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devx

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Alright., and till my monster come nobody messes with my XFX HD 4350 512Mb., :-D
 
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Back on TDF :)
I need some more help regarding MONITOR., actually i'm confused but what i need is a 23" min. /full HD LED monitor 16:9 /2 ms(Is it really better than 5ms or just a market gimmick) /Anti-Glare display /looks is not an issue., first i choose Asus ML238H but as now prices are high so i would like to spend under 11k and later on i'll see to adjust., so i have some other options too as :-
-Dell ST2330L - 9.5K (SMC)
-Dell S2330MX -10.5K (SMC)
-Viewsonic VG/VX Series

And one more thing how much performance difference is in between CM Hyper TX3 & 212 Plus ??
 
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$$Lionking$$

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Consider this -

COMPONENT MAKE :- PRICE :-
Processor AMD FX-8120 11,800
Monitor Alienware OPTX 8000
Motherboard 990-FXA UD3 10,900
Graphic Card 2x MSI R6850 Cyclone OC 1gb 20,230
Speakers Logitech Z506 4,700
RAM Gskill Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9S-8GBXL(4*2) 2,800
Case NZXT LexaS/Tempet 410 4,500
UPS APC 1.1KVA 5,250
PSU SeaSonic S12 850w 6,650
Keyboard Logitech Media Keyboard K200 400
Mouse Roccat Kova / Razer Deathadder 1,900
Mouse Pad Razer Goliathus Fragged S - Control 591
DVD Writer ASUS 24X Sata Black DVD 1,147
Printer Canon MP287 3,299
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 2,100
TOTAL 84,280

Go for CFX when ur spending 80k??
@AMD - Due to CFX x16+x16.

You could also consider 3 x CFX 6750 for about 2k less...
P.S. Ive got no idea bout how many amps does the psu kick on 12v rails but im hoping for it to be enuf!!!
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
^^ I don't think 6750 supports trifire. Its limited two max of two cards. Besides there isn't much difference at all xfiring two 6850's in x16-x16 or x8-x8. There is no bottleneck in lanes. Performance is same. Going for a third card will require more lanes.

@ devx

Stick with 2500k+z68 combo. Its a better deal in gaming than bulldozer. Get this eyes closed.
 

$$Lionking$$

In the zone
^^ I don't think 6750 supports trifire. Its limited two max of two cards. Besides there isn't much difference at all xfiring two 6850's in x16-x16 or x8-x8. There is no bottleneck in lanes. Performance is same. Going for a third card will require more lanes.

@ devx

Stick with 2500k+z68 combo. Its a better deal in gaming than bulldozer. Get this eyes closed.

1. 3x CFX is possible wid 6750.
2. x16+x16 6850 CFX = x8+x8 6850 CFX -> HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! :D Just read what you're saying! :D
3. As a platform Bulldozer + 990FX >> i5 2500k + Z68.

UPDATE - OPTX IS NOT FOR 8K -> :(
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
1. 3x CFX is possible wid 6750.
2. x16+x16 6850 CFX = x8+x8 6850 CFX -> HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! :D Just read what you're saying! :D
3. As a platform Bulldozer + 990FX >> i5 2500k + Z68.

UPDATE - OPTX IS NOT FOR 8K -> :(

You really don't even know a single thing about lane saturation. Forget crossfire. And your 3rd point made me laugh. I mean it was hilarious.

Ok for your 1st point check the following:

6750

6970

See and read before you post. Don't just write anything. Look in the specs tab and find crossfireX. See what difference you find in the cfx abilities between 6970 and 6750. Post here what you comprehend. You will edit your own post.

In the 2nd one, again you misinterpret my above post completely. I said the performance difference between x8-x8 and x16-x16 for cards like 6850 is negligible at fullhd or above. Don't laugh before reading. You are only making a fool of yourself. I advice you to read properly to comprehend better.

Read this - x16-x16 vs x8-x8. Even a 6990+6970 trifire showed no difference. How the hell will a 6850cf make a difference? There was also another article in tomshardware which also showed negligible differences.
Google and read some valid links before posting. Practically, there's not more than 2% difference in fullhd or higher. Three or four gpu's crave for more lanes.

Lastly, what do you mean by a platform builder?. Can you clearly justify your 3rd point? Is the x16-x16 combination of 990fx pushed you to suggest bulldozer?
 
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@lionking...calm down mate.

1. i dont think you can trifire HD 6770.

XFX6770.jpg


check in the pic...top left corner...only 1 crossfire connector. so no middle card possible and hence no tri crossfire. same is the case with gtx 560 ti.

2. and 3.

yes i agree that as a platform 990fx is better than z68 but u dont see any performance loss in X8-X8 crossfire.

the processor fx-8120 makes 990fx a bad choice for gamers. :oops:

in an ideal world...u should be getting 990fx + i5-2500k....if that could be possible.
 
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in an ideal world, i wrote.

990fx is the better chipset out of the two. z68/sandy bridge has very few lanes. i think only 16 from the processor which means X8-X8 crossfire. tri crossfire is not even possible. and even if you add NF200 in z68...it will show worth only in tri fire/tri sli. for dual gpu, NF200 adds up slight latency.

and in reality...NF200 does not "magically" increase lanes in z68. it is still 16 lanes from the processor in sandy bridge.

i also consider A75 a better chipset than z68/sandy bridge and may be 990fx if you ignore pcie lanes. reason? all six SATA ports on A75 is 6gbps and USB 3.0 is also integrated into the chipset.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
Yes i agree with joker about 990fx. The chipset is great and offers full 32 lanes. But the bulldozer processor lineup is pathetic and offers nothing out of the ordinary.

@joker

Mate i think the nf200 does assist in providing additional lanes or else from where does the extra 16 come from? Since sandybridge has integrated pci-e controller offering 16 lanes, from where does the extra 16 lanes come up with the inclusion of the nf200 chip?

NF200 makes x16-x16 cf or sli possible in z68 thus making it a worthy platform for powerful multigpu setups. Can you throw some light mate?:)
 

Skud

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in an ideal world, i wrote.

990fx is the better chipset out of the two. z68/sandy bridge has very few lanes. i think only 16 from the processor which means X8-X8 crossfire. tri crossfire is not even possible. and even if you add NF200 in z68...it will show worth only in tri fire/tri sli. for dual gpu, NF200 adds up slight latency.

and in reality...NF200 does not "magically" increase lanes in z68. it is still 16 lanes from the processor in sandy bridge.

i also consider A75 a better chipset than z68/sandy bridge and may be 990fx if you ignore pcie lanes. reason? all six SATA ports on A75 is 6gbps and USB 3.0 is also integrated into the chipset.


NF200 is not an ideal solution at all - it adds heat, price and latency. Some boards like the ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe adds a PLX PCIe 2.0 bridge to provide additional lanes, but even this solution is costly. No such hassles with 990FX. Also absence of enough PCIe lanes mean you simply can't keep on adding peripherals. Check here:-

MSI Z68A-GD80 (B3) LGA1155 Mainboard Review. Page 2 - X-bit labs

Round-Up: Four Z68 Motherboards From $220 To $280 : Four Z68 Express-Based Motherboards For Enthusiasts

Excerpt from Xbitlabs' review:-

A single graphics card installed into the top slot will work in full-speed PCIe 2.0 x16 mode. If two graphics cards are in use, the graphics slots are x8 each. The third graphics slot has four PCI Express lanes, but if it's occupied, the following becomes unavailable: the eSATA and the additional SATA port, the onboard USB 3.0 connector, both PCI slots, and the back-panel IEEE1394 (FireWire) port.

As most users make do with a single PC, this is definitely worth pondering over.

Another point I hate (although more than the chipset, this problem relates to the manufacturer) is the presence of DVI/VGA ports for Quick Sync. This eats away at least a couple of more important USB ports. Again, the ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe can take the benefit of Virtu & Quick Sync without a video output, but then this boards costs close to 20k. I think a single HDMI port would have been better.
 

ico

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NF200 doesn't really add heat. :p But you are correct on other fronts.

well, the thing is. In Sandy Bridge, you've got the PCIe controller in the processor and only 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes from the processor. So, only X8-X8 is possible. (There are 8 more PCIE 2.0 lanes in Sandy Bridge, but those are from the PCH and used for other stuff which board makers implement...like USB 3.0) NF200 implementation can vary from motherboard to motherboard. You'll have to go through each motherboard's manual and block diagram for that.

In short, here's how NF200 works. It connects to the processor's PCIe lanes which are 16 in number, acts as a splitter or a manager and outputs 32 lanes to various PCIe slots. That X16-X16 in CF/SLI is actually X16-X16 to the NF200 chip.....not to the processor. The connection to the processor shall remain overall 16 only.
 

Skud

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I had read it in quite a few places that it runs hot. Can't confirm though.
 

vickybat

I am the night...I am...
@ico

Thanks for info mate. I'm satisfied now and yes splitter is the correct term here. I wasn't able to understand that. Its similar to a simple usb hub right where from one input you get multiple outputs?
 

$$Lionking$$

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@Joker - Hey bro... wassup?! :) and Im cool, only thing that has upset me today was that Alienware OPTX is not for 8k(I died a little inside when I got to know that! :( )

@Vickybat -

I built a machine for a friend about 3-4 days back so I know that it supports Triple CFX.

H675F1GD_all_1600.jpg


@x16+x16 vs x8+x8
Here - 5750 CFX vs 5850/5870. I hope you can make out from this what my point is -

COD WORLD AT WAR - 1920x1200

Image Quality setting:

4x Anti-Aliasing
16x Anisotropic Filtering
All settings maxed out

9S3w8.jpg


This difference should be even higher with faster cards like HD 6850.

(If you think that comparing 5750 CFX with 5850/5870 is not right for x16+x16 vs x8+x8 comparison then I will not argue ill just agree with u - coz too lazy to fight and prove every-little-thing today!!)

As far as ur point of FX-8120 suckks goes. If you're gaming at full HD its pretty much the same as 2500k/2600k. too lazy to post images/charts for this but that is how it is... njoi! :)

and btw BD seems to be attractive vs 2500k for a gaming platform now coz of price updates.. :)
 

Skud

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@Joker - Hey bro... wassup?! :) and Im cool, only thing that has upset me today was that Alienware OPTX is not for 8k(I died a little inside when I got to know that! :( )

@Vickybat -

I built a machine for a friend about 3-4 days back so I know that it supports Triple CFX.


It depends on the card, obviously. My Sapphire 6950 1gb supports trifire. Newer Sapphire dual fan 6950 1gb cards can support only dual GPU config, as the 2nd CF connector is absent in the card. Apparently, some cost cutting measures from the cos. ;)
 

Cilus

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YA, NF200 chipset basically uses dynamic switching among the availalable PCI-E Bus on the basis of their availability to provide some extra bandwidth to CPU, but is is only X16-X16 to the CPU at the best case. Sadly that best case practically never occurs in real life scenario.

Check this Review: NVIDIA NF200 x16/x16 vs. Intel x8/x8 P67 Performance Analysis :: TweakTown USA Edition

Here P67 chipset actually performed better than a NF200 based motherboard.
 
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