Graphics Cards related queries here.

[karan_singh999]

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@rajkumar_pb and hell_storm2006 thanks a lot for helping this noob out
First: I wanted to confirm that 9600 gt is the 1gb one or 512mb for 4.5k dammn cheap (on techshop 512mb one is for 5.3K)
Secondly: I on that site I saw an ATI card for 4.5K MSI HD4670 1GB DDR3 is it any better than 9600GT (and some of my friends gave me a suggestion to get Nvidia it has kicka$$ PHysx technology??)
Third: Some local dealer in Sec 50 silicon tech told me that a normal 400-500W SMPS would be around Rs700-800 of Iball,ante.. or some other AND here 2.5k Zoinks!!
Fourth : NEEEDDD HHHHEEELLLPPP IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Krow]

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@rajkumar_pb and hell_storm2006 thanks a lot for helping this noob out
First: I wanted to confirm that 9600 gt is the 1gb one or 512mb for 4.5k dammn cheap (on techshop 512mb one is for 5.3K)

It is the 512MB one. techshop usually has higher prices.

Secondly: I on that site I saw an ATI card for 4.5K MSI HD4670 1GB DDR3 is it any better than 9600GT (and some of my friends gave me a suggestion to get Nvidia it has kicka$$ PHysx technology??)

Don't expect to be able to use Physx on the 9600GT alone. You most probably will get pathetic frame rates. 4670 is just a notch below the 9600 GT and does not need a power connector either.

Third: Some local dealer in Sec 50 silicon tech told me that a normal 400-500W SMPS would be around Rs700-800 of Iball,ante.. or some other AND here 2.5k Zoinks!!
Fourth : NEEEDDD HHHHEEELLLPPP IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can tell you that those el cheapo SMPSes have a great chance of frying your rig. If you want that to happen, only then buy the 500 bucks smps. Gigabyte 460W is for 2.2k @ PrimeABGB, Mumbai. www.primeabgb.com

 

[furious_gamer]

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@rajkumar_pb and hell_storm2006 thanks a lot for helping this noob out
First: I wanted to confirm that 9600 gt is the 1gb one or 512mb for 4.5k dammn cheap (on techshop 512mb one is for 5.3K)
Secondly: I on that site I saw an ATI card for 4.5K MSI HD4670 1GB DDR3 is it any better than 9600GT (and some of my friends gave me a suggestion to get Nvidia it has kicka$$ PHysx technology??)
Third: Some local dealer in Sec 50 silicon tech told me that a normal 400-500W SMPS would be around Rs700-800 of Iball,ante.. or some other AND here 2.5k Zoinks!!
Fourth : NEEEDDD HHHHEEELLLPPP IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you cant get 9600GT @ 4.5k, then go for MSI HD4670 1GB one(look at my siggy). No difference in performance compared to 9600GT(only a 1~3fps diff), and additionally no additional power connectors needed.

No use of PhysX with 9600GT.

 

[karan_singh999]

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If you cant get 9600GT @ 4.5k, then go for MSI HD4670 1GB one(look at my siggy). No difference in performance compared to 9600GT(only a 1~3fps diff), and additionally no additional power connectors needed.

No use of PhysX with 9600GT.

Thanks guys for the advise.
As I won't be able to extend my budget by 2or2.5k's i think 4670 1gb is better option as it's performance is also just a little less than 9600GT. For that do I need a PSU UPGRADE??
And what is the current price of 4670 1GB is it cheaper than 9600GT coz it was 1K cheaper at techshop
Pls also suggest a brand (sapphire/...)
And will all new games be able to run finely on it>>>>

Then me and you rajkumar(noticed your siggy) can be 4670 Brothersss...

 

[Krow]

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Thanks guys for the advise.
As I won't be able to extend my budget by 2or2.5k's i think 4670 1gb is better option as it's performance is also just a little less than 9600GT. For that do I need a PSU UPGRADE??

Erm... 250W PSU and that too of no reputed make is dangerous for any rig. Especially when loaded with a card like 4670 1GB! IMO minimum should be Gigabyte 460W. You want to spend close to 5k on card, but don't you wanna ensure that it is safe and sound along with the rest of your system? Gigabyte 460W @ 2.2k is minimum.

 

[karan_singh999]

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And what is the current price of 4670 1GB is it cheaper than 9600GT coz it was 1K cheaper at techshop
->Pls also suggest a brand (sapphire/...)
->And will all new games be able to run finely on it?????

Then me and you rajkumar(noticed your siggy) can be 4670 Brothersss...

ok then 2.2k for PSU and is the graphics card fine (also answer the above query please)

 

[Krow]

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For ATI cards, Sapphire is one of the oldest brands. Although, just look for best warranty among the brands, if equal, then go for the cheapest one. Avoid all brands serviced by Rashi Peripherals. The second query will be answered best by rajkumar himself. Although I can run 90% games very well on my onboard HD3300 640MB shared DDR2 Graphics at 800x600. I can't see why the 4670 should not be able to run all games well.

 

[topgear]

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^^ Offcourse i even like DX9 over DX10 - just in CRYSIS i like DX 10

Most of the games i play in DX 9 , give me 15 - 20 more FPS than DX 10

Who needs DX 10 , may be some one with over 28" inch monitor looking for real eyecandy can go for DX 11

Hmm then Zotac GTX 260 is not 55nm , its 65nm GPU !! AFIAK

Yup, it's a 65nm as you know all GTX 260 core 216 cards are based on 65nm.
BTw, here is the SK number : ZT-X26E3KE-FCP

Here is the product page :
*www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=100025&lang=un

 

[karan_singh999]

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Not with 9.xx drivers. I am lucky with this. Coz in the DVD bundled with my HD4670, i got 9.xx drivers....

If they try to concentrate on linux side, it'll sure kick all these debates to an end...

One last question for which brand did go go for sapphire/powercolor/MSI/.....{HD4670 1gb ddr3}
waiting for the reply bro...

 

[desiibond]

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Sapphire would be my first choice

 

[punkkummander]

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is th onboard graphics of any 785g mobo capable of powering a samsung 2233sw? all new games atleast at mid level settings

 

[abhidev]

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Well, the Palit GTS250 1GB is a decent choice. But, why not get Zotac GTX260 (the 65nm one) for Rs. 9.5k? The brand doesnt matter really, just get the cheaper one.

your PSU is?

Hey but i have heard that zotac has some cooling and fan problems....and also is zotac reliable enough for performance.Wat abt Geforce 9800 GTX??? Is it good and is it compatible to my MOBO??

 

[NVIDIAGeek]

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^ZOTAC's one of the best for NVIDIA chips. No problem with 'em.

 

[furious_gamer]

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One last question for which brand did go go for sapphire/powercolor/MSI/.....{HD4670 1gb ddr3}
waiting for the reply bro...

Go for Sapphire... I bought MSI only because i cant find Sapphire below 5000 in Chennai... Also dont forgot to buy a new PSU, otherwise you'll end up being fry the whole PC....

Try to get 512MB GDDR3 rather than 1GB DDR3. I've read that GDDR3 memories were slightly faster than DDR3 and ,if you're playing games @ 1280x1024, then 1GB is useless (except for GTA4).

And all games were been playable with HD4670. I have been playing games @ 1440x900 at med~high settings with my card.

Still got any queries....

Dont forgot to inquire about the warranty and service of the card. It'll become pain if you buy a card with no nearest service centres....

 

[tkin]

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Go for Sapphire... I bought MSI only because i cant find Sapphire below 5000 in Chennai... Also dont forgot to buy a new PSU, otherwise you'll end up being fry the whole PC....

Try to get 512MB GDDR3 rather than 1GB DDR3. I've read that GDDR3 memories were slightly faster than DDR3 and ,if you're playing games @ 1280x1024, then 1GB is useless (except for GTA4).

And all games were been playable with HD4670. I have been playing games @ 1440x900 at med~high settings with my card.

Still got any queries....

Dont forgot to inquire about the warranty and service of the card. It'll become pain if you buy a card with no nearest service centres....

All GPUs use GDDR3(no DDR3), sometimes they just don't use that GDDR3 word in package description cause most n00bs out there don't understand the difference between GDDR3 and DDR3.

 

[furious_gamer]

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All GPUs use GDDR3(no DDR3), sometimes they just don't use that GDDR3 word in package description cause most n00bs out there don't understand the difference between GDDR3 and DDR3.

But why they do so. And AFAI heard, my MSI HD4670 1GB is DDR3 one and 512MB one is GDDR3.... Isn't that correct?

 

[comp@ddict]

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^^No they all use GDDR3 not DDR3...
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is th onboard graphics of any 785g mobo capable of powering a samsung 2233sw? all new games atleast at mid level settings

Not at all....lowest settings of 2008 and 2009 games less than 20fps....running it on mine(HD4200)

2007 and older are a breeze at medium and low settings(except Crysis )

 

[tkin]

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But why they do so. And AFAI heard, my MSI HD4670 1GB is DDR3 one and 512MB one is GDDR3.... Isn't that correct?

No, both use GDDR3, GPU ram is different from normal SDRAMs.

From Wikipedia

Graphics Double Data Rate 3 is a graphics card-specific memory technology, designed by ATI Technologies with the collaboration of JEDEC.

It has much the same technological base as DDR2, but the power and heat dispersal requirements have been reduced somewhat, allowing for higher performance memory modules, and simplified cooling systems. Unlike the DDR2 used on graphics cards, GDDR3 is unrelated to the JEDEC DDR3 specification. This memory uses internal terminators, enabling it to better handle certain graphics demands. To improve bandwidth, GDDR3 memory transfers 4 bits of data per pin in 2 clock cycles.

The GDDR3 Interface transfers two 32 bit wide data words per clock cycle from the I/O pins. Corresponding to the 4n-pre fetch a single write or read access consists of a 128 bit wide, one-clock-cycle data transfer at the internal memory core and four corresponding 32 bit wide, one-half-clock-cycle data transfers at the I/O Pins. Single-ended unidirectional Read and Write Data strobes are transmitted simultaneously with Read and Write data respectively in order to capture data properly at the receivers of both the Graphics SDRAM and the controller. Data strobes are organized per byte of the 32 bit wide interface.

 

[furious_gamer]

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No, both use GDDR3, GPU ram is different from normal SDRAMs.

From Wikipedia

Thanks for that dude..

 

[asingh]

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the whole PC....

Try to get 512MB GDDR3 rather than 1GB DDR3. I've read that GDDR3 memories were slightly faster than DDR3 and ,if you're playing games @ 1280x1024, then 1GB is useless (except for GTA4).

And all games were been playable with HD4670. I have been playing games @ 1440x900 at med~high settings with my card.

Better to go for 1 GB memory or greater as a standard for GPUs. Reason being down the line the user may upgrade to higher resolutions. Also via larger memory sets, the GPU has larger 'surface area' to load textures.

GDDR Memory:
It runs at 2.5V, which enables them to run at higher clock rates, but also generate more heat. But the latest GDDR3/5s make do with 1.8V - 2V. Also some difference are

1. You can activate a memory bank and issue a read request in the same clock cycle. In DDR they are each lagged by 1 clock because there is a collision.

2. In GDDR you can write and read the same memory location at the same time. This isn't as useful anymore because GPU cache is much improved over the 'old days' and you 'shouldn't' have to read the same location you are writing.

3. GDDR has hardware reset facility, which quickly enables it to flush out all memory banks and start over.

nVidia has a 512BIT memory interface vs 256BT for ATI. But since ATI is using quicker memroy as the weopon of choice, DDR5 it evens the odds.