Arsenal_Gunners
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the U.S. has its prisons full of green skinned aliens.
the U.S. has its prisons full of green skinned aliens.
Do UFOs/Aliens exist, is Time Travel possible and more...
blackpearl
The Devil
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Time is a dimension, its the 4th dimension. Time isn't what we see on our watch, actually. Its some kind of a property that changes with velocity. Its difficult to explain because nobody really knows about it much.
You should read this discussion here
*www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=147073
yamaraj said:
Time is a dimension, its the 4th dimension. Time isn't what we see on our watch, actually. Its some kind of a property that changes with velocity. Its difficult to explain because nobody really knows about it much.
You should read this discussion here
*www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=147073
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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I'm currently in the process of writing a reply to Raaabo's post, so please hold your horses until I finish with it.
I highly disagree. Is there any concrete scientific proof to back your emphasized statement? Only because Einstein thought of it as 4th dimension, accepting it as "The Truth" would only validate my claim that science indeed is a modernized religion. That there is a blind following and a sense of elitism among the enlightened few.blackpearl said:
I'm currently in the process of writing a reply to Raaabo's post, so please hold your horses until I finish with it.
blackpearl
The Devil
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^^^ You want "concrete scintific proof"? just look around dude and do some reading rather than wasting your time arguing here. 100 years have passed since Einstein proposed the theory of relativity and it has remained unchallenged till now. Do you really think scientist and physicist are nuts to believe in something that isn't proved? and that too for 100 yrs?? Do you think they believe in the theory of relativity just because he was Einstein? Nobody knew einstein when he gave that theory and nobody believed in him either, and besides he was just 26 years old!!! Yes, only 26, the age when most people are still struggling with basic physics and calculus. Most people laughed him off!! It was only after several years and after countless experiments did his theories were accepted.
You really need to do some good reading.
^^^ You want "concrete scintific proof"? just look around dude and do some reading rather than wasting your time arguing here. 100 years have passed since Einstein proposed the theory of relativity and it has remained unchallenged till now. Do you really think scientist and physicist are nuts to believe in something that isn't proved? and that too for 100 yrs?? Do you think they believe in the theory of relativity just because he was Einstein? Nobody knew einstein when he gave that theory and nobody believed in him either, and besides he was just 26 years old!!! Yes, only 26, the age when most people are still struggling with basic physics and calculus. Most people laughed him off!! It was only after several years and after countless experiments did his theories were accepted.
You really need to do some good reading.
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Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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^ No offense, but you need to widen your thought process. And, I've done more reading on the subject than "most" lurking around this thread. There is no such thing as "eternal truth" or "absolute" in science, per se. Newton's theory held on for more than two centuries before it was proved not to work in some situations. That's the reason Einstein came up with his Theory of Relativity. But, even this theory doesn't work, or come up with expected results in some cases. Scientists have long been trying to overcome these limitations by searching for a more Universal theory, and inventing parallel Universes, Ether, Dark Matter, Neutralino etc.
Do you even know what a "dimension" is? Time cannot be the 4th dimension, for it doesn't qualify as a spatial dimension. You cannot move backward or forward in time.
How many of you actually think that "theories" like Big Bang, String and M-theory cannot be, or haven't been challenged? In fact, to merely qualify as a hypethesis/proposition/theory, the idea must at least be falsifiable.
Next time, think twice before you come up with childish comments.
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First of all - why prefer Christianity/Bible/Church to seemingly more tolerant religions that embrace scientific discoveries quite well and often end up having different branches and spin-offs dealing with these issues? Semitic "religions" are only cults with huge follower-base. You seem to ignore the fact that Hinduism was/is quite open to scientific ideas.
No, I didn't get the drift, for it presented a very biased view to me.
Not quite! If you were familiar with the inherent politics of scientific community, you wouldn't have said that. Your "proof" could outright be ignored and laughed at, depending on the mood and affliation of the scientific community members. History is full of such examples.
Besides, you couldn't prove/reproduce the same miracles with the help of science when these religions flourished some 2000 years ago, could you?
These are not my words. You'll immediately recognize at least some of it, if you keep a close watch on the latest scientific news and researches.
^ No offense, but you need to widen your thought process. And, I've done more reading on the subject than "most" lurking around this thread. There is no such thing as "eternal truth" or "absolute" in science, per se. Newton's theory held on for more than two centuries before it was proved not to work in some situations. That's the reason Einstein came up with his Theory of Relativity. But, even this theory doesn't work, or come up with expected results in some cases. Scientists have long been trying to overcome these limitations by searching for a more Universal theory, and inventing parallel Universes, Ether, Dark Matter, Neutralino etc.
Do you even know what a "dimension" is? Time cannot be the 4th dimension, for it doesn't qualify as a spatial dimension. You cannot move backward or forward in time.
How many of you actually think that "theories" like Big Bang, String and M-theory cannot be, or haven't been challenged? In fact, to merely qualify as a hypethesis/proposition/theory, the idea must at least be falsifiable.
Next time, think twice before you come up with childish comments.
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It's a very personal opinion, and a flawed one to begin with.Raaabo said:
Raaabo said:
First of all - why prefer Christianity/Bible/Church to seemingly more tolerant religions that embrace scientific discoveries quite well and often end up having different branches and spin-offs dealing with these issues? Semitic "religions" are only cults with huge follower-base. You seem to ignore the fact that Hinduism was/is quite open to scientific ideas.
No, I didn't get the drift, for it presented a very biased view to me.
Raaabo said:
Not quite! If you were familiar with the inherent politics of scientific community, you wouldn't have said that. Your "proof" could outright be ignored and laughed at, depending on the mood and affliation of the scientific community members. History is full of such examples.
Besides, you couldn't prove/reproduce the same miracles with the help of science when these religions flourished some 2000 years ago, could you?
And, science is based on observations, which are in turn dependent on our senses and limitations of human understanding. Just like we don't expect rats to build rockets and fly great distances, we also cannot claim to have enough brainpower to know-it-all.Raaabo said:
While it may not be as apparant to the "common man", there is a lot of faith and belief going on within the scientific community. There are theories without any proof, and even many theoretical physicists disagree with them. Yet, most of the populations takes theories like Big Bang and String theory for granted. In fact, theoretical physics is closer to fiction/religion than it is to the "traditional" scientific ways. Do you know that the Dark Matter accounts for more than 96% of the whole Universe(which is a very misleading term itself)? Yet, it cannot be proved to exist as it doesn't consist of atoms, but still has mass. Do you understand that traditional geometry fails to explain the time-space curvature? Yet, it *seemingly* solves most of the "Earthly" problems. Do you know that many biologists disagree with the Darwinian logic? And that, we've not yet found the sources of 223 genes in the Human Genome? And that, scientists claim to know all about the elements, atoms, molecules ...but still the very Particle Physics is proved to be wrong by the String or M-theory? That, we may be living in a simulation? Or that, there exist parellel universes with infinite dimensions? Or maybe the "Multiverse" is only a vibration produced by the tubular and plasma-like strings in other dimensions?Raaabo said:
These are not my words. You'll immediately recognize at least some of it, if you keep a close watch on the latest scientific news and researches.
There is bottom line, no black/white, no Yin/Yang or nothing like so easily defined as Good and Evil in science. There are no concrete evidences in science, much to the same as in case of religions. Why does science come up with as loud a theory as the Big Bang, but fails to explain what existed before it, or what caused it to happen? If it's not some (overdose of) faith or belief in science, how else would you explain it?Raaabo said:
Your "explanation" is more suitable for the title of a "believer".Raaabo said:
It's rather interesting to see how my fellow "ametuer" scientists are trying to define "Time", which has been described as "one of the concepts that is profoundly resistant to a simple definition" by Carl Sagan. Similar explanations were given by Kip Thorne and Stephen Hawking.Raaabo said:
Sorry, I didn't read after the first line of the quoted paragraph. There simply exists nothing as a straight line or a plane in the space-time continuum.Raaabo said:
I'm not qualified enough to think about a time-travel.Raaabo said:
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Arsenal_Gunners
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whats about the wormhole concept of time travel.it is better than travelling at light speed
whats about the wormhole concept of time travel.it is better than travelling at light speed
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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I've put some effort in studying the wormhole idea. It'd take very large amount of energy, almost equivalent to that of a whole Galaxy to create one through a "hypothetically bent plane of Universe (laughable)", and even then, the hole would only be around a billionth-of-1mm wide for anything to travel through.
Stranger than fiction, indeed!
It's an uttely rubbish concept, much to the fate and likes of dozens of others in theoretical physics. Even the Hindu mythological idea of the whole "reality" being only a dream of Vishnu is better than this!vimal_mehrotra said:
I've put some effort in studying the wormhole idea. It'd take very large amount of energy, almost equivalent to that of a whole Galaxy to create one through a "hypothetically bent plane of Universe (laughable)", and even then, the hole would only be around a billionth-of-1mm wide for anything to travel through.
Stranger than fiction, indeed!
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Arsenal_Gunners
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do black holes have to do anything with time travel?
do black holes have to do anything with time travel?
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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Most physicists don't agree, or aren't sure, on a common theory as to what happens on the other side of the black hole. But a shared "belief" is the concept of Singularity.
As Prof. Mike Disney says, "Cosmology is close to the religion". My fellow Digit'ers may disagree, but they're simply not qualified enough.
Not in my opinion. But a more general question would be - does anything have to do with time travel at all? Time travel fans will always come up with ideas to satiate their lust for the same. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them tried getting through a toilet pipe, if they were led to believe it was a way to travel through time.vimal_mehrotra said:
Most physicists don't agree, or aren't sure, on a common theory as to what happens on the other side of the black hole. But a shared "belief" is the concept of Singularity.
As Prof. Mike Disney says, "Cosmology is close to the religion". My fellow Digit'ers may disagree, but they're simply not qualified enough.
Arsenal_Gunners
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do you believe in parallel universes?
do you believe in parallel universes?
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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In short, philosophy begins where science ends. But these physicists with their ego problems, are only making things worse. Science has eventually turned itself into the same thing it had vowed to fight against.
Sorry, I'm not qualified enough to comment on the concept of Parallel Universes. But, what surprises me is how good these cosmologists are at fabricating complex ideas only to support their theories. For example, to counter the fine-tuning of the Cosmological constant, they came up with Multiverses comcept, to keep the Big Bang theory viable, they consistently revise and make additions to the "standard model" of Cosmology, and to keep the Strings-theory alive, which was dying a slow and painful death, they didn't hesitate to fabricate Parallel Universes, the 11th dimension, and ultimately the M-theory.vimal_mehrotra said:
In short, philosophy begins where science ends. But these physicists with their ego problems, are only making things worse. Science has eventually turned itself into the same thing it had vowed to fight against.
Arsenal_Gunners
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are you trying to say scientists are proposing rubbish to support previously given
theories?why would they do so?
are you trying to say scientists are proposing rubbish to support previously given
theories?why would they do so?
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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There may well be a very benevolent idea behind all this - to keep funding for researches alive and well. Otherwise, the Governments would stop funding scientific research, labs and universities would have to be closed down if it was discovered that understanding the Universe isn't possible.
Just think about it - our own galaxy "The Milky Way", which is only of an average size in the "observable Universe", is no less than 100,000 light-years in diameter. The Sun, which is the center of attraction in our solar system, is only one of the 400 billion stars in the Milky Way. And there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the "observable Universe" alone. That put aside, all this mass accounts for only 4% of matter in the Universe. Rest are thought to be "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy"!
Now, we don't have to assume that the Universe expands beyond our capability of observation. It could very well be infinite, because we can't tell for sure. And these bright cosmologists have been talking about the birth and death of the Universe for decades. What chances their worthless theories stand against the sheer infinity of the Universe? Are we really capable of understanding even what the Universe itself is, let alone how it was "born"?
Let me assure you, they (cosmologists) will continue modifying, enhancing and fabricating theories to satiate their ego - that they know and can describe everything. Nobody has an ego as great as does a mathematician or a physicist. They'll never cease to amuse me.
There may well be a very benevolent idea behind all this - to keep funding for researches alive and well. Otherwise, the Governments would stop funding scientific research, labs and universities would have to be closed down if it was discovered that understanding the Universe isn't possible.
Just think about it - our own galaxy "The Milky Way", which is only of an average size in the "observable Universe", is no less than 100,000 light-years in diameter. The Sun, which is the center of attraction in our solar system, is only one of the 400 billion stars in the Milky Way. And there are more than 100 billion galaxies in the "observable Universe" alone. That put aside, all this mass accounts for only 4% of matter in the Universe. Rest are thought to be "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy"!
Now, we don't have to assume that the Universe expands beyond our capability of observation. It could very well be infinite, because we can't tell for sure. And these bright cosmologists have been talking about the birth and death of the Universe for decades. What chances their worthless theories stand against the sheer infinity of the Universe? Are we really capable of understanding even what the Universe itself is, let alone how it was "born"?
Let me assure you, they (cosmologists) will continue modifying, enhancing and fabricating theories to satiate their ego - that they know and can describe everything. Nobody has an ego as great as does a mathematician or a physicist. They'll never cease to amuse me.
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Arsenal_Gunners
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are you a science student or what?
are you a science student or what?
Arsenal_Gunners
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i just want to know how you know so much about these things.the way you are talking seems you are an alien yourself.
just kidding ofcourse thank you for the info.
i just want to know how you know so much about these things.the way you are talking seems you are an alien yourself.
just kidding ofcourse thank you for the info.
Yamaraj
The Lord of Death
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I'm a post-grad CS student, with more than a passing interest in the Nature, the Cosmos, the reality and self-conciousness. I think, both religion and the present-day science are quite limited in what they can do to make us understand ourselves better. Both have been trying for long, but the efforts fall somewhat short of expectations.
That said, there's a definite place for philosophy in between the two. I also tend to think that future "versions" of Homo Sapiens will be armed with better understanding and knowledge to overleap what we're unable to achieve or grasp today. This is the very evolution that makes us different from the first Homo Sapiens that ever walked the Earth.
I'm a post-grad CS student, with more than a passing interest in the Nature, the Cosmos, the reality and self-conciousness. I think, both religion and the present-day science are quite limited in what they can do to make us understand ourselves better. Both have been trying for long, but the efforts fall somewhat short of expectations.
That said, there's a definite place for philosophy in between the two. I also tend to think that future "versions" of Homo Sapiens will be armed with better understanding and knowledge to overleap what we're unable to achieve or grasp today. This is the very evolution that makes us different from the first Homo Sapiens that ever walked the Earth.
Arsenal_Gunners
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very true indeed.
very true indeed.
hash!!
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so my dumb analysis....
religion is basically crap and based on myths... nuthn really happened... the intelligent ppl back in time ddnt really know wht could possibly get the commoners to follow em and become their minions... that marked the birth of religion... as of today, i believe in god as my backup plan, atleast i dun hvta say "sciencedamn you!" or "oh science!" or "science hi sabka maalik hai" for that reason... (yeaaa.. i saw southpark's wii episode)
science on the other hand, is a set of make-believe things, supported by visible effects... science is alright... thanks to science, we earn, learn and have good computers...
it isnt really evolution that marks us apart... its human goddamned nature... its our incessant ability to think and reason thats gotten us here tday... religion just gives us a bunch of rules/superstitions/beliefs...
it is absurd to compare science and religion as such... science is fact and practical... religion is belief, storybook-ish or some fairytale we all like to believe in...
evolution just put us here... its our twisted brains that gave birth to the bombs and the medicines...
and the future of us, is really a machine or sumthn... not like "them-robots-gonna-take-over-mankind"... more like a system where every1's gonna be spending a good part of his/her life workin...
or maybe not?
i curse my cynical view... but then, it makes sense to me....
look at us grow...
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ps: anybody seen this movie called "alien autopsy" ? if ure readin this thread, u really shld...
okay... the great debate, and the question itself, flawed...Yamaraj said:
so my dumb analysis....
religion is basically crap and based on myths... nuthn really happened... the intelligent ppl back in time ddnt really know wht could possibly get the commoners to follow em and become their minions... that marked the birth of religion... as of today, i believe in god as my backup plan, atleast i dun hvta say "sciencedamn you!" or "oh science!" or "science hi sabka maalik hai" for that reason... (yeaaa.. i saw southpark's wii episode)
science on the other hand, is a set of make-believe things, supported by visible effects... science is alright... thanks to science, we earn, learn and have good computers...
it isnt really evolution that marks us apart... its human goddamned nature... its our incessant ability to think and reason thats gotten us here tday... religion just gives us a bunch of rules/superstitions/beliefs...
it is absurd to compare science and religion as such... science is fact and practical... religion is belief, storybook-ish or some fairytale we all like to believe in...
evolution just put us here... its our twisted brains that gave birth to the bombs and the medicines...
and the future of us, is really a machine or sumthn... not like "them-robots-gonna-take-over-mankind"... more like a system where every1's gonna be spending a good part of his/her life workin...
or maybe not?
i curse my cynical view... but then, it makes sense to me....
look at us grow...
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ps: anybody seen this movie called "alien autopsy" ? if ure readin this thread, u really shld...
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Arsenal_Gunners
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i dont think religion is totally crap.i am not a religious person but i mean man they should have seen something to write, they did not just made it up.
i dont think religion is totally crap.i am not a religious person but i mean man they should have seen something to write, they did not just made it up.