ATTENTION!!! Palagrism

[infra_red_dude]

Plagiarism is bad for everyone! I know it.. I've exp'd it. I had a tuff time getting down a blog who copied my project, removed all the credits and said that I had copied from him!!!!!! Imagine my state!!!

Only those who are the creators know how much hard work is involved. Given the power, I'd issue Shoot at sight orders for such people!!!

Charan, we'll get the blog owner remove the content or edit it to give proper credits. If we leave things like this, people take these for granted!

 

[Choto Cheeta]

Now I am really doubting your intentions !!! yeah trully..... the only purpose of me being active in any forum or US or any such is to share information... Free Information...

So is that mean all of you would help me if I ask a question only to earn credit ?? So where ever I impliment your Technique I have to Speak, thank you all might Mr. Such and Such of this ABC blog or this ABC forum ??

I am confused now... !! Are you shaing information or earning credits ?? Do note, Credit can be any thing, for Microsoft / Apple or a ABC business for A book writter, its Money... !!! for many its Fame... so what is for you ?? Fame ??

Is that your sole purpose for beging on an user group trying to share, (ohh.. no, this is now selling,) or rather Sell your Experties ??

I thought we are sharing our experties, not selling it...

 

[Quiz_Master]

I agree with Choto Cheeta.

We are here to share info.... not sell it. If anyone want to earn money why not write a book and earn.
Why post in a blog... A blog is a diary... you leave it open to everyone... Now If people copy paste it... Can we do anything...? No! / Is that entirely their fault? No. Is that wrong? yes.

I am amazed by double standards of most people here. They use pirated software. Thats stealing. And when someone steal their written content which they left open anyway they go wooo wooo.....
(Something Like Thief , stole from a thief.)

All I want to say its Internet. Its common here. I know its bad..I don't support it too... But whats so wrong in that.
Afterall all we want is to gain knowledge.

People says to gain knowledge.... We must share it.

What is internet? a earning tool? NOOOO!
Internet should be a way of learning new things.

What we want when we blog (atleast I want) that a certian piece of info gets to the people... We want to make them know... We want to spread knowledge. Now where comes the matter of that "I posted that info 1st/2nd / 3rd."

Internet is all about shareing. If you really want to make your tutorials or anything copy protected, ZIP them making pass protected and upload them... There are other ways of protecting data too... But do we want that? No.
IMHO Copy pasteing others work is not bad.... unless info is wrong.

 

[RCuber]

if I use Ubuntu source code which is free , put my name as sole developer and claim that I developed ubuntu and then sell it for $100 then what will happen ?

opensource community will sue me

 

[Choto Cheeta]

I had chat with my frnd Charan !!!

I am really hurt by the idea

Why we really come to the forums or blog ?? What is the real goal... Many new members join the forum to learn and to obtain Free Information....

My self is also a person who joined many forums / DB / UG for the reason to learn... learn free, gather free information... knowledge has no ending, you are learning and learning till the day you die... So even today I visit many forums and blogs for an idea of learning...

To be honest, didnt I ever implimneted any techinque I learnt from a forum or a blog ??

I fixed my PC, I fixed many problem, I learnt new technique which i couldnt have done without reading your blog... in many times it helped me to saved money from asking a proffesional help or to go to suppose Arena Multimedia to learn a software skills...

So in terms I cant repay any of you back i never thought I would ever have to repay one who is writting a open to all free blog / forum post !!!

I am really out numbered by those who belives that its not free information any more... asking for back link means you are charging a person for sharing information, which you put up in your forum post or in blog as for free , which to me in terms contradicts to idea of Free Inforamtion ...

if I use Ubuntu source code which is free , put my name as sole developer and claim that I developed ubuntu and then sell it for $100 then what will happen ?

This is a software... a product.... where as *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74510 this by no mean a software, its a technique which you know and wanted to share with all free, at-least that is what I thougt...

but interms its payable, if I read it I would learn it and if I learn it I would impliment it and it is possible that i may implimnet it in a proffesional place where I earn money from it... and aslo possible I teach few people regarding it... so Do you thing I would need share the money with you or every time I implimnet the technique infront of a person who may learn the technique from me, I have to browse the net and show him your blogs or rather this forums URL and say "please ses, this is where I learnt it from.." ??

To be honest its not about Charan or Mr. X, its about general Idea

 

[RCuber]

This is a software... a product.... where as *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74510 this by no mean a software, its a technique which you know and wanted to share with all free, at-least that is what I thougt...

Yes its a product and the company want it to share with others for free.. so are the articles here in digit..

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but interms its payable, if I read it I would learn it and if I learn it I would impliment it and it is possible that i may implimnet it in a proffesional place where I earn money from it... and aslo possible I teach few people regarding it... so Do you thing I would need share the money with you or every time I implimnet the technique infront of a person who may learn the technique from me, I have to browse the net and show him your blogs or rather this forums URL and say "please ses, this is where I learnt it from.." ??
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What are you talking man !!!! I am just disappointed with your comments. Talk only about Plagiarism.

This is regarding copying content in the internet by others and claiming that its their work. I dont care what he does in real life. He cannot post the exact same content and claim he has done it.be it my work or others. But in internet we wont leave him. See vishal's content.. many people are stealing his work

 

[infra_red_dude]

This is regarding copying content in the internet by others and claiming that its their work.

Exactly the point I wanna make. Seldom is my name mentioned on blogs/websites and I haf absolutely NO problems with it. I've posted in many such blogs anonymously just to get feedback on my project. They interact with me not knowing that its my project!

I haf a problem when someone steals my creations, removes my comments, inserts his and claims that I copied from him!!

 

[Choto Cheeta]

I haf a problem when someone steals my creations, removes my comments, inserts his and claims that I copied from him!!

Creation is some thing else... Mac4Lin is creation but a guide on installation of a software under linux is not creatation it is sharing of information or knowledge...

Have a hard fight for Mac4Lin, I would help you for that, but I cant stand the fact if you have the same idea for suppose a guide of yours for installation of a software under linux

Ani, fight to protect your creation, but enjoy to see the spread of knowledge, note one thing, should we say its my knowledge thats your knowledge ?? !!! Shuld we limit knowledge saying learn but dont implimnet and some one may learn my knowledge from you... is that what we want ?? is not this completelly agaisnt our goal of Sharing the knowledge between all between each other ??

 

[Ron]

Guys......
How do u check whether u r tuts hv been copied or not..........
as it is not possible to check millions of sites and blog..........

 

[infra_red_dude]

Have a hard fight for Mac4Lin, I would help you for that, but I cant stand the fact if you have the same idea for suppose a guide of yours for installation of a software under linux

Yes, the guide is copyrighted. It cannot be reproduced without permission. However, it doesn't anywhere say that My name should be compulsorily be published. Many people haf emailed me and taken my permission to publish the guide and nowhere haf I asked them to publish my name. It has been translated to spanish, greek and what not.

I will not fight a case which ultimately puts my name there for fame. But I'll fight a case which takes my work and says that he/she is the original creator. I won't press to replace his/her name with mine, but I'll do so to remove his/her name from the "creator's list" and make it anonymous.

If you goto howtoforge.com you'll see that the tutorials and guides haf some kind of copyright. I do not want anyone to give any royalty to me or mention my name everytime they use my project or read my guide. All I want is that improper and unethical credits are avoided. I don't care if I'm not credited for my work.

 

[Choto Cheeta]

I do not want anyone to give any royalty to me or mention my name everytime they use my project or read my guide.

where as,

Yes, the guide is copyrighted. It cannot be reproduced without permission.

Isnt that a royalty ??

you are teaching some one some thing free, but again asking him to make sure he doesnt impliment it any where, by which he may end up teaching or sharing it with another person ???

All I want is that improper and unethical credits are avoided. I don't care if I'm not credited for my work.

I would reply, this,

Shuld we limit knowledge saying learn but dont implimnet and some one may learn my knowledge from you... is that what we want ?? is not this completelly agaisnt our goal of Sharing the knowledge between all between each other ??

Where ever I impliment your technique in front of a person who are not aware of it then I have to show all poeple that I learnt this from this person by browseing and coming to this web blog !!!

I won't press to replace his/her name with mine, but I'll do so to remove his/her name from the "creator's list" and make it anonymous.

Once again, I dont under stand, why are we here ?? to earn credit ?? or trying to help each other by sharing our knowledge ??

Suppose even Mr. X copy ur guide, post it him name, still he has to troubleshoot questions... which I am sure he cant if its just a copy paste... eventually the question maker would search and land up at your place to seek the information he wanted... but do note, the information visibility has increased even if some one followed an unethical path

once again I am confused if the goal is spreding the information then why put bar in it...

Certainly if you have some informtion which may make money, for example you are a share trader providing information in share tradiing, then charge for that as premium content...

But to me when we put some thing in blog of forum it is because to make sure mass know it... and that inforamtion can reach out to all which and who is beyond our reach via even if its with an unethical way !!!

 

[infra_red_dude]

where as,

Isnt that a royalty ??

You are getting it wrong. The guides are copyrighted for a reason. If I let anybody post without my permission consider this:

The person posting the guide adds this in the guide. Plz execute this command before installing: "sudo rm -rf" (which is akin to format C: in windows).

Next he says, for any queries you can contact me at xxxx@yyy.com (retains MY e-mail id). I get flooded with queries, hate mails etc.

Now temme, who is to blame for such a situation? Me for not ensuring that the guide was published in the original form or that guy for being irresponsible?

you are teaching some one some thing free, but again asking him to make sure he doesnt impliment it any where, by which he may end up teaching or sharing it with another person ???

Second thing, he replaces my name in the guide and says he created it. Now someone asks him about some problem regarding installtion (or whatever) and the guy is not able to solve it, gives some wrong info and the person using it ends up wid a screwed up system. End result: Negative publicity; not for me, for my project.

He says: I installed Mac4Lin and it screwed up my system. The creator of this project (the person who claims that he created Mac4Lin) is incompetent in solving the problems. Plz do not use this software.

Now who will be answerable?

Where ever I impliment your technique in front of a person who are not aware of it then I have to show all poeple that I learnt this from this person by browseing and coming to this web blog !!!

Whenever you implement the technique I published in a tutorial in front of a person who are not aware then you needn't tell that you learnt it from me. But you shouldn't also tell the people that you worked hard for 5 dayz and came up with this whereas actually you haf read it from my tutorial.

My point is that spread the knowledge. Don't mention my name, but plz do not say that its your creation when it is someone else's!

why are we here ?? to earn credit ?? or trying to help each other by sharing our knowledge ??

We are here to prevent unwarranted "discredit" to the author when he/she doesn't deserve it.

Suppose even Mr. X copy ur guide, post it him name, still he has to troubleshoot questions... which I am sure he cant if its just a copy paste... eventually the question maker would search and land up at your place to seek the information he wanted...

Yes, you got the point But the in the end I may get abused coz of a wrong fix which I haf never given!

once again I am confused if the goal is spreding the information then why put bar in it...

The goal is spreading correct and authentic info and avoid problem and undue discredit!

I hope you got my point

 

[FilledVoid]

I am confused now... !! Are you shaing information or earning credits ?? Do note, Credit can be any thing, for Microsoft / Apple or a ABC business for A book writter, its Money... !!! for many its Fame... so what is for you ?? Fame ??

Choto I definitely appreciate your view and its a good one. But let me give you a bad case scenario. Lets say I start a blog and then copy every single review you did and say that I did it and further even go on of saying that you copied it from me. If you took the time to write all that then I'm definitely obliged to at least link back to you if I'm posting it on my blog.

This is a software... a product.... where as *www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74510 this by no mean a software, its a technique which you know and wanted to share with all free, at-least that is what I thougt...

Why aren't guides considered as a product? Its the end result of someone typing on a web page or a document. Theres a difference posting "a solution to XYZ" and "cut / copy pasting a document someone spent time typing up and then not even showing the courtesy of linking back".

Nonetheless theres always going to be some kind of plagiarism in some kind of form. If its not plagiarism its collusion. The below that infra_Red_dude stated is called collusion.

By the way you cannot copyright facts. You can only copyright your work. Hence although you cant copyright your work you may copyright the document you made which is to prevent your document from being stolen.

 

[Choto Cheeta]

Choto I definitely appreciate your view and its a good one. But let me give you a bad case scenario. Lets say I start a blog and then copy every single review you did and say that I did it and further even go on of saying that you copied it from me. If you took the time to write all that then I'm definitely obliged to at least link back to you if I'm posting it on my blog

Why ?? may be you didnt read this, Cost of Free Information

What ever you are reading or learning at ChotoCheeta.com, is free content… Completely free, its free knowledge, you are welcome to share / re-distribute with any one you like by any mean you like…

Why aren't guides considered as a product? Its the end result of someone typing on a web page or a document. Theres a difference posting "a solution to XYZ" and "cut / copy pasting a document someone spent time typing up and then not even showing the courtesy of linking back".

Suppose Ani didnt creat the Mac4Lin, what are the odds that some one else would have done it ??

To me its close to None mac4lin would have never borne if it was not done by Ani...

Where as what are the odds, that a Review which i may have written or a software guide which I have writen, would not have came if I would not have written ??

sooner or later some one will product a guide / review or any such on the same subject and matter...

So Software / Mac4Lin is an unique creation where as Guide / Posts / Tutorials are just shareing our knowledge or which I am point as Information...

By the way you cannot copyright facts. You can only copyright your work. Hence although you cant copyright your work you may copyright the document you made which is to prevent your document from being stolen.

Mac4Lin is certainly is some thing copyrighted but by any mean, Referance Guide to sharing DataOne connection or any such post is not a copyrighted stuff... the main reason of writting it or posting it in blog or forums is to share what ever little knowledge i have with the mass... the gaol is to make user the information (not the name who wrote it or such) reach to as many people as possible...

even if by the mean of any unethical way the information reach out for another person who dont visit any forum or db or any place where I am active, is really satisfectory to me...

Once again the main goal is to make sure information (yes ani I would add the correct), correct information reach out for the mass, beyond your reach...

@infra_red_dude

Bro, please generalise the view... your post is based on the fact of mac4Lin, and I have already said for mac4lin all points you put up is valid ones... but as I said, please generalise the view...

My point is that spread the knowledge. Don't mention my name, but plz do not say that its your creation when it is someone else's!

its not about Mac4Lin or GigaSmile or such... its about those topics like Referance Guide to sharing DataOne connection or may be, TeraCopy - A local file transfer accelerator this threads or topic has nothing to do with creation... its all about sharing some knowledge, and sharing it free to the mass....

Next he says, for any queries you can contact me at xxxx@yyy.com (retains MY e-mail id). I get flooded with queries, hate mails etc.

quite true, my self I too get question in this manner as in many site they just use ctrl +c and ctrl +v so question comes directly to me, and what I just need to do is send a pre-writtien email with my own url to point out the visitor with proper information...

 

[FilledVoid]

Why ?? may be you didnt read this, Cost of Free Information

Why do we post references with a topic. Cause we didn't make it nor bring it up. Not to mention that I recall you going outside for education. Copy / Paste is HIGHLY frowned upon in all Educational institutions out of India. Even if you're teachers doubt you of collusion and you will get an F. In fact you get marks for posting the references correctly. But lets get back to the topic. I don't anyone spreading what I wrote. I do mind if you copy and paste content off my posts and then say you did it in the first place. To me its like Internet etiquette.

Where as what are the odds, that a Review which i may have written or a software guide which I have writen, would not have came if I would not have written ??

Theoretically correct. However my reference was not to the content within the guide. It was to the actual document posted. As I said facts cannot be trademarked period. Only the document you made. You can't trademark the facts within your Cement Industry assignments. But you can definitely trademark the document you made so that it is not copied without your consent.

 

[Choto Cheeta]

@exx_2000

cant compare this with education... Modern Education is nothing but heavy competition !!!

I don't anyone spreading what I wrote. I do mind if you copy and paste content off my posts and then say you did it in the first place. To me its like Internet etiquette.

i am sorry I am asking the same question again to you, as I did to all, if you dont want to spread the knowledge then what was need to write it down in an open place ??

I mean what did you try to archive by writting some thing... i am fiding it hard here to understand the goal of all of us... is it Credit or fame which we are trying to archive from here ?? like I did this, he did that ?? or rather is it an open comunity where we praticipate to gain and distribute knowledge ...

knowledge is not a subject matter, it cant be called as mine and your... its every ones... and here we are trying to devide it

 

[x3060]

different peoples diff viewes . . its generally said , when something starts its starts good , later complicates itself . i dont remember it my first days of internet , the copy issues , now even a game guide has it . and when you do a work in class , you are doing it for marks . where as in blog , you are not doing it for marks . please dont take it rude

 

[Quiz_Master]

OK I am going a little offtopic.. (for good.)

Lets forget what plagiarism is 4 a moment and think of the reason why we write guides and tuts...

Is it for earning...? Is it for fame..? Why not write books then.
No It is for to others who dont know something.

When we develop softwares Its like creating something... But tutorials are like finding something.

Now isn't that our goal that people should know what we found? Yes! Thats our goal... Now is it our goal that people should know who found it? I never thought that. Now I know I am not experienced like you but I am here and on some other places for one sole reason.. Helping others if I can. Not for fame... Not for money....

Isnt internet started as tool for learning...

Now back to point.

When we want to share info.. does it matter that someone else spreading the same info...
If we write a tutorial lets say- 2000 people reads it / 2000 people learns from it. Now say Person X copies our stuff... And from his page 100 peoples read same stuff... Isn't it good that we managed to share our knowledge with 100 more people. No matter they know/dunno who did it.
I would be pleased... Its like blind donation.

See do we write our name on every blood drop we donate,,,, naah naah...

Information intended to teach someone...Should be Open Source.

 

[x3060]

fully agree . . tuts and guides are ment for information sharing only . unless you put a tut for sale and someone copys it and says its his , then its wrong . if i write a free guide or tut and someone says its his or what ever , i dont mind , cause my intention was just to share and not make money or fame out of it . ultimately , its the intentions that decide the fate of articles.

 

[Quiz_Master]

^^ exactly.