suspended for 2 days. I hope you read the terms&conditions about verbal abuse.:

I agree with Kalpik here. I would strongly recommend you to keep personal matters away from business matters. But, that's purely my personal opinion.

 

[gary4gar]

And as far as abusing me is considered, your hosting account is going to be suspended for 2 days. I hope you read the terms&conditions about verbal abuse.



Wake up!

Buddy, I think you should keep Business and professional matters separated .
just my humble suggestion but in the end of day, its all up to you

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Buddy, I think you should keep Business and professional matters separated . just my humble suggestion but in the end of day, its all up to you

I agree with Kalpik here. I would strongly recommend you to keep personal matters away from business matters. But, that's purely my personal opinion.

^^Your hosting rules do not apply here.

Already Answered:

I know, that's why I'm not suspending anybody's anything

Although technically it is right, because the hosting offers were exclusive to this forum and he bought it from here itself and he was very well aware that he was hosting with me. Why would I want to host a guy who abuses me on one side knowing it's me and at the same time want's me to host his site? Whether that be abusing the business or personal. So, it's not like he didn't know who he was indirectly calling names. However, I have given him a chance to redeem himself since he's already apologised.

It would be appreciated, if everyone could follow the previous post:

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[victor_rambo]

Already Answered:



Although technically it is right, because the hosting offers were exclusive to this forum and he bought it from here itself and he was very well aware that he was hosting with me. Why would I want to host a guy who abuses me on one side knowing it's me and at the same time want's me to host his site? Whether that be abusing the business or personal. So, it's not like he didn't know who he was indirectly calling names. However, I have given him a chance to redeem himself since he's already apologised.

It would be appreciated, if everyone could follow the previous post:

Because he 'paid' you to host his site. You ain't doing a favour or nobel deed by hosting his site. If you are not paid to 'bear his abuses', then you can rightfully rebuke back with specific reference to that without affecting his hosting.

Once again, if you want to do business, then do it, else we have tons of company like outpower hosting. We don't need blackmailer host.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Because he 'paid' you to host his site. You ain't doing a favour or nobel deed by hosting his site. If you are not paid to 'bear his abuses', then you can rightfully rebuke back with specific reference to that without affecting his hosting.

Well, you said it, he paid for the hosting and not for leavage of abuse. Paying for a service doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and you can abuse the provider in any form. Abusing the provider personally knowing he/she is the provider is no different from abusing the service provided.

Business relationships are made between 2 people and when the character of one of them is in question, then that deal is at jeopardy. So, please save the talk about professional and personal. They are interconnected. Easy to say when you look from the outside, but when you start doing your own business, you'll find how relevant personal abuses can be in the deterioration of a business relationship.

However, since he's apologied already, it would be greatly appreciated if you guys could stick to the topic and not pull this up anymore.

 

[victor_rambo]

Well, you said it, he paid for the hosting and not for leavage of abuse. Paying for a service doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and you can abuse the provider in any form. Abusing the provider personally knowing he/she is the provider is no different from abusing the service provided.

Business relationships are made between 2 people and when the character of one of them is in question, then that deal is at jeopardy. So, please save the talk about professional and personal. They are interconnected. Easy to say when you look from the outside, but when you start doing your own business, you'll find how relevant personal abuses can be in the deterioration of a business relationship.

However, since he's apologied already, it would be greatly appreciated if you guys could stick to the topic and not pull this up anymore.

So that means that once you take the money from the customer, then you will hold him up at ransom for disagreeing with you ........

Dude, you should know what thing to take seriously and what not. Looks like you are business to boost your ego by holding your customers to ransom.

And btw, this is not in between you two, its now open to the whole world. You should have used the PM system if you wanted to keep it in between you two only.

Again, you are such a unprofessional hoster, OMG I can't believe I was going to make the mistake of buying from you! My good luck

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

So that means that once you take the money from the customer, then you will hold him up at ransom for disagreeing with you ........

No point repeating the same thing to you. It's not about disagreement, it's about abuse. As far as you're concerned, because you're such an OSS hater, you will always think that I was blackmailing or holding up for ransom because he disagreed with OSS Get a life, the post is clear enough.

And btw, this is not in between you two, its now open to the whole world. You should have used the PM system if you wanted to keep it in between you two only.

Yeah, it's out in the open so that everyone who's come across is will have a better sense of judgement than you have to realize that it's about abuse and not disagreement

Again, you are such a unprofessional hoster, OMG I can't believe I was going to make the mistake of buying from you! My good luck

Like your opinion was any different from day one even before you knew a crap about the service. And like I said before, my luck that I didn't take your orders, else all my other customers would have been affected

Good riddence...

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[victor_rambo]

No point repeating the same thing to you. It's not about disagreement, it's about abuse. As far as you're concerned, because you're such an OSS hater, you will always think that I was blackmailing or holding up for ransom because he disagreed with OSS Get a life, the post is clear enough.



Yeah, it's out in the open so that everyone who's come across is will have a better sense of judgement than you have to realize that it's about abuse and not disagreement


Like your opinion was any different from day one even before you knew a crap about the service. And like I said before, my luck that I didn't take your orders, else all my other customers would have been affected

Good riddence...

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And you thought i would ever choose an noob hoster like you.........go die outpower hosting before you kill your customers!

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

And you thought i would ever choose an noob hoster like you.........go die outpower hosting before you kill your customers!

Reported for taking thread offtopic even after repeated requests.

 

[Faun]

lol...really an admin need to be a patient one.

 

[victor_rambo]

Reported for taking thread offtopic even after repeated requests.

Lol! you start the whole and then want to stop it when things get out of your control!

Anywayz, let the offtopic posts be deleted.

 

[kumarmohit]

Really like the flamewars not adding inches thing! ROTFL

Now I do not want to kick the flame war again. so I would not be posting any counter replies.

Well, you said it, he paid for the hosting and not for leavage of abuse. Paying for a service doesn't mean you can do whatever you want and you can abuse the provider in any form. Abusing the provider personally knowing he/she is the provider is no different from abusing the service provided.

Now put in perpective, the engineer's who slog their a$$e$ at Microsoft before you criticize their work. Going by the same logic, you must also be open to same treatment coz you took money from ppl for hosting. If their product is not perfect, nor is your service! It is also prone to problems