How Microsoft lost the office file format battle

[iMav]

I wonder releasing the NTFS patch for Linux was acceptance of defeat by Linux

 

[victor_rambo]

One thing which I don't like about aggressive OSS supporters is that they leave no opportunity to badmouth Microsoft. Every blog post posts hatred and cons of Microsoft. It looks very petty. I often feel that some bloggers blog not to propagate open source but to vent out their anger at Microsoft. This looks so petty that no average person will consider open source seriously. For them, these OSS guys are 'just a bunch of frustrated fanboys'. MS never badmouths open-source communities, whereas some OSS users just live to badmouth MS.


And about OpenOffice, it is not comparable to MS office. MS office has a great deal of features.

Has anyone seen the way Praka decorates his posts with 'M$haft' or 'winblows'

Remember, every average user, unaware of open source, has a great subconscious feeling of respect to the software he uses, which happens to be a Microsoft product in majority of the cases. He is very happy and satisfied. And one day, he logs on to a forum on to find some people saying that 'Windows is crap'. He will never accept that 'Windows is crap' because Windows has been satisfying him. This is where he develops a defensive attitude towards the fanboys and so whatever these fanboys say will again be subconsciously 'rejected' by the average user. Along with, it also spoils the attitude of that user towards the open source communities. He perceives that open source communities are just a bunch of negative brain washers. There goes down the drain all your effort to propagate open source.

If a linux fanboy comes to me and gives me some Linux OS on a CD/DVD and says 'Windows is crap, try this Linux', I will break that CD/DVD into 2 pieces.

I am a proud, happy and satisfied Windows user. I have nothing against open source. The key reason to being satisfied with a software is that you should know that softwares too have their limitations. You should not expect the world from softwares.

If you guys want to really propagate open source, propagate it on basis of its own merit. If you try to propagate it on basis of Microsoft's demerit, you will face this question without fail: "Will open source products do everything that this paid software doesn't do?".

Saying things like "How Windows lost to Linux or OSS", "Why windows is crap", etc is not going to propel you upwards, it will only push you downwards.

 

[chandru.in]

I wonder releasing the NTFS patch for Linux was acceptance of defeat by Linux

No it was not. Because NTFS just became an addition not that ext series was stopped from development.

But in MS case, they have not only implemented ODF but have also postponed their own so called standard (OOXML).

If they had implemented ODF now and may be planned for OOXML in another say 1 year (as it is newer standard) it would have been fine. But having to break their head till 2012 to implement an XML dump of their current binary format is plain ridiculous and shamefull defeat for OOXML.

 

[iMav]

^^ they have not postponed, it was on their road map itself, it was for complete addition in the next office release. Office 2007 already has certain OOXML features

Also ODF has been added and OOXML has not been stopped from development. dude you say something for Linux & when the same thing comes to Windows you guys go like, no no aisa thodi hai, woh toh waisa hai

 

[chandru.in]

MS never badmouths open-source communities, whereas some OSS users just live to badmouth MS.

Are you new to technology world?

*www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_cancer/

And in that he speaks absolute non-sense about the GPL. Poor guy!!

^^ they have not postponed, it was on their road map itself, it was for complete addition in the next office release. Office 2007 already has certain OOXML features

Also ODF has been added and OOXML has not been stopped from development. dude you say something for Linux & when the same thing comes to Windows you guys go like, no no aisa thodi hai, woh toh waisa hai

You are contradicting yourself, they propagate a standard which they claim is already partially implemented in Office 2K7. Then when time comes to implementing their own so called standard, they say they can't do it till 2012 while they can implement a totally new standard from the scratch within months. Well I understand your struggles to protect the falling giant.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Dude are freaking dumb or blind?

Reported!

Dude you are intellect is worse than Cyrus or Praka man.

Reported!

Dude, keep your frustration with Vista inside your pants, don't flame on this thread. Post Reported for flaming.

And as far as abusing me is considered, your hosting account is going to be suspended for 2 days. I hope you read the terms&conditions about verbal abuse.

MS never badmouths open-source communities, whereas some OSS users just live to badmouth MS.

Wake up!

Every blog post posts ..............

blah..
blah..
.................., it will only push you downwards.

This is technology news and not chit chat, read the news and move on, if you got something to say about fanboys, create another thread, don't turn this one into one.

I can see that you're taking out your frustration of the blue screen of death that appeared and had to reinstall everything.. well.. carry on.. but not on this thread. Don't forget which section you're posting in.

 

[victor_rambo]

And as far as abusing me is considered, your hosting account is going to be suspended for 2 days. I hope you read the terms&conditions about verbal abuse.

Abuse, where did he abuse you? Through a email to your hosting support? or on this forum?

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Abuse, where did he abuse you? Through a email to your hosting support? or on this forum?

I guess it's better if you can mind your business or atleast answer to what I've quoted to what you said and not answer what I've told anyone else.

 

[iMav]

And as far as abusing me is considered, your hosting account is going to be suspended for 2 days. I hope you read the terms&conditions about verbal abuse.

if you want to make this personal be my guest

@Rohan: forget it, I guess I was wrong about certain assumptions previously.

 

[kalpik]

@iMav: Please don't make personal comments on people when you don't want them to be taken personally

@Cyrus: My personal suggestion: please keep things related to the forum to the forum only

 

[iMav]

@Kalpik, I re-read the post and felt that I shouldn't have said it & so I deleted it, but unfortunately, Ubuntu's Firefox wasn't able to match up & Cyrus got enough time to quote me. I deleted the post before reading Cyrus' quote.

 

[victor_rambo]

I guess it's better if you can mind your business or atleast answer to what I've quoted to what you said and not answer what I've told anyone else.

If you want people to keep away from your business, then do all that 'privately'. Don't post it in public. Do you get that?

What you are going to do with iMav's hosting account is not related to this thread. So you better focus on discussion instead of blackmailing people and forcing them to 'lick my ass or else...'.

FYI, iMav had given me 'positive' feedback about 'outpower hosting'. I was about to buy 10 Super Max hosting accounts and domains from you on behalf of my web programming customers and college. But I think I will reconsider that. I fear you will blackmail me to support OSS or else you will pull down my sites.

Thank God that you lost your control and spoke so rudely, else I would have never got the masked 'real' blackmailer webhosting company. You see, this is called 'my good luck'.

 

[kalpik]

Yeah.. Cool.. Just play well

 

[MetalheadGautham]

@rohan

I fully agree with you. The problem is that linux CHOOSES not to stay mainstream, because if it went mainstream, it would have n00b users asking stupid questions. Linux currently has mostly power users, unlike Windows and Mac which cater to mainstream n00bs.(no offence meant to anyone)

But then, there are many who wish to see linux as a mainstream OS(shudder... the horrors)
This makes them attack windows at every opportunity.

 

[victor_rambo]

if you want to make this personal be my guest

@Rohan: forget it, I guess I was wrong about certain assumptions previously.

Dude, you saved me big time!

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Dude, you saved me big time!

+1
I think it was evil on Cyrusś part to act like the way he just did.
I know some guys get a little too carried away(gx and imav for windows, cyrus and prakash for linux, goobi and aayush for mac - always a couple of eViL guys) with their support for their Platforn, but this was too much, both on the part of Cyrus and iMav.

 

[chandru.in]

@MetalheadGautham

In my case, it is not my wish to see Linux go mainstream. I hate MS because I'm forced to buy its product at many places. Why on earth should I buy Vista when I want to buy a laptop with good configuration?

I need laptop with good computing power as I need it for my development work. But I'm forced to buy Vista or choose a low power system. Now please don't suggest installing Linux after buying a Vista laptop. It is like suggesting that I must buy ABC brand bread always though I'll actually eat XYZ brand one.

 

[Cyrus_the_virus]

Thank God that you lost your control and spoke so rudely, else I would have never got the masked 'real' blackmailer webhosting company. You see, this is called 'my good luck'.

I'm not intending to blackmail anyone. Being straight is the point. Abuse in any form will not be tolerated. You be good with me(not talking about OSS support or anything related to that), it will be my pleasure to serve you. If you want to take it the other way, I'll be left with no choice. How many threads have I have blackmailed iMav for saying something against OSS?

So, if you look, you'll realize that it's nothing to do with OSS support like you said it to be. His abuse was clear in that post, and hence that reply.

 

[victor_rambo]

I'm not intending to blackmail anyone. Being straight is the point. Abuse in any form will not be tolerated. You be good with me(not talking about OSS support or anything related to that), it will be my pleasure to serve you. If you want to take it the other way, I'll be left with no choice. How many threads have I have blackmailed iMav for saying something against OSS?

So, if you look, you'll realize that it's nothing to do with OSS support like you said it to be. His abuse was clear in that post, and hence that reply.

I did not demand any explanation for any of your acts. Keep them with yourself. I now know how you can behave with me in future and I am not willing to trust your 'goodness' now. Every professional webhost, knows where to draw the line between personal and business matters.

 

[narangz]

^^Your hosting rules do not apply here.