Camera talk...

[nac]

Nac what ever you get...check that it has sufficient buttons to quickly change the setup without looking at the screen .

I think canon has reduced the buttons on 70D and included touch screen, it seems innovative but not so much when you want to change setting on fly or you are shooting in rains .
I may seems bit old style, but button layout really effects a lot.

That's kinda tough, that would cost a lot. As of now, I am just thinking about the very basic one, cheapest possible. I thought about used cameras, but almost all the time people quote more than my valuation. So dropped that idea.

70D and 80D have the exact same button layout. Even 77D has very similar layout, lacks few button on the top. But it makes up for that with navigation button on the back of the camera. 760D is pretty much the same as 77D, except AF ON button.

 

[sujoyp]

if layout or UI is really important then prefer canon. those menu navigation in nikon is tiresome, but gradually we get used to it

 

[CRACING]

@sujoyp

Can the muli selector button in Nikon be customized to directly access things like ISO, WB, AF mode and all like in Canon?

The multi selector works as focus point or AF selector while taking photos and there isn't any other way for that. Hence it cannot be customized.

My D3200 and previous models have 4 way selector whereas D3300 and newer models have 8 way selector, that helps select focus points diagonally.

To change focus point in Canon 77D, 760D and etc, first you'll have to press AF point selection button and then use multi controller. In Nikon DSLRs, you can directly use multi-selector to change focus point.

I have set Fn button for ISO and Advance Mode Button (Bearded rectangle) helps to switch between single and Continuous frames. AF is set to AF-S and AF-area to single point focus. To change these, we have to negative in the main screen but I rarely change these. As of WB, I shoot RAW so not required to do that within the camera. To change EV, there is specific button for that near shutter release button. Hold the button and twist the mode dial. In manual mode, the same button works as aperture selector.

Many people say Nikon has unfriendly UI and/or buttons but I had no such issues. I just love those left side buttons and its my first preference when choosing my next DSLR. I don't really care about fancy features like flip, tilt, touch screens.

 

[raja manuel]

Among Canon's many announcements today is a new flash for macro photography that is a mere $1,000.
Moral of the story: If you complain about the price of flashguns, you will get one so expensive the ones you were complaining about will seem cheap in comparison

 

[izzikio_rage]

Ha ha.... But a Rs 65000 makes even most cameras seem cheap

 

[raja manuel]

Don't say that!!! God knows what insane price tag you will see on a lens cap next.

 

[CRACING]

Hello Friends,

I thought to sell my DSLR kit if it goes for good price and buy D5300 with AF-P 70-300mm. I have listed my D3200+18-55mm+55-200mm on olx few days ago and its yet to be sold. Meanwhile, I got a buyer who is interested to buy 55-200mm only and I couldn't understand what to do. Others are low-balling or no response.

As you all know, D3200 is very basic dslr and lacks many important functions. I was new to dslr at the time of buying it and didn't thought much about features but after 20 months, now I feel very limited. I am not interested in flip screens in D5000 series and I also miss left side buttons on that series but I have no other options. Cannot go again for D3000 series nor I can afford D7000 series (new) atm.

Whats useful for me on D5300: Improved sensor and faster processor, much better auto focus system and exposure metering sensor, wide range of ISO selection (i.e 100, 125, 160, 200, 250.... whereas in D3200 its very limited, 100, 200, 400, 800), 39 focus points including 9 cross type, AE bracketing, wireless remote control via mobile and etc.

On the other hand, I wanted to go for AF-P 70-300mm which is a good lens for the given price but its 1/3rd stops slower at 300mm then AF-S 55-300mm. f6.3 and f5.6 respectively. May be it doesn't make much of a difference. At 200mm, it is f5.3 which is slightly better then my existing 55-200mm lens.

I have couple of options and need advice:

1. Sell my camera kit and 55-200mm. Go for D5300 dual lens kit. My preference.
2. Sell my camera kit only and keep 55-200mm. Go for D5300 body only or with 18-55mm. Gives more camera options but same reach. I can manage for sometime.
3. Sell 55-200mm and keep camera kit. Go for AF-S 55-300mm. Only gives more reach but still I'm limited in camera options.
4. Sell camera kit and keep 55-200mm. Look for used D7000 or D7100 body. Not sure if I can find it within my budget or I could afford one.

Thanks...
Best Regards

 

[sujoyp]

I want to reply you but I am too busy in office. will get back to you in evening.

 

[CRACING]

I want to reply you but I am too busy in office. will get back to you in evening.

No problem bro, take your time.

 

[sujoyp]

ok first , I always tell people not to buy the base DSLR and get mid level DSLR . I myself used D3100 and I know the shortcommings very well.
But now that you have used it for 20 months and want to explore ahead, I wont recommend getting a midranger.
Just jump directly to D7xxx series. Its just too much better then D3xxx in every way. I suggest getting used D7100 as D7000 is too old.

For how much are you selling your D3200+18-55 ...I dont think it will go more then 12-14k as it can be get for as low as 19k till last diwali.
What is the total budget for next DSLR and lens.
There is a huge difference between f5.6 and f6.3 . consider that.

 

[CRACING]

ok first , I always tell people not to buy the base DSLR and get mid level DSLR . I myself used D3100 and I know the shortcommings very well.
But now that you have used it for 20 months and want to explore ahead, I wont recommend getting a midranger.
Just jump directly to D7xxx series. Its just too much better then D3xxx in every way. I suggest getting used D7100 as D7000 is too old.

For how much are you selling your D3200+18-55 ...I dont think it will go more then 12-14k as it can be get for as low as 19k till last diwali.
What is the total budget for next DSLR and lens.
There is a huge difference between f5.6 and f6.3 . consider that.

Wish I know that before but anyway, I learnt lot from it and now I'm more confident in going deeper.

As of D7xxx series, I'm not a professional nor I own highend lens, so I'll not be able to make full use of it. In simple words, its just too highend for my usage and heavy.

I'm expecting around 25k including 55-200mm lens and if it sells, I will add 15k and buy D5300 dual lens kit. Costs 40k effectively on Paytm.

For 40k I can also get used D7100 but it comes with 18-105mm which I'm not interested. I'll have to sell that lens, wait for some days, add 10k more and get af-s 55-300mm.

 

[nac]

Is it really worth to jump from 3000 to 5000 series esp. for those few extra features?

 

[sujoyp]

Wish I know that before but anyway, I learnt lot from it and now I'm more confident in going deeper.

As of D7xxx series, I'm not a professional nor I own highend lens, so I'll not be able to make full use of it. In simple words, its just too highend for my usage and heavy.

I'm expecting around 25k including 55-200mm lens and if it sells, I will add 15k and buy D5300 dual lens kit. Costs 40k effectively on Paytm.

For 40k I can also get used D7100 but it comes with 18-105mm which I'm not interested. I'll have to sell that lens, wait for some days, add 10k more and get af-s 55-300mm.

My answer is going to disappoint you

D7xxx series is not the professional series of Nikon. Dxxx series like D3xx, D5xx, D6xx, D7xx, D8xx are the professional series. D7xxx is just for knowledgable enthusiasts. My D7000 have all the feature I require anyday from bracketing to support of legacy lens..from taking 1000 shot on single charge to magnesium alloy body which is partly wetherproof . Its focus system may sound same with 39AF point and 9cross but its way faster to focus.

25k for D3200+18-55+55-200 wont be a good deal for me but now prices have increased, good luck

do you really want a combo lens. why not get a prime lens like 35mm for now and get the better body. you can slowly get the telephoto lens later. or if telephoto lens is the requirement then dont sell 55-200 now.

 

[CRACING]

Is it really worth to jump from 3000 to 5000 series esp. for those few extra features?

I believe so but I have no urgency in upgrading. Also it will be easy on pocket to jump slowly then a big jump.

I have mentioned those that are worth for me but there are more features too. Like, no AA filter, better low light ISO, 14bit RAW, 5.0 fps and etc. Plus I can buy more AF-P lenses in future.

My answer is going to disappoint you

D7xxx series is not the professional series of Nikon. Dxxx series like D3xx, D5xx, D6xx, D7xx, D8xx are the professional series. D7xxx is just for knowledgable enthusiasts. My D7000 have all the feature I require anyday from bracketing to support of legacy lens..from taking 1000 shot on single charge to magnesium alloy body which is partly wetherproof . Its focus system may sound same with 39AF point and 9cross but its way faster to focus.

25k for D3200+18-55+55-200 wont be a good deal for me but now prices have increased, good luck

do you really want a combo lens. why not get a prime lens like 35mm for now and get the better body. you can slowly get the telephoto lens later. or if telephoto lens is the requirement then dont sell 55-200 now.

My heart wishes for D7100 but mind is not ready for it now. Anyhow I have to sell my camera first before I can decide on body. Camera prices have increased and my camera still has 4+ months warranty so I think now its the right time to sell it.

I already have 35mm which I'm not going to sell but I also need telephoto lens for bird photography. My 55-200 is very limited for that and I thought to go for 70-300mm. Unfortunately my D3200 doesn't support it so upgrading is the option. Buying 55-300mm for D3200 gives more reach but similar image quality and auto focus.

 

[izzikio_rage]

Unless you have really crazy deals going on the main lenses, Legacy lenses are a great way to test new lenses. Plus if you have an enthusiastic group with same mount cameras you can always share lenses

Trust me, any body you buy will always miss some features that you'll want later. So dont sweat it too much

 

[raja manuel]

wide range of ISO selection (i.e 100, 125, 160, 200, 250.... whereas in D3200 its very limited, 100, 200, 400, 800)

Unless you do a lot of flash photography playing with lighting ratios these in-between ISO levels are not of much use. They are usually software generated steps, not hardware gain. Shoot in raw and post process to get much better results for those in-between steps.

 

[Siddhartht]

Sorry for jumping in late, but why not a mirrorless @CRACING ?
A6000 as far as I know allows enough level of control you will need, and then some more. While it might not be as good as Nikon 7xxx, the sensor is same (similar, Nikon uses Sony sensor. Go canon if you want a better live view performance) and if you work with raws, it doesn't make a difference at all.
As for the lenses, I think Sony has focal length which you require as kit lenses (and then some G series lens which you don't really need), but I wouldn't vouch for them (or Nikon kit lenses for that matter). 14 bit raw is overrated, mostly because when you push shadows, you are degrading the image quality anyway (unless you go for precise local adjustments).
Also, look at Olympus OM-D E-M10 mark ii/iii . They have stabilized sensor, excellent handling and are a joy to use. And if you can, look for Fuji T-20 too, which has a slightly different color filter and features which even Nikon 7xxx series don't have.
The thing is, when you are buying a new camera, you are investing in the system - mirrorless is the future. If you want a DSLR styled camera, then go for Canon just because the lenses will be compatible with existing and future mirrorless.

Read this about bit depth : Raw bit depth is about dynamic range, not the number of colors you get to capture

 

[CRACING]

Unless you have really crazy deals going on the main lenses, Legacy lenses are a great way to test new lenses. Plus if you have an enthusiastic group with same mount cameras you can always share lenses
Trust me, any body you buy will always miss some features that you'll want later. So dont sweat it too much

Sorry I didn't get your first sentence. Wish I could test similar lenses but I couldn't afford two lenses same time. Either I have to keep 55-200mm which is my 2nd favorite lens (First is 35mm) or sell it and go for 70-300mm. Other lenses are not easily afford for me or I don't have to invest much.

As of sharing lenses, I don't know anybody who uses DSLR and if any, it will be Canon.

Last line is true. Its worth to spend on lenses then body but I'm looking for upgrade to D5300 just because it supports AF-P.
I been waiting for Nikon since many months to update D3200 firmware so that it supports AF-P but I have lost the hopes now.

Unless you do a lot of flash photography playing with lighting ratios these in-between ISO levels are not of much use. They are usually software generated steps, not hardware gain. Shoot in raw and post process to get much better results for those in-between steps.

I use manual flash light for indoor photography and I think wide range of ISOs may help a little but yes, it can be altered in post process too.

@Siddhartht

Sorry, but I'm not really interested in mirrorless and any other brands. Because I'm into Nikon system and cannot switch now. My favorite lens is 35mm.

Yes, I always shoot in RAW so thanks for the link. I will surely read about RAW bit depth.

Update:

On olx, people are low-balling like 18k for dual lens kit which isn't worth to sell. Those people don't know anything about dslr's, spec and value.

Anyway, I will keep the sale going and look forward for serious buyers.

 

[sujoyp]

Cracing even I had to sell my d3100 kit for 10k as people were getting new for 18k

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[CRACING]

Cracing even I had to sell my d3100 kit for 10k as people were getting new for 18k

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hmm.

If I don't get reasonable offers then I'll postpone the sale to next year. Meanwhile if I find good offers for 55-200mm then I'll sell it and buy 55-300mm.