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[Kniwor]

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Ummm .. NO ... a dx9.0c compatible card , whatever it may be .. will NOT be able to render dx10 in any form .. if u have any doubts , try the dx10 samples in the latest directx SDK ...

As far as it goes about performance .. definitely a 7900GT is better than a 8600GTS .. but considering the current situation , its really hard to make a choice ... one gives better performance and no dx10 , while the other has dx10 and less performance .. if dx10 does give a performance boost over dx9.0c , the 8600GTS might be able to get close to a 7900GT , and then a 8600GTS would definitely be better ... but right now , anything like a 7900GT,7950GT is worth every bit of money ..

dude, u should read the First Line of my post(All the games now, or in near future(atleast for next 15 months) will support DX9 very well), tell me a game which is only DX10, no DX9 support...... you wont be seeing such games for quite some time, so, by DX10 game I mean, the one which has DX10 features as well.... that 8600GTS can use... and even after that 7900GT running that game will give better eyecandy... I guess you will agree to me here...

and here's a little something on performance of DX10 over DX9, it gives more features, but not higher performance.... Infact the DX10 code is slower
*www.firingsquad.com/hardware/lost_planet_demo_directx_10_performance/page2.asp

*www.legitreviews.com/article/486/9/

see for yourself 8600 GT beats 7900 GT in rainbow: las vegas without overclocking

*www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMyNCw2LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

here is the link where both 8600 GTS cards are beating Ati 1950 pro which is faster than 7900 GT without overclocking.

also, the reason why i said you should because is the most the overclockable card ever built.... don't believe me just the see for yourself
*vr-zone.com/?i=4925&s=1

so my point is future games will be sharder based, therefore 86xxx series will beat 7900 GS/GT cards on the newupcoming games not to mention it uses low power supply

you are seriously wrong here, 1950Pro by no means is faster than 7900GT.

Higher performance in 1~2 games does not make card faster, it looses out in most games....

See my dear friend.U are not paying attention.If u think from my point of view u will see how right i am.
No doubt that 7900 GT is better than 8600 GT because the 8600 GT is the Dx10 version of 7600 GT.
If u really wanna compare then compare the 8800 GTS with 7900 GT.There u will see the performance.

All i am saying is not everyone is loaded like u.Your config. might cost around 60-70 K but then also no one change their system min. for 1 year....well for almost 3 years.Well in that case if u are saying that everyone should buy a DX9(New Card) then i will say it again ITS A WASTAGE OF MONEY.The Dx10 card can also run DX 9 games asa well as DX 10 game.So if 7900 GT cost around 10K then i will say go for 8600 GT for lesser price.Although its not that performance with 8600 GT as compared to 7900 GT IN DX 9 but u also have the advantage of DX 10.

The only point I can agree to u is that if one is going to keep the cards for next 3 years, he should maybe get 8600's with DX10 support, but in that case, by that time the card will be almost useless, and unable to play any modern games anyhow, so again, the whole point is lost. If u are a gamer, you will change the card in a year and half.... where again, buying a DX9 card makes sense.

Well in your words all those guys who have bought the 8800 GTX & GTS are the real LOSERS?
No my friend they are not losers they are the far sighters.

If u will read my post more carefully, I have suggested 8800 cards for buying, because they are actually performance for money...... and the best buy at the moment, But one might not have that much money...

Dude not everyone can change the system like u do.Besides this there is a new thing(which u haven't heard of) "FUTURE PROOFING".
The 8600 GT is the value for money.If u have 10,000/- & u buy a 7900GT & after 1 year u sell it & buy a better card,i think u should save the money for later upgrade like RAM,processor,or any other thing.Besides the 8600 GT is not lagging in any of the game.

But if the 7900 GT is comming for 5-7K then there is no harm in having it rather than 8600 GT.

But still i will suggest all of u people out there that buy 8600 GT rather than 7900 GT because think about SM 4.0,DX 10,and HDR+AA that the 8600 GT can do but no 7900 GT can!!!!!!!

ALL I AM TALKING ABOUT OPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

I am really confused at your conclusion, what is the point in being able to turn on the effects if u cannot play a game with them turned on, a 7900 card will allow you to play the same game with more eyecandy than 8600, that's my whole point.....

consider the case that the 7300's had HDR support, I'm sure not a single soul was able to play a game on 7300 with HDR on..... hope u get my point...

Smit has another point about drivers but check these reviews:
*www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/

U will see how the 8600 GTS or 8600 GT is better than 7900 GT.

If u wanna real comparison then compare the 7900 GTX & 8800 GTS(320MB) then u will see the difference.

Funny that review u gave shows 8600's is slower than the 7900's(overall)....lol..


In the end, it is psychologically hard to accept that older is better, but it is, and I never suggested buying new 7900's, get used ones yaar..... save money, and buy a 8800 later..... If u have 7600GT or above, keep it for some time, let the 8800's get cheaper, let the ATI/nVidia DX10 battle heat up.... All I'm saying is, this is a really bad time to buy mid segment DX10 cards, namely 8600's, they are ridiculously priced at the moment, and in no way justify their performance...

 

[Who]

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and here's a little something on performance of DX10 over DX9, it gives more features, but not higher performance.... Infact the DX10 code is slower

Actually its the games fault why there is lower perfomence, even the review you showed me it self is saying that the game company's goal is to make the game 20 % faster than the DX 9 , i don't know if they could make the game that fast, but i am sure other games will much faster on DX 10

you are seriously wrong here, 1950Pro by no means is faster than 7900GT.

*www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=646&page=7

see even 8600 GT is faster than the 7900 GT

Higher performance in 1~2 games does not make card faster, it looses out in most games....

8600 cards are just a month old, there are no stable drivers out there for it, when the stable drivers will come out , i.e like 3 months from right now , i am sure 7900gs/gt won't even able touch thses cards in shrader based games

Edit : what i am trying to prove is even 8800 GTS 320 MB is not future proof, i am sure it won't run games like crysis on max setting even at 1284 x 1024 , you are better off getting a 8600 GT so you can try all DX 10 patches so you can buy a good 9xxx series card next year , by that time most card will be very good for DX 10 gaming & the driver will be optimized with taking full advantages of DX 10.

 

[Kniwor]

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Actually its the games fault why there is lower perfomence, even the review you showed me it self is saying that the game company's goal is to make the game 20 % faster than the DX 9 , i don't know if they could make the game that fast, but i am sure other games will much faster on DX 10


*www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=646&page=7

see even 8600 GT is faster than the 7900 GT

that is the first review(I saw) on the whole internet that said 8600GT is a good card.... and gave better results than 7900GT.

Look all the following, and u will see a different Picture...
*www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2237
*www.overclock3d.net/reviews.php?/gpu_displays/nvidia_8600_gts_and_8600_gt_-_foxconn_and_xfx/1
*www.legitreviews.com/article/486/1/

and the most trusted of all

*www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=1

In all cases, 1950Pro is better than the 8600's and 7900GT is definitely better than them all

Edit : what i am trying to prove is even 8800 GTS 320 MB is not future proof, i am sure it won't run games like crysis on max setting even at 1284 x 1024 , you are better off getting a 8600 GT so you can try all DX 10 patches so you can buy a good 9xxx series card next year , by that time most card will be very good for DX 10 gaming & the driver will be optimized with taking full advantages of DX 10.

that's exactly what I'm telling, only difference is I suggest a High end 7 series card, instead of a mid-end 8 series card, for time being...

 

[Who]

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*www.tomshardware.com/2007/04/17/geforce_8600/page8.html


here is another one where 8600 GTS beats even 7900 GTX in outdoors, indoors don't count anyway ( no big diffrence between 140 fps & 145 fps).

also my entire problem is with 8600 series sucks, granted they suck in games like far cry but they beat 7900 GS/GT cards in newer sharder based games.


edit: also those 8600 GT cards are the wrose 8600 gt cards i have seen , i mean a overclocked 8600 GT delivers as much as a 8600 GTS OC'ed , so never buy a sparkle 8600 GT card.

 

[Kniwor]

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*www.tomshardware.com/2007/04/17/geforce_8600/page8.html


here is another one where 8600 GTS beats even 7900 GTX in outdoors, indoors don't count anyway ( no big diffrence between 140 fps & 145 fps).

also my entire problem is with 8600 series sucks, granted they suck in games like far cry but they beat 7900 GS/GT cards in newer sharder based games.

dude, please at least post the intro page of review, and the reader will check for himself........ that review you gave shows that the 8600's "suck" ....

 

[Who]

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my point is simple, this is the last time i am repeating 8600 series will beat 79xx cards in sharder based games like oblivion, rainbow : vegas etc, but it will lose to the older games like F.E.A.R,farcry,doom 3 etc.. because they require more V RAM & a 256 - bit Memory Interface or more

SO in the end buy 8600 cards if you want to play DX 10 i.e games of tommorrow, or buy 79xx series cards to play old games on max settings i.e. games of today


or buy an 8800 GTS 640 MB or more to be future proof & stop thinking about this discussion of 86xxx vs 79xxx series

 

[Kniwor]

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anyhow, I guess I should now go back to OC'ing / Testing my computer... that's lying on the chair...lol (will post pics, it is the coolest comp to look at...ha..ha no cabinet....)

anyone interested will read all the mess we made... and draw his conclusions, I believe people should research for themselves, instead of looking for direct answers....

 

[hitman050]

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Guys, I am buying a Palit X1950GT for 8600. Can you tell me your opinions on this card. I would playing games like STALKER, Company of Heroes, Rainbow Six Vegas etc, and watching High Definition x264 movies.

 

[Kniwor]

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All hail Kniwor...

7900GT partners....

Heh...

dude, that's what we call spam..... avoid that...

Guys, I am buying a Palit X1950GT for 8600. Can you tell me your opinions on this card. I would playing games like STALKER, Company of Heroes, Rainbow Six Vegas etc, and watching High Definition x264 movies.

dude, u did not mention the price of the cards???

 

[hitman050]

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I did mention, Rs. 8600. Anyways, give feedback, whether it will be able to fulfill my needs.

 

[Kniwor]

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I did mention, Rs. 8600. Anyways, give feedback, whether it will be able to fulfill my needs.

1950GT is like 7900GS and should be sufficient for ur needs....

 

[praka123]

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Hello,
I am new to GFX cards,I'm thinking of buying a XFX 7300 GT 256 DDRII for my p4 2.8ghz pc.what i want to know is will it works fine without any overheating issues.

 

[keith_j_snyder2]

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My dear friend Kniwor,
I bet u haven't saw the benchmarking of the game called RAINBOW SIX VEGAS which is the latest among the games which were benchmarked & the 8600 GTS & GT purely wins the battle in this game.
See what u didn't understand is this is just a start of shaders intensified games & future proofing means that in future u will see all the games with this kind of technology used as in UBISOFT's RAINBOW SIX VEGAS.Where it is clear that the 8600 clearly smoke the 7900.

In other words the future proofing is getting ready to take on the next gen technology.
Another thing u mentioned that the 8600 GTS won't be able to run the game in max settings with 1280x1024 resolution.
So the answer is this it is running all the maxed out settings with decent frame rate.
Tell me one thing how many of the people buy the 7900 just for playing the old games because it gives better performance but lags in the current games?
Well in another words if someone can afford the LCD with 1920 or higher resolution he will be watching his back.The 8600 GTS & GT is targeted for the mid range gaming not the high end gaming.If u really wanna see the high end gaming then compare the 8800 ULTRA (the driller) or the 8800 GTX,HD2900XT & then say the word.

There was a time when my 6800GS was also considered as high end but that was the past.Now things have changed,people have moved & so do us.We are supposed to run with the coming technology,not the going one.

If u are saying that its worth waiting for 15 months & then get a Dx10 card,i say its worth waiting 15 months & save ur money by not buying the crap & add some more fuel & u could be a proud owner of.....may be something like 8900 GTX or GTS,which again smoke the 8800 GTX....or maybe something like HD 3000 XTX!!!
Its the technology which is changing day by day & if u are saying that the 8600 will be worthless after some time,then the 7900 will become woths**t after sometime!
Like they say its now or never!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gannu_rox]

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Keep cool dude...

No arguements...

8600GTS is the best card out there n beats d rest....

We need to move with newer tech, well said n so all ye ppl who've anythin less than an 8 series gfx card plz dump it in d bin n get yerself a 8 series one... Before the 9 series is out...

In case it is, buy a 9 series one... N stay clear...

 

[Kniwor]

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My dear friend Kniwor,
I bet u haven't saw the benchmarking of the game called RAINBOW SIX VEGAS which is the latest among the games which were benchmarked & the 8600 GTS & GT purely wins the battle in this game.
See what u didn't understand is this is just a start of shaders intensified games & future proofing means that in future u will see all the games with this kind of technology used as in UBISOFT's RAINBOW SIX VEGAS.Where it is clear that the 8600 clearly smoke the 7900.

In other words the future proofing is getting ready to take on the next gen technology.
Another thing u mentioned that the 8600 GTS won't be able to run the game in max settings with 1280x1024 resolution.
So the answer is this it is running all the maxed out settings with decent frame rate.
Tell me one thing how many of the people buy the 7900 just for playing the old games because it gives better performance but lags in the current games?
Well in another words if someone can afford the LCD with 1920 or higher resolution he will be watching his back.The 8600 GTS & GT is targeted for the mid range gaming not the high end gaming.If u really wanna see the high end gaming then compare the 8800 ULTRA (the driller) or the 8800 GTX,HD2900XT & then say the word.

There was a time when my 6800GS was also considered as high end but that was the past.Now things have changed,people have moved & so do us.We are supposed to run with the coming technology,not the going one.

If u are saying that its worth waiting for 15 months & then get a Dx10 card,i say its worth waiting 15 months & save ur money by not buying the crap & add some more fuel & u could be a proud owner of.....may be something like 8900 GTX or GTS,which again smoke the 8800 GTX....or maybe something like HD 3000 XTX!!!
Its the technology which is changing day by day & if u are saying that the 8600 will be worthless after some time,then the 7900 will become woths**t after sometime!
Like they say its now or never!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm... I see u guys mention UBISOFT's RAINBOW SIX VEGAS again n again, and that these cards do well in the game, and that it's a new game.... well, here are the benchmarks for the game, these cards actually "do" better in these games as compared to other games, where their performance is poor, but they don't do any wonders in this game too

*www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=8

X1950 Pro still beats all 8600 cards here too, need I say anymore......

what's the cost of an 1950Pro $135, what's the cost of 8600GTS, $250
Make ur decision.............

On thinking, actually 1950Pro is a real good buy at the moment, it almost reaches the X1800XT performance (slightly inferior to X1800XT though), and is really good cost.....

 

[paladin4321]

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Please Help *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif
my motherboard supports 4x AGP will the Geforce 7600 series cards run on it?? if not, which is the best card that is available in the market for my motherboard??

 

[Kniwor]

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dude pls give full details, motherboard/processor etc... it is quite possible upgrading motherboard is a better option than getting a graphics card ....

 

[keith_j_snyder2]

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Hmm... I see u guys mention UBISOFT's RAINBOW SIX VEGAS again n again, and that these cards do well in the game, and that it's a new game.... well, here are the benchmarks for the game, these cards actually "do" better in these games as compared to other games, where their performance is poor, but they don't do any wonders in this game too

*www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2970&p=8

X1950 Pro still beats all 8600 cards here too, need I say anymore......

what's the cost of an 1950Pro $135, what's the cost of 8600GTS, $250
Make ur decision.............

On thinking, actually 1950Pro is a real good buy at the moment, it almost reaches the X1800XT performance (slightly inferior to X1800XT though), and is really good cost.....

Dude...........u are not paying attention at all!!!

Let other people decide :

1. Buy a X1950 pro for $135 & save $115(250-135=115) & sell your card after 15 months of worth $135 for $35 because it doesn't run the DX10 content & add add $200 to get a 8800 GTX.

or


2.Save your $135 & don't buy anything and after 15 months Add $200 more i.e $200+$135=$335 & be a proud owner of 8900 GTS(something like that)

or

3.Buy a card for $250 & show your bling...bling...& even after 15 months ur card is still surviving but with a little nick of a lag,but u still enjoy all the gaming fun of DX10 & DX9.


Note:I am a proud owner of GAINWARD 6800GS & i bought it almost 16 months back & even now its not lagging that much while running DX9 games.Also i am running NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED with everything maxed on seetings @resulution of 1280X1024.
My graphics card rolled out back somewhat between 2004-2005.But still its running smoothly(almost 2-3 years)!!
3 weeks back i have played the game(S.T.A.L.K.E.R) on my buddy's system who owns 2Gigs RAM,4400+,ASUS A8N32SLI Deluxe & game running smoothly but its not running smoothly on my system because i have 1 GB RAM & thats the min. requirement for the game.
AS in now i say u all people buy the second hand 6800 GS and don't even bother about the 7900 GT or GS because 6800 GS is still running fine with all those DX9 games & also u can get the 6800 GS for the lesser price than 7900 GT.
Now tell me what is more worth buying the 6800 GS or 7900 GT or 8600 GTS?

 

[gannu_rox]

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Hmmm... I guess 6800 GS frm d explanation tat u're tryin to giv...
Lo'l...

 

[Kniwor]

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Dude...........u are not paying attention at all!!!

Let other people decide :

1. Buy a X1950 pro for $135 & save $115(250-135=115) & sell your card after 15 months of worth $135 for $35 because it doesn't run the DX10 content & add add $200 to get a 8800 GTX.

or


2.Save your $135 & don't buy anything and after 15 months Add $200 more i.e $200+$135=$335 & be a proud owner of 8900 GTS(something like that)

or

3.Buy a card for $250 & show your bling...bling...& even after 15 months ur card is still surviving but with a little nick of a lag,but u still enjoy all the gaming fun of DX10 & DX9.

Hey thanks, u summed it up really well, and now let the people decide. Thanks again.

I will personally go with option 1, (I pay a total $300, that too in future, I stay with a good card all the time, and end up with a 8800GTX) against option 3 (I pay total 250, that too now, end up with 8600GTS).