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[TechHunter]

Thanks guys.
Now i have some good idea about this configuration and the pricing also comes around 40-43K as per the prices are ITware.

 

[furious_gamer]

keith_j_snyder2, rajkumar_pb, desiibond, beta testing

1) Can intel E7200 be overclocked 3.0 easily

Yes...

2) with any base or suggest one good base

MSI P45Neo F,XFX 630i and ASUS Mobos are best for OC

3) Does it need more than 400w PSU ?

A Corsair VX450W is min if u use a gfx card.. Otherwise tats ok...

4) Will it work with the Default Cpu Fan if not than what Ghz will without need for cooler?

I'm not sure, but it will.....

5) After successfull overclocking will it be comparable to C2D E8400 (3.00GHz) ? Means it will Pratically

Yes.....

become E8400 Right ? Than will it beat any AMD Phenom + Base 780g in case of HD content ? Will i will see the performance in 3D, APP, GAMES, ETC ETC ?
6) Will it consume more power after overclocking ? like i know that E7200 consume 65w Will it require more than that ?

Nope..

7) Is crossfire tech available in Intel Base ? (i think crossfire = 1GFX + 1GFX = 2GFX Power at a Time) If not than Anything similar because this is the Upgradablity essential part.

Yes, Palit P35A,

Will i have to concern abt RAM ? DDR2 800 MHz will be sufficient considering overclocking ? Special brand ?

9) The base of Amd is Advantage (i.e 780g) can it be beaten with a good combo (MB + GFX) price under 6k ? can any one suggest one ?
(The price is set to 6k because GA-MA780G comes under 4.5k)

Not at all.....

 

[imgame2]

1) Intel best Processor (E7200) but base (Motherboards) are not good

wrong ! haven't u heard about ASUS/MSI/biostar/gigabyte P35 P45 based mobos ..its just that they are costly and not exactly VFM ..thats all but they are great performing mobos u can get ...ofccourse u can't get other things like onboard video and things like that on them..which is readily available ....AMD mobos have these extra feature but performance wise they are still behind intel counterparts...

2) AMD not good at Processor but Best Base 780g Chipset

do u buy a system for a mobo ...CPU is still heart of a computer system ..and mobo is support ..the better the support the better performance ..

1) Can Intel E7200 be overclocked 3.0 easily

yes u can ...but u won't need cos E7200 @2.53 can do anything u want be it games or multimedia but still its one of the best overclockers ...gets 3.2 GHz easily ...

2) with any base or suggest one good base

means ..that new kind of terminology to me ....

3) Does it need more than 400w PSU ?

if u are overclocking and have a good gfx card yes u will need a good PSU ..

4) Will it work with the Default CPU Fan if not than what GHz will without need for cooler?

any CPU if u overclock can handle only upto a point with stock cooler u will have to move on to aftermarket cooler after some time ..but e7200 might manage till 3GHz with stock cooler...actually it depends on individual processor so its difficult to predict generally ..no one can!!

5) After successfully overclocking will it be comparable to C2D E8400 (3.00GHz) ?

not really !! i hope u do understand that processor is simply not about core frequency anymore..there is cache...cache level,fab process,architecture ...so many things..

Means it will Practically become E8400 Right ?

never !!

Than will it beat any AMD Phenom + Base 780g in case of HD content ? Will i will see the performance in 3D, APP, GAMES, ETC ETC ?

yes by all means even @2.53 GHz it beats AMD counterpart in games,multimedia,movies ....no probs there ...

6) Will it consume more power after overclocking ? like i know that E7200 consume 65w Will it require more than that ?

usually overclocking consumes more power ...but a good 500W PSU will be sufficient...

7) Is crossfire tech available in Intel Base ? (i think crossfire = 1GFX + 1GFX = 2GFX Power at a Time) If not than Anything similar because this is the Upgradeable essential part.

right now intel chipset only supports crossfire ..so if u are looking for SLI ...intel chipsets are not the way ....but ATI cards rock this time of time ...

8 ) Will i have to concern abt RAM ? DDR2 800 MHz will be sufficient considering overclocking ? Special brand ?

it should be ...but u want to overclock look from the RAM from corsair atleast,or OCZ ..

9) The base of Amd is Advantage (i.e 780g) can it be beaten with a good combo (MB + GFX) price under 6k ? can any one suggest one ?
(The price is set to 6k because GA-MA780G comes under 4.5k)

thats where intel mobos lack ...no good onboard gfx ...with overclocking support...

but u can't have everthing when u are spending just 6k ...compromises have to be made better performance more price ...

Suggested Motherboards + GFX card

MSI P35 Neo-F ---> will need gfx with it
MSI P45 Neo-F + nVidia 7200GS-->only if u want to upgrade ur gfx lateron its not powerful gfx card
XFX 630i + MSI 8600GT or Asus (630i = i think this means XFX MG-630I-7109 Motherboard)---> best option if u are going for intel so far in ur price range ...
ASUS P5Q VM--->>good mobo with G45 chipset ..but might be little costly for u
ASUS P5K VM---->>G33 based mobo alright !
ABIT I-N73HD--->abit is in end of life phase so not recommended!
ABIT IP35-e--->>abit is in end of life phase so not recommended!



Nobody suggested Gigabyte Product do suggest one with price.

The motherboard should consist this
1333mhz +
DDR3 support
Memory 4GB - 8GB
SATA RAID
Pata Support atleast one
Land card 1Gbps
PCI-E 2.0 (Upgrading plus point) i think it is pci-e 32x (can be avoided)
HDMI Dvi etc if possible. (because it competing with 780g which consist this)

1) Can i get tv cable signal (Coaxial or dishtv) on computer with GFX card and record them ?

yes u can

2) Many board above state
Supported CPU Type = Core 2 Extreme (dual and quad core), Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Celeron D, Pentium 4, Pentium 4, Pentium D 9XX, Pentium D 8XX
Does that means it work with my P4 2.4 478 Pin processor ? LOL just a guess

no all the C2D processor works on new socket called LG775...so answer is no!

 

[earlyman21]

Which one of this is better ?
PLZ TELL me

Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.00GHz @ 4.8k
AMD Phenom X3 8450 2.1GHz @ 4.9k
AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.3GHz @ ???

OR
Intel core 2 duo E7200 @ 2.53GHz @ 5.5k

I Don't know the price of AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.3GHz

 

[Cool Joe]

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200

 

[Psychosocial]

Which one of this is better ?
PLZ TELL me

Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.00GHz @ 4.8k
AMD Phenom X3 8450 2.1GHz @ 4.9k
AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.3GHz @ ???

OR
Intel core 2 duo E7200 @ 2.53GHz @ 5.5k

I Don't know the price of AMD Phenom X3 8750 2.3GHz

Out of this three, the X3 8750 seems to be the best.

Actually, I havent seen its reviews as I hardly care about AMD CPUs but as it is tri-core, it will be better.

For gaming though, E7200 will be better.

 

[imgame2]

@earlyman21 E7200 is better than all of them ...

Out of this three, the X3 8750 seems to be the best.

Actually, I havent seen its reviews as I hardly care about AMD CPUs but as it is tri-core, it will be better.

For gaming though, E7200 will be better.

can't find the reviews i have seen before but C2D is better than X3 in games,movies other things ..even when they are three cores ....but X3 performs better in winrar applications or application that depends on many threads...which are very few .... unless one wants to use a winrar application all day ...i think C2D is better ...

found it ...
here is the proof !!

*www.digit-life.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x3-8750-p2.html

*www.digit-life.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x3-8750-p3.html

just shows how good E7200 is ....

 

[acewin]

Hi All,
I am planning to buy a new desktop. Primarily using it for web application development, gaming and some entertainment.
Please suggest me a good configuration. I am looking at a budget of around 35K(max 40K).
I am actually confused with whether to go with a Q6600 processor or with C2D based configuration.

Thanks,
TechHunter.

mate you did not mention if you needed monitor or not.
getting P35 based mobo in 4-4.5K + a decent low cost GPU like 8400GS/8500GT in 2K or 8600GT in 3K is very good option,
that is what I will suggest in addition to what anyone has suggested.
9600GT in 5.5K and HD3850 in 5K

Buy E7200 get a better overall config than thinking of little more priced Q6600

@Blackbird
as for AMD vs Intel, intel's huge bonus is its overclockability besides the good performance. and yeah sure E7200 can be well overclocked to 3.6GHz pretty easily, the power reqs wont increase alot but heating will for sure. his easily beats 3 core based phenoms also

and if you can spend 6K for mobo in AMD then you can get good option in intel also as I mentioned above for TechHunter

DDR3 support mobos are costlier, the best option if you want DDR3 is MSI P35 Neo-F Combo in 4.3K has 4 slots two for DDR2 and two for DDR3, a solid and highly recommended mobo

There are good motherboards from Gigabyte also price being same as MSI but both are less costlier than Asus, noone mentioned mostly because of a little edge over here and there while considering the mobos to give you the exact models. not much of a diference.

FOr PSU people will recommend Corsair VX450 or Cooler Master 600W, because GPUs are real power monsters and considering you wanna change GPU latter, also if wanna overclock get stable PSUs not cheap builds.

Crossfire is available in newer mobos which are based on P45 chipsets, if you want anything equivalent having on board GPU then there are Gigabyte mobos based on G45 chipset which is equivalent to P45 + intel X4500HD gfx, except having little less ports and connecting options than P45 chipset mobos. and as ingame2 mentioned Palit P35A mobo

ingame2 already mentioned about each mobo and GPU options for them

again if you can spend then get P35 or P45 based mobo with a low end GPU.

and last words, which would also help in deciding between PalitP35A or MSI Neo Combo is that MSI P35 Neo combo will support max of 4GB DDR2 or 4GB DDR3 and DDR2 and DDR3 cannot be used at the same time, so it will be like you are using 4GB DDR3, while in Palit you can go upto 8GB DDR2 which would certainly beat 4GB DDR3

Guys, now I have a general question if anyone can comment
that is for UPS can anyone comment on 800VA HP UPS, its available here in Bangalore in around 2.8K, my mate had bought it earlier last year when we were buying a rig as APC is costlier.

 

[keith_j_snyder2]

keith_j_snyder2, rajkumar_pb, desiibond, beta testing

Thanks Guys
Still some Question

I was confused in AMD and Intel because of this Point (Most of the people confuse because of this)
1) Intel best Processor (E7200) but base (Motherboards) are not good
2) AMD not good at Processor but Best Base 780g Chipset

Now both are real competitor on the above point
So here are the Tie Breaker Question

1) Can Intel E7200 be overclocked 3.0 easily
2) with any base or suggest one good base
3) Does it need more than 400w PSU ?
4) Will it work with the Default CPU Fan if not than what GHz will without need for cooler?
5) After successfully overclocking will it be comparable to C2D E8400 (3.00GHz) ? Means it will Practically become E8400 Right ? Than will it beat any AMD Phenom + Base 780g in case of HD content ? Will i will see the performance in 3D, APP, GAMES, ETC ETC ?
6) Will it consume more power after overclocking ? like i know that E7200 consume 65w Will it require more than that ?
7) Is crossfire tech available in Intel Base ? (i think crossfire = 1GFX + 1GFX = 2GFX Power at a Time) If not than Anything similar because this is the Upgradeable essential part.
8 ) Will i have to concern abt RAM ? DDR2 800 MHz will be sufficient considering overclocking ? Special brand ?
9) The base of Amd is Advantage (i.e 780g) can it be beaten with a good combo (MB + GFX) price under 6k ? can any one suggest one ?
(The price is set to 6k because GA-MA780G comes under 4.5k)



Suggested Motherboards + GFX card

MSI P35 Neo-F
MSI P45 Neo-F + nVidia 7200GS
XFX 630i + MSI 8600GT or Asus (630i = i think this means XFX MG-630I-7109 Motherboard)
ASUS P5Q VM
ASUS P5K VM
ABIT I-N73HD
ABIT IP35-e



Nobody suggested Gigabyte Product do suggest one with price.

The motherboard should consist this
1333mhz +
DDR3 support
Memory 4GB - 8GB
SATA RAID
Pata Support atleast one
Land card 1Gbps
PCI-E 2.0 (Upgrading plus point) i think it is pci-e 32x (can be avoided)
HDMI Dvi etc if possible. (because it competing with 780g which consist this)


Also i want to ask two things
1) Can i get tv cable signal (Coaxial or dishtv) on computer with GFX card and record them ?
2) Many board above state
Supported CPU Type = Core 2 Extreme (dual and quad core), Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Celeron D, Pentium 4, Pentium 4, Pentium D 9XX, Pentium D 8XX
Does that means it work with my P4 2.4 478 Pin processor ? LOL just a guess

U r welcome from me & rest of the forum members.

Although rajkumar_pb has already mentioned almost everything so i 'll make it short & simple.

In one line -u r confused about the best performance & more power savings in one.

See Intel E7200+P45/630i does have power savings onto it but not when compared to AMD780G. This doesn't mean that u will have to pay 10 times more bill than what u used to pay. The difference isn't much, its almost 15-20% power savings which isn't a major step but sure noticeable.
At stock E7200 is also a good power saver but when u overclock it, it becomes power hungry beast & can go more than 4GHZ, so thats why u need a good quality PSU.

 

[Psychosocial]

@earlyman21 E7200 is better than all of them ...




can't find the reviews i have seen before but C2D is better than X3 in games,movies other things ..even when they are three cores ....but X3 performs better in winrar applications or application that depends on many threads...which are very few .... unless one wants to use a winrar application all day ...i think C2D is better ...

found it ...
here is the proof !!

*www.digit-life.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x3-8750-p2.html

*www.digit-life.com/articles3/cpu/amd-phenom-x3-8750-p3.html

just shows how good E7200 is ....

Actually, I forgot to post that it is better in 'multi-tasking' and E7200 is better in everything else. Thanks for the reviews. Seems like the big sites (Tom's Hardware, guru3d, Anand Tech, etc) are busy in reviewing AMD's X4s and 7xx mobos ...... hardly any X3 reviews there.

 

[sunnythedreamer]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum. Lastweek my house was robbed in noon when no one was at flat. They took away my laptop among other things. I donot have money to buy a laptop now. So friends please help me to build myself a cheap yet powerful desktop. My budget is 22k.

I need the following:
1) Intel Coreduo..(i am not so particular about clock speed...happy with 1.8/2Ghtz)
2) Motherboard not sure (945 is in my mind but if better options are there please let me know).
3) 2GB ram
4)160 GB HDD will be Ok with me.
5) 19" TFT
6) KBD and optical mouse (not sure how much these will cost)
7) Cabinet ( i like the small cabinets, it looks good and space saving..not sure if it can come in my budget).
8. A UPS
9) speaker set. (5.1 is

Guys my budget is 22K. Can be extended a bit if required. Please help me in building my PC in whatever way you deem fit. I will use this PC for little games also apart from regular MS word and photoshop and internet browsing.

waiting for replies.

Sunny
new delhi

 

[Psychosocial]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum. Lastweek my house was robbed in noon when no one was at flat. They took away my laptop among other things. I donot have money to buy a laptop now. So friends please help me to build myself a cheap yet powerful desktop. My budget is 22k.

I need the following:
1) Intel Coreduo..(i am not so particular about clock speed...happy with 1.8/2Ghtz)
2) Motherboard not sure (945 is in my mind but if better options are there please let me know).
3) 2GB ram
4)160 GB HDD will be Ok with me.
5) 19" TFT
6) KBD and optical mouse (not sure how much these will cost)
7) Cabinet ( i like the small cabinets, it looks good and space saving..not sure if it can come in my budget).
8. A UPS
9) speaker set. (5.1 is

Guys my budget is 22K. Can be extended a bit if required. Please help me in building my PC in whatever way you deem fit. I will use this PC for little games also apart from regular MS word and photoshop and internet browsing.

waiting for replies.

Sunny
new delhi

Very sorry for your loss........ robbers are a pain in the a$$ .

Anyways, here you go -->>

1) Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 (2.5 Ghz..... happy, arent you ?)
2) XFX 630i mobo (way better than the 945)
3) Transcend DDR2 800MHz 2GB RAM
4) Seagate 250GB 7200.10 HDD
5)Zebronics Bijli cabby (not the small ones but it looks awesome and comes with a PSU, saving some money).
6) ASUS 8600GT 256MB GDDR3 (awesome VFM card)
7)Logitech Multimedia Desktop (keyboard + mouse)
8) LG E500 15" CRT (low level LCDs arent good so a CRT is a better option)
9) You wont get 5.1 speakers .....better get good and cheap VFM 2.1 speakers ........ look at the Altec Lansing BXR1121 ......nice speakers

 

[tah786er]

hi, my name is taher i wantwd to buy a pc for gamin ,& i also wanted a good coolin system bcoz i gonna keep my pc on for 7-8 hours daily and my budget is 85,000/-

 

[furious_gamer]

Very sorry for your loss........ robbers are a pain in the a$$ .

Anyways, here you go -->>

1) Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 (2.5 Ghz..... happy, arent you ?)
2) XFX 630i mobo (way better than the 945)
3) Transcend DDR2 800MHz 2GB RAM
4) Seagate 250GB 7200.10 HDD
5)Zebronics Bijli cabby (not the small ones but it looks awesome and comes with a PSU, saving some money).
6) ASUS 8600GT 256MB GDDR3 (awesome VFM card)
7)Logitech Multimedia Desktop (keyboard + mouse)
8) LG E500 15" CRT (low level LCDs arent good so a CRT is a better option)
9) You wont get 5.1 speakers .....better get good and cheap VFM 2.1 speakers ........ look at the Altec Lansing BXR1121 ......nice speakers

Look @ his budget, 22K....Are u sure that all these parts will come around within 22K... I dont think so... It costs almost around 26k man..... I dont think he gonna increase his budget +4k....

 

[Psychosocial]

Look @ his budget, 22K....Are u sure that all these parts will come around within 22K... I dont think so... It costs almost around 26k man..... I dont think he gonna increase his budget +4k....

lol I forgot to add the cost of grafix card while posting it......

so, go for a E4500 instead a E7200.....
and go for a Hitachi 160GB 7200RPM drive instead the one I suggested.

 

[furious_gamer]

lol I forgot to add the cost of grafix card while posting it......

so, go for a E4500 instead a E7200.....
and go for a Hitachi 160GB 7200RPM drive instead the one I suggested.

He already opened a new thread and i give some config that he can get all within 22k... But he post here for second time... WTF!!!

 

[Psychosocial]

hi, my name is taher i wantwd to buy a pc for gamin ,& i also wanted a good coolin system bcoz i gonna keep my pc on for 7-8 hours daily and my budget is 85,000/-

OMG rich guy.......

anyways, go for this awesome config -->>

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
ASUS P5Q Pro
2x2GB Corsair 1066MHz RAM
2x WD Caviar 640GB HDD
Palit HD4870 Sonic+
Cooler Master Extreme Power 750W
Cooler Master CM690 cabinet
Dell 228WFP 22" LCD
Creative T6060 5.1 speakers
Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty sound card
Microsoft Ergonomic Natural Keyboard
Logitech G5 mouse
Thermal Right Ultra 120 aftermarket cooler.

Buy this......... you wont be dissapointed.

 

[furious_gamer]

hi, my name is taher i wantwd to buy a pc for gamin ,& i also wanted a good coolin system bcoz i gonna keep my pc on for 7-8 hours daily and my budget is 85,000/-

Get the config mentioned by KPowerMania

Change : Get a E8500 instead of E8400...

 

[Psychosocial]

He already opened a new thread and i give some config that he can get all within 22k... But he post here for second time... WTF!!!

he's new here .......... will settle down in some time....

What happened to the PC you were gonna purchased

You said that you were gonna buy a HD4850 .....

Get the config mentioned by KPowerMania

Change : Get a E8500 instead of E8400...

There is hardly any diference between the both to justify the extra 1.5k you pay for it. Even a n00b can OC the E8400 to match the performance of the E8500....... E8400 seems the logical choice.

PS->> Having higher budget does not mean to spend everything you have! You can try and save a bit too.

 

[furious_gamer]

he's new here .......... will settle down in some time....

What happened to the PC you were gonna purchased

You said that you were gonna buy a HD4850 .....

I said i got it by the end of October... Is it October?
Anyway sure i'll get the Red Monster and tap it in my rig to make Crysis cry....

But a E8500 can also be easily OC'ed to 4.3GHz and what u think abt that now...