buying new pc under 60 -65 k

[rayfire]

Why not w8 for HD 8000 series ?

 

[gagan_kumar]

Speculations suggest that they will b too much costly and they'll deliver almost similar performance with few tweaks...

 

[vickybat]

Spoiler

Mate,the boost is available for all reference hd7950s.A reference gtx660ti was compared to a normal hd7950 not a factory overclocked one.I don't see any unfair comparison here.
A sapphire vapor-x hd7950 can be found for ~22k which can also give the other custom gtx660Ti a run for there money.

Now,the gameplay with Hitman Absolution was quite good with hd7950 but was not good with gtx660ti.Nowhere did they report of bad game play experience with hd7950.
HD7950 was smoother in Hitman absolution,you can't override that fact.Another thing that ~50% deficit in fps to hd7950 at highest playable settings can't be compensated by a custom card by much.
If gtx660ti can be overclocked so can be an hd7950.
In Far Cry3 also nothing dramatically wrong with hd7950 was reported by hardocp.


Talking about the latency spikes that are seen in case of hd7950.First of all they are not that frequent in all titles.
Even in the test by techreport that can be seen in some games that it is not that frequent in every game.
In the games in that article you will notice that the latency for hd7950 were different in windows7 and windows8 often lower in windows8.
Check this
You can see with different catalyst drivers the average latency was different.This issue can be worked upon by drivers.

AMD has admitted to this issue and has said it would work upon it.

We have to see all aspects of the card and image quality level is also one of them and can't be overlooked.
HD7950 clearly maintains the lead in outright performance and image quality levels.
Smoothness is subjective.
"With hd7950 one would be able to get higher frame-rates for a certain AA levels which maybe quite less in case of gtx660ti to be as playable/smooth as hd7950".
For games like Far Cry3 radeon was better as it could go a step up in image quality.
In Hitman Absolution without doubt HD7950 was smoother than gtx660ti at 1080p with highest im-game settings.It was more playable.

Well hitman absolution is an AMD title and belongs to the AMD evolved program. Even a 670 performs lower than a 7950 boost in that game at fullhd with 8x msaa.
But at 2560x1600, its nvidia again at front except for the 660-ti.

In far cry 3, its a close call and both are almost neck and neck at fullhd and both were playable with 4xmsaa with alpha to coverage enhanced.
No image quality advantage for 7950 here.

*i.imgur.com/zI9NB.gif

But if we refer the link op provided, out of 7 games tested, the following is a quick summary:

Games @ 1080p	Sapphire 7950 vapor-x	Zotac 660-ti amp
Sleeping Dogs	36fps	32fps
Assassin's Creed 3	38 fps	68 fps
Hitman Absolution	61 fps	39 fps
Medal Of Honour Warfigher	41 fps	42 fps
Skyrim	69 fps	74 fps
Guild Wars 2	62 fps	61 fps
Borderlands 2	64 fps	72 fps
Far cry 3	33.7 fps	31.6 fps

In the above table 660-ti wins 4 titles whereas 7950 wins in other 4. I would consider guild wars 2 and MOH to be a tie coz the fps difference is 1.
If 7950 wins big in hitman absolution then 660-ti wins big in Assassin's creed 3. Note that there is no advantage of image quality for 7950 here as both were playable in same settings and level of AA in 1080p.

So i don't see a reason why 7950 is a comprehensive and unanimous suggestion over 660-ti. From op's context 1080p matters and i don't see 660-ti to be weak anywhere. In fact it does show a strong showing against a 7950 which is undeniable and can't be overridden.

I simply don't understand why people suggest 7950 blindly to people gaming at 1080p. Just my query and i'm not confusing op here.
7950 is a good card no doubt but is it really that good to completely overshadow 660-ti? I don't see it doing at 1080p.

 

[gagan_kumar]

Well hitman absolution is an AMD title and belongs to the AMD evolved program. Even a 670 performs lower than a 7950 boost in that game at fullhd with 8x msaa.
But at 2560x1600, its nvidia again at front except for the 660-ti.

In far cry 3, its a close call and both are almost neck and neck at fullhd and both were playable with 4xmsaa with alpha to coverage enhanced.
No image quality advantage for 7950 here.

*i.imgur.com/zI9NB.gif

But if we refer the link op provided, out of 7 games tested, the following is a quick summary:

Games @ 1080p	Sapphire 7950 vapor-x	Zotac 660-ti amp
Sleeping Dogs	36fps	32fps
Assassin's Creed 3	38 fps	68 fps
Hitman Absolution	61 fps	39 fps
Medal Of Honour Warfigher	41 fps	42 fps
Skyrim	69 fps	74 fps
Guild Wars 2	62 fps	61 fps
Borderlands 2	64 fps	72 fps
Far cry 3	33.7 fps	31.6 fps

In the above table 660-ti wins 4 titles whereas 7950 wins in other 4. I would consider guild wars 2 and MOH to be a tie coz the fps difference is 1.
If 7950 wins big in hitman absolution then 660-ti wins big in Assassin's creed 3. Note that there is no advantage of image quality for 7950 here as both were playable in same settings and level of AA in 1080p.

So i don't see a reason why 7950 is a comprehensive and unanimous suggestion over 660-ti. From op's context 1080p matters and i don't see 660-ti to be weak anywhere. In fact it does show a strong showing against a 7950 which is undeniable and can't be overridden.

I simply don't understand why people suggest 7950 blindly to people gaming at 1080p. Just my query and i'm not confusing op here.
7950 is a good card no doubt but is it really that good to completely overshadow 660-ti? I don't see it doing at 1080p.

its not like that people suggested me both gtx 660 and 7950 they told at 1080p both will give same performance but at higher resolution 7950 dominates

At first I was thinking of going with nvidia one I didn't even knew about these amd series
but when i got to know about it, the price and specs it started looking as a good alternative
largely I have played games that promoted nvidia like unreal tournament(all series)

 

[vickybat]

its not like that people suggested me both gtx 660 and 7950 they told at 1080p both will give same performance but at higher resolution 7950 dominates

At first I was thinking of going with nvidia one I didn't even knew about these amd series
but when i got to know about it, the price and specs it started looking as a good alternative
largely I have played games that promoted nvidia like unreal tournament(all series)

Yeah mate that's more like it. 7950 definitely has advantage at ultrahigh resolutions over 660-ti owing to its wide memory bus. But no advantage in 1080p worth telling a tale.
660-ti's 192 bit bus cripples it at higher resolutions when tinkering with AA.

But the upcoming TXAA is considered to be the answer for cards having lower bus width but still get same or better quality AA as MSAA without significant loss in performance.
Its currently implemented in Call Of duty black ops 2 and Assassin's creed 3 and show a lot of promise. Crysis 3 will be the first shader heavy game to implement this and if it manages to outshine the highest MSAA settings without significant fps drop, then it will be really worth considering.

TXAA is completely an nvidia feature and exclusive to kepler cards.I won't force this unto you or anybody until we see some positive results against MSAA in crysis 3.

My suggestion for you is to go for the cheaper card between the two.

 

[gagan_kumar]

(i got the game of the year title unreal tournament 2004 as a demo with digit magazine in playware and mindware)

 

[vkl]

Spoiler

Well hitman absolution is an AMD title and belongs to the AMD evolved program. Even a 670 performs lower than a 7950 boost in that game at fullhd with 8x msaa.
But at 2560x1600, its nvidia again at front except for the 660-ti.

In far cry 3, its a close call and both are almost neck and neck at fullhd and both were playable with 4xmsaa with alpha to coverage enhanced.
No image quality advantage for 7950 here.

*i.imgur.com/zI9NB.gif

But if we refer the link op provided, out of 7 games tested, the following is a quick summary:

Games @ 1080p	Sapphire 7950 vapor-x	Zotac 660-ti amp
Sleeping Dogs	36fps	32fps
Assassin's Creed 3	38 fps	68 fps
Hitman Absolution	61fps	39fps
Medal Of Honour Warfigher	41fps	42fps
Skyrim	69fps	74fps
Guild Wars 2	62fps	61fps
Borderlands 2	64fps	72fps
Far cry 3	33.7fps	31.6fps

In the above table 660-ti wins 4 titles whereas 7950 wins in other 4. I would consider guild wars 2 and MOH to be a tie coz the fps difference is 1.
If 7950 wins big in hitman absolution then 660-ti wins big in Assassin's creed 3. Note that there is no advantage of image quality for 7950 here as both were playable in same settings and level of AA in 1080p.

So i don't see a reason why 7950 is a comprehensive and unanimous suggestion over 660-ti. From op's context 1080p matters and i don't see 660-ti to be weak anywhere. In fact it does show a strong showing against a 7950 which is undeniable and can't be overridden.

I simply don't understand why people suggest 7950 blindly to people gaming at 1080p. Just my query and i'm not confusing op here.
7950 is a good card no doubt but is it really that good to completely overshadow 660-ti? I don't see it doing at 1080p.

Mate,in Far Cry3 test by hardocp at 1080p they had to turn off alpha to coverage at 2xMSAA and 16xAF with gtx660ti.
Different sites can come up with a little different results.
But still for majority of games hd7950 is ahead.
The PowerColor PCS+ HD7870 Myst review
Well in this review the Tahiti LE came out head to head with gtx660ti and the drivers used were catalyst12.11 for the radeon and the 310.70 forceware for gtx660ti.
Fall GPU comparison from most of the sites tell the story in favor of hd7950.
From most of the recent reviews hd7950 is a tad above gtx660ti.
Yes 310.70 is a performance update from nvidia,but we have to see a more clearer image as how it stands with hd7950.
The higher specs might become more relevant in more demanding games as the time passes by.

Presence of HT doesn't help in case of gaming at all. And that's the reason.
Same happened between 2500K & 2600.

Check my earlier posts I have already explained that.
For a quad core processor HT doesn't help in most of the cases in gaming.
In BF3 single player HT results in a little lower perfomance in case of quad core i7 while turning it off gives higher performance.
In case of i3 HT helps in many games,BF3 SP is an example.
And in BF3 MP, HT helps in performance for i3s and i7s.

 

[gagan_kumar]

Yeah mate that's more like it. 7950 definitely has advantage at ultrahigh resolutions over 660-ti owing to its wide memory bus. But no advantage in 1080p worth telling a tale.
660-ti's 192 bit bus cripples it at higher resolutions when tinkering with AA.

But the upcoming TXAA is considered to be the answer for cards having lower bus width but still get same or better quality AA as MSAA without significant loss in performance.
Its currently implemented in Call Of duty black ops 2 and Assassin's creed 3 and show a lot of promise. Crysis 3 will be the first shader heavy game to implement this and if it manages to outshine the highest MSAA settings without significant fps drop, then it will be really worth considering.

TXAA is completely an nvidia feature and exclusive to kepler cards.I won't force this unto you or anybody until we see some positive results against MSAA in crysis 3.

My suggestion for you is to go for the cheaper card between the two.

well the thing is at the time if purchase I'll compare the prices of both if difference is large I'll go with 660 and buy some other stuff like gaming mouse from the saving....

 

[hitman4]

well the thing is at the time if purchase I'll compare the prices of both if difference is large I'll go with 660 and buy some other stuff like gaming mouse from the saving....

hmmmm 660.... better go for 7870 then...

 

[Myth]

hmmmm 660.... better go for 7870 then...

I think OP meant to say 660Ti, not just 660.

 

[hitman4]

I think OP meant to say 660Ti, not just 660.

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[gagan_kumar]

Thanks all for your suggestions
anyone please suggest me a good cabinet and also will there be any need of extra cooling arrangement...

I live here in bangalore so temp is not that much high here during summer...

Also will Corsair CX600V2 be enough ?

 

[vkl]

CX600V2 is more than enough.If you can add a bit more then get GS600.
For cabinet get corsair carbide 400R ~4.8k.
Intel stock coolers are not good,in summers the temperatures can go high especially with i7 3770.
Add a CM Hyper TX3 EVO~1.4k,would suffce.

 

[mandarpalshikar]

The price difference between CX650V2 and GS600 is just around 600 rs. For Corsair, its like VS<CX<GS<TX<HX<AX
So its better to get GS600 at this price point of 4.5k

 

[skeletor]

Thanks all for your suggestions
anyone please suggest me a good cabinet and also will there be any need of extra cooling arrangement...

I live here in bangalore so temp is not that much high here during summer...

Also will Corsair CX600V2 be enough ?

It's enough for your PC. If you can spend more, then get GS600.

 

[d6bmg]

How nice!!
Now you guys started deleting posts which emphases on the flaws of suggestions (ofcourse in the name of 'off-topic posts').
Keep it up!!

 

[mandarpalshikar]

I stand with you d6bmg.
Same thing happened with me last week in one of the discussions. My post was deleted as well.

@Mods - please stop doing this. My sincere request once again. You seem to be favoring other "mods" when we try discuss or point out wrong info they posted.

 

[skeletor]

I'll tell you why I deleted the posts.

One guy says, CX600v2 is okay for his system. If he wants to spend more, he can get GS600.

Other guy jumps in and starts off with an argument, "What you are saying is wrong info. CX600v2 is a bad PSU etc. GS600 ftw." There are pleasant ways of making your point.

The other guy is trying to pick up an argument for no reason and derail the thread. Posts deleted.

 

[mandarpalshikar]

hmmm... you got a point there.

 

[gagan_kumar]

Thanks all can't wait for the next month just want to keep my handson this rig it will b huge....
For me it will b like 500-600 times performance upgrade
once again thanks all for suggesting this perfect rig....