Buying a new pc, need advice

Cilus

laborare est orare
plz suggest me a good MB for 635. hope the 635 has integrated gpu. diff between 635 and 955? is 955 worth the extra?

You are confused again. Intel Core i5 and i3 dual core series processors , fabricated in 32nm process are having integrated GPU (although, very crappy) inside their processor core, any other processors either Intel or AMD don't have it.
In case of AMD, most of the motherboards, based on AMD 790, 785 or 8XX (new ones) come with very good integrated graphics (mainly 3300, 4200 and 4250 or 4290 respectively), with 128 MB of dedicated DDR3 Vram (not shared from from your memory). So their performance is very good and even most of the games are playable in lower settings.

My suggestion for mobo is
Asus M4A87TD-USB-3 @ 5.6k
Biostar TA785G3 HD @ 4.3k
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
You are confused again. Intel Core i5 and i3 dual core series processors , fabricated in 32nm process are having integrated GPU (although, very crappy) inside their processor core, any other processors either Intel or AMD don't have it.
In case of AMD, most of the motherboards, based on AMD 790, 785 or 8XX (new ones) come with very good integrated graphics (mainly 3300, 4200 and 4250 or 4290 respectively), with 128 MB of dedicated DDR3 Vram (not shared from from your memory). So their performance is very good and even most of the games are playable in lower settings.

My suggestion for mobo is
Asus M4A87TD-USB-3 @ 5.6k
Biostar TA785G3 HD @ 4.3k

so it means in athlon 635 or x4 955 there is no integr gpu like in i5 750, but in amd, the motherboard (those mentioned above) will be able to provide gfx support eventhough no gfx card is prozided? is it that?
and that i5 combined with x58 boards rather than p55 will be able to function without gfx card, rt?

and just read that, kind of, i5 supports 64-bit operating mode. i run xp 32-bit, will i be able to run it in i5 as i work on 32-bit xp pro sp2?
 
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Cilus

laborare est orare
so it means in athlon 635 or x4 955 there is no integr gpu like in i5 750, but in amd, the motherboard (those mentioned above) will be able to provide gfx support eventhough no gfx card is prozided? is it that?

You got it right. The onborad/Integrated Graphics solution from AMD is better.

and that i5 combined with x58 boards rather than p55 will be able to function without gfx card, rt?
You cannot plug a Core i5 to a X58 motherboard. X58 is designed for Core i7 9XX series and they are costly. Let me clear your doubt about it.

Core i7 9XX series or Bloomfield: Need X58 chipset based motherboard. Don't have onCPU graphics. X58 motherboards even does not have any graphics core, so you need to add a discrete Gfx card. These processors are highest performing and most costly desktop processors. All processors from this family is quad core. They have 1366 pin socket. Created on 45 nm process.

Core i5 7XX and Core i7 8XX or LynnField. These processors are also quad core but requires 1156 pin socket based P55 chipset based motherboard. They are the 2nd highest performing CPU. They don't have any onDie graphics. But P55 motherboards also have Intel 4000 series graphics. Based on 45nm process

Core i5 5XX, 6XX and Core i3 Dual Core or Arrandale: These processors are based on 32 nm fabrication process. They have onCpu graphics core. Although they designed with same 1156 pin socket like LynnField, and can be plugged in a P55 motherboard, but for enabling the Graphics core in CPU, you need a separate motherboard based on called H55 chipset.
H55 motherboard does not have any graphics but the Gpu inside the Core i5 dual core processor will do the job, once plugged in . The performance of this onChip graphics is also very bad.

AMD Phenom II and Athlon II: None of the AMD processors have onchip graphics. But the graphics solution present in the AMD motherboards are far better than both p55 graphics and Core i5/i3 graphics.

Now putting any processor in any motherboard will not do any help, until they are compatible.
 

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
dude you are totally confused....

intel chipsets-

which do not support processor integrated graphics-
x58
supports core i7 9** (socket lga 1366)
p55
supports core i3, core i5 core i7 8** (socket lga 1156)

which support processor integrated graphics-
h55
h57
q57

all these support core i3, i5, i7 8** (socket lga 1156)

core i7 9** and core i7 8** do not have integrated graphics
core i5 6** series have integrated graphics
core i5 750 and core i5 750S does not have integrated graphics
core i3 have integrated graphics

AMD integrated graphics are not present on the processor die but on the motherboard northbridge.

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sorry cilus i didnt see your post

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cilus core i5 5** series are for laptops
correct your post
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
The onborad/Integrated Graphics solution from AMD is better. But P55 motherboards also have Intel 4000 series graphics.

dont kill me, really above 2 statements has confused me again. in simple words, can an i5 750 with p55 work without extra gfx card? work in the sense say for browsin at 1600x. forget amd mb gfx being better.

amd cpu does not have onchip gfx and so is i5 750. amd cpu combined with mb, say ta785gs hd, can provide limited gfx even without gfx card. so does i5 750 combined with p55 can provide gfx even without gfx card? let it be inferior or not, but can it?

if p55 needs gfx card for i5 for even just to surf net, then whats the point in having Intel 4000 series graphics in p55.

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and if the p55 board cannot even provide graphics for browsing, is it ok that i get a cheap gfx card around 3k for the moment till i get a better one? if it can, i can go straightaway to the better one later.
 

Cilus

laborare est orare
Intel p55 mobo's on-board graphics will be sufficient for surfing net @ resolution you mentioned. Even you can play HD movies with it. But don't expect or dream even very limited gaming on it
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
Intel p55 mobo's on-board graphics will be sufficient for surfing net @ resolution you mentioned. Even you can play HD movies with it. But don't expect or dream even very limited gaming on it

OMG, this is what I am asking from start. and one more thing, does that mean only Intel p55 board gives that onboard gfx and giga,msi,biostar p55 boards doesnt?

right now, i am with p4 2.4 and 865gbf with 98mb onboard. hope p55 has at least this much gfx support. and if so, that is enough for me for the moment. i will be surely buying 5850 in 3 months.

plz suggest me a good p55 mobo below 8k, that has the above min gfx rqmnt for now, which can support above gfx card with ease, preferrably gigabyte or msi. dont need sata3. wont xfire.

now confusion totally over. :razz:
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
Cilus p55 does not have onboard graphics

mumble
u can go with a cheap gfx card till u get a good one with p55

ok, thanks yaar, can u suggest a good p55 MB; preference giggy, msi; and a cheap gfx card around 3k and a good 5850 brand/model and price.

and should i go for value or performance rams of corsair, is the price diff worthy? prefer 1333. there are 2 models in site, which one shall i go for? guess it is TW3X4G1333C9.
 

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
Core i5 750 2.66GHz @ 9.5k
Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 @ 7k
2GB DDR3 1333MHz * 2 @ 5.2k
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ 2.1k
Corsair VX550W @ 4.7k (since you will go for hd5850 in future)
NZXT Gamma @ 2k

Total - 30.5k

get a cheap one such as hd 4550 @ 2.3k since you wont game....or even hd4350 @ 2k
 

toad_frog09

Swimming, eh??
My apology for junk post.
But i'd like to raise a toast to all those users who have helped with this poor chaps' problem.
You guys are awesome dude.
Read the page, start till end.
How constantly you've helped,argued,adviced,suggested...phew!
All of you. Guys, phenominal work up here.
Hats off.
 
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FilledVoid

Guest
i said no to amd cos frnds told its performance will decrease from day 1 and that it has got heat issues, anything true?
Har har. This never gets old. Your friend should join a group of my friends who think the same. They said my AMD proccy would probably blow up in a few days and they said that when I bought an AMD X4 635 , an AMD Phenom 555 BE and a AMD 3200 ages ago.

Its hardly true and you wont find any other VFM combo . Either way you will find an abundance of either processor in Kerala whichever you choose to buy.
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
i now plan to buy a laptop, and go for the amd one.

in my place, they told they can only order x4 630 n not 635 and no giga boards as giga has poor service in kerala, they could get biostar.

and anyone know about service for corsair in kerala? saw no service at all in kerala in some forum.

is zion rams k?

i got a quotation frm del of 38k for inspiron 15r + targus bag + usb mouse + delivery. any comments?
 

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
Dude lappy wont give as good performance as desktop

i have suggested u i5 at previous page with a low end card till u get hd5850
 
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mumblehere

On The Game
Dude lappy wont give as good performance as desktop

i have suggested u i5 at previous page with a low end card till u get hd5850

i saw it Jas. I do need a lap too for my work, thats why. And here, getting hardware is real real problem. A big no to corsair, gigabyte, msi frm them, didnt expect this, they quit giga n msi cos of bad service here, though some could order, service is a prob.

thanks a lot for the help Jas, Cilus, sam.

will post as i confirm.
 
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FilledVoid

Guest
in my place, they told they can only order x4 630 n not 635 and no giga boards as giga has poor service in kerala, they could get biostar.

Yes You will find a majority of stores stocking up on 630 and offering Biostar instead of Gigabyte mainly because of what Rashi peripherals shoves down on them. I havet heard of the poor service point but Im sure you will find it a bit harder to get a Gigabyte board especially if you are in a remote place.

Heres a list of distributors and you will see that they are in Cochin which puts alot of distance between you and the product. Isn't IT Depot an online store ? Buy from them perhaps?

As for laptops from Dell if you give me the configuration I could get the price from my dealer as well and see if yours is profitable or not :) .

And here, getting hardware is real real problem.
This is a myth. You can get the stuff you need . You just need to be willing to wait for a bit :D . getting stuff readily available in Kerala is a problem especially if you are in a remote location though.

and anyone know about service for corsair in kerala? saw no service at all in kerala in some forum.

Pooja Tech
H.B 99, 4th (Old 2nd ) Cross Road.,
Panampilly Nagar , Near Union Bank,
Ernakulam, Cochin - 682036.,
+91 484 3265272, 4011786
+91 9388600562, 9846004786
+91 484 6461786

Also if you don't mind could you tell em the configuration of the 15R you were promised at that cost please.
 

mmate5

Right off the assembly line
Dear All,

I am planning for new CPU,my core purpose will be visualization (i.e Hyper V or Vmware Esx),I want at least 5 virtual machines to work at a time with stabilized performance,I am looking for I5.... hence I need help in deciding model and price for I5 proc, motherboard,DDR 3 Ram (4 GB) and hard disk ,. also is it mandatory to have gfx card in it ....

Things that I have with me
17 " CRt IBM monitor, Microsoft keyboard and mouse bugget 30 K

Kindly suggest
 

Piyush

Lanaya
Dear All,

I am planning for new CPU,my core purpose will be visualization (i.e Hyper V or Vmware Esx),I want at least 5 virtual machines to work at a time with stabilized performance,I am looking for I5.... hence I need help in deciding model and price for I5 proc, motherboard,DDR 3 Ram (4 GB) and hard disk ,. also is it mandatory to have gfx card in it ....

Things that I have with me
17 " CRt IBM monitor, Microsoft keyboard and mouse bugget 30 K

Kindly suggest
5 virtual machines is quite hefty
so u should look for AMD phenom x6 instead of core i5
this will also result in lowering down the prices

for 30k u a can think upon this:
AMD phenom x6 1055t @ 10k
Gigabyte/MSI 880g based mobo @4.5k/5.6k(usb3 and sata 3)
corsair/kingston/gskill 4gb ddr3 @ 5k
CM elite 310 @1.5k
WD 500gb hdd @ 2k
HD 5670 512 mb @ 5.5k
gigabyte 460W superb @ 2k
 

mmate5

Right off the assembly line
Hi


can you plz tell me what all mandatory component are there for Intel i5 ,apart from mother board ,ram and hard disk
 
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