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[aroraanant]

Keep ur hTC fanboism to YourSelf & do not spread it to others here.
& pls dont give wrong suggestions to people.

iF u are a die-fan of hTC & to anyOne suggesting any crap hTC phone, then u should also keep all the news regarding hTC malfunctioning
even if u cant keep up with the news then atleast open ur eyes & read what other users have posted.

i had posted few posts back {i suppose, which u have neglected} that hTC Sensation is a ugly fone & piece of crap made by hTC which they call thier flagShip fone.
upon releasing it has so many issues to deal with, that hTC is fed up of it & not giving any Solutions .

From this I can say only one thing that I have much more knowledge about HTC than you.
I am using HTC from around 2 and half years and I am having 3 phones in my home only.I haven't experienced any problem in any of the phone.Apart form them I have used many High end phones of Samsung,SE,nokia,Apple etc and HTC seems to me the best as they give the best for the price,thats it...

@sygeek
Thanks for supporting me

 

[desiibond]

From this I can say only one thing that I have much more knowledge about HTC than you.
I am using HTC from around 2 and half years and I am having 3 phones in my home only.I haven't experienced any problem in any of the phone.Apart form them I have used many High end phones of Samsung,SE,nokia,Apple etc and HTC seems to me the best as they give the best for the price,thats it...

@sygeek
Thanks for supporting me

you term yourself as a HTC fanboy, suggest Senstion (which is having serious issues) and you blindly say that N:S is not comparable to I:S. and fyi, HTC never was the brand that gives the best for the price and that is the reason why they never were able to crack the top 4 and they record mediocre sales in sub-20k segment.

am sorry to say this, your knowledge on HTC and smartphones is rather bleak and is clouded by fanboyism. dharmil has overstated the post regarding sensation a bit but what he said is true. The phone is the buggiest that HTC has ever brought out. The tech community know this, dharmil knows this, I know this and you are totally unaware of this. So, now tell me sir. who has more knowledge or the right knowledge?

Regarding your point "HTC gives the best for the price", just few months ago, they were on a slide, thanks to some pathetic models like Wildfire, Incredible, HD7, D:HD, evo etc which had serious battery flaws and overpriced. Thanks to their mgmt listening to the buyers, they starting bringing out better models this year that are rightly specced for that price point and the result was seen in Q4 2010 market share results. But still, I won't say that they give the best for the price as.Currently, HTC offers 2nd or 3rd best device at any given price point.

1. Motorola Defy is far far better than W:S, infact LG O1 is very much similar to W:S even though it costs 2k-3k less
2. N:S is better than D:S and I:S even though it costs 3k-5k less. O:2X, which costs 1k more than I:S is better than I:S (just that one need to put a custom ROM for now and wait for LG to bring out a better factory ROM)
3. Xperia Arc, LG Optimus 2X are much better than D:HD, though they cost less than D:HD
4. SGS II is better than Sensation.


am saying this for the umpteent time, please take your fanboyism elsewhere.

 

[s_holmes]

^^^^^^ @desiibond
I would agree that SGSII is better than Sensation but we all know that SGSII has a manufacturing deffect that is why I don't suggest it to anyone.

What manufacturing defect does SGSII have?

 

[aroraanant]

^^^^^^ @desiibond
I would agree that SGSII is better than Sensation but we all know that SGSII has a manufacturing deffect that is why I don't suggest it to anyone.
But won't agree with you on that Nexus S is better than Incredible S,no way man.
Incredible S touch response,camera are much better and also Nexus doesn't even have a radio and HTC Sense UI is also very good and there are lot many other things so how can you say that Nexus S is better than Incredible S

you term yourself as a HTC fanboy

I am not exactly a fanboy,I like HTC very much,thats it...
I wrote this in my signature because you and dharmil always say that I am a HTC fanboy,so I have started accepting your words now...lol

 

[noob]

Nexus S is better than Incredible S..any day...OS updates(that a big deal here)..touch exp is same on both...music quality is gr8 in Nexus S

 

[aroraanant]

And one thing you must remember(@desiibond and @dharmil)
you people and I can't have the same thinking,it is not necessary that we all should think in the same direction,every person has his/her own thinking and according to that the person says something,so our suggestions to the people can vary,and one must respect other suggestions or thoughts etc....right

 

[desiibond]

^^^^^^ @desiibond
I would agree that SGSII is better than Sensation but we all know that SGSII has a manufacturing deffect that is why I don't suggest it to anyone.

a defect that is hardly even visible unless one look for it. On the other hand, the problems with Sensation (death grip and touch screen issues) are highly irritating. so, please, do the home work!

But won't agree with you on that Nexus S is better than Incredible S,no way man.
Incredible S touch response,camera are much better and also Nexus doesn't even have a radio and HTC Sense UI is also very good and there are lot many other things so how can you say that Nexus S is better than Incredible S


I am not exactly a fanboy,I like HTC very much...
I wrote this in my signature because you and dharmil always say that I am a HTC fanboy,so I have started accepting your words now...lol

Sir, N:S touch response is better than that of I:S. In fact it is among the best and thanks to the oleophobic coating, you need not worry about smudges and fat oils getting on the display.

I do agree that I:S camera is far better than N:S but this is one thing that is used least bit, but lack of FM Radio is not acceptable (though I never use FM on my N900, thanks to the 32gig space and ridiculous amount of commercials aired by radio stations). The FM radio btw can be enabled using custom ROM like CM7. The ridiculous thing is that FM Radio chip is there in N:S but is disabled by Google/Sammy. Anyways, there is a 16gig of space screaming one to have a huge music library. What many other things are you considering? I gave enough detail in my earlier comparison for you to understand. Do try out both and you "may" understand. And do NOT forget the difference in price.

SenseUI is visually appealing but it's the Nexus owners that get the laugh every time Google pushes the updates and points and laughs at the numerous update related announcements made by Sammy or HTC or Moto..
For example, Nexus One got Gingerbread 2.3.3 in Feb and 2.3.4 in May while it's counterpart Desire is getting the update, now in August, that too because of pressure from the users else it wouldn't even have received the update. SenseUI is just an overlay UI but when compared to the speed at which Nexus phones get the updates and speed at which they get bug fixes and the performance advantage that they have (on similarly powered h/w), it loses it's shine or whatever. It's a shame that uses of a 2011 device I:S had to wait till May for 2.3 while a 1.5yr old phone got the update much earlier. There is lot of positive news that Nexus One will get ICS update too. Tell me how many HTC devices from 2010 will get the same, atleast within a month of two after ICS going public. That, my friend, is the most valuable UI advantage. One year after getting a device having Sense UI or Touchwiz UI, one will be waiting desperately for the manufacturer to provide OS update. Watching others getting the OS/feature update while the device is stuck on months old OS is, well, ...... Do note that by this time, one is least bit interested in those animations and colors. This slowness is not specific to HTC. They are the best when it comes to updating non-nexus devices if you compare them to Sammy or Moto or SE.

The main reason why I had to ditch Legend was that I had wait and wait and wait for Froyo (tried custom ROMs but each ROM had it's own issues) and I decided that my next droid phone will be a Nexus device. All the updates arrive on time and in case a fancy UI is needed, a custom ROM is ready to use.

 

[NainO]

Reminds me of - "Samsung Galaxy 3 vs LG Optimus One" thread

@aroraanant
I can understand your loyalty towards HTC.
But : Suggesting Wildfire S, when someone can opt for Moto Defy!!!

 

[desiibond]

Reminds me of - "Samsung Galaxy 3 vs LG Optimus One" thread

@aroraanant
I can understand your loyalty towards HTC.
But : Suggesting Wildfire S, when someone can opt for Moto Defy!!!

Do not insult these devices by comparing them to SG3

anyways, am still waiting for him to explain how W:S is better than Defy and how N:S cannot be compared to I:S

 

[sygeek]

@desiibond: I have to strongly disagree with you here. Sorry, but I think you're opinion is "clouded by HTC hateboyism". If you had a bad experience with an HTC phone, that doesn't mean all the HTC phones suck.

I don't mean to be offensive here, but I had to say this. Or, it maybe that you're a fan of stock android phones.

HTC Incredible S vs Google Nexus S - Know Your Mobile India

That's a more bias and feature-wise comparison. I could've argued myself over here, but it wouldn't have been convincing.

Edit: Another comparison, By the numbers: Nexus S vs. HTC Incredible S vs. iPhone 4

I guess that should end the discussion here. If there's more to it, I guess you can only base it on personal experience.

@OP please refer to reviews from trusted sites before falling into fanboism/hateboism reviews here.

 

[desiibond]

@desiibond: I have to strongly disagree with you here. Sorry, but I think you're opinion is "clouded by HTC hateboyism". I don't mean to be offensive here, but I had to say this. Or, it maybe that you're a fan of stock android phones.

HTC Incredible S vs Google Nexus S - Know Your Mobile India

That's a more bias and feature-wise comparison.

hateboyism. hmm. interesting! I ridiculed mid range galaxy devices and favoured W:S. Does that make me a sammy hateboy and HTC fanboy?

now, regarding that article.

I:S won in build and camera department which is absolutely right.
N:S won in apps and storage/memory deparment.
draw was given for OS but then after six months, when a new update is rolled out, won't it get in favour of N:S till the I:S gets the update (by which time, N:S will be onto the next version)
Display and processing power too were draw, which is correct (though I think that powervr GPU is more powerful but )
now, what about the multimedia? The audio quality on N:S is top notch while the same on I:S okayish. Where is the mention of gyroscope and the NFC chip which tilt the advantage in favour of N:S.

Finally, the price. It's 5k cheaper damn it and it has the h/w advantage and the ROMs that negate the lack of SenseUI etc. If you still think that this is hateboyism whatever, then, sorry, your understanding of smartphones need some more understanding.

even the second link you provided shows the same. How difficult is it to understand this?

 

[aroraanant]

Reminds me of - "Samsung Galaxy 3 vs LG Optimus One" thread

@aroraanant
I can understand your loyalty towards HTC.
But : Suggesting Wildfire S, when someone can opt for Moto Defy!!!

I suggested it against SG3 and O1 and one can opt for it who don't want to spend more than 12k...!

and @desibond
I will not agree that Nexus S is better than Incredible S ever...

 

[desiibond]

I suggested it against SG3 and O1 and one can opt for it who don't want to spend more than 12k...!

and @desibond
I will not agree that Nexus S is better than Incredible S ever...

it's the general nature of fanboys and no one is worried about making them agree (though it is immense fun pawning them)

 

[NainO]

I suggested it against SG3 and O1 and one can opt for it who don't want to spend more than 12k...!

And how about suggesting him/her O1 (pretty much similar to Wildfire S)?
With this he/she will be able to save some (around 3k; sorry for refering 3k as "some") bucks!!!

 

[desiibond]

And how about suggesting him/her O1 (pretty much similar to Wildfire S)?
With this he/she will be able to save some (around 3k; sorry for refering 3k as "some") bucks!!!

anyways, lets not bring that discussion here.

update: N:S is Rs.18,799 on letsbuy with "icicilb" coupon (though am not sure if this works)

 

[sygeek]

hateboyism. hmm. interesting! I ridiculed mid range galaxy devices and favoured W:S. Does that make me a sammy hateboy and HTC fanboy?

now, regarding that article.

I:S won in build and camera department which is absolutely right.
N:S won in apps and storage/memory deparment.
draw was given for OS but then after six months, when a new update is rolled out, won't it get in favour of N:S till the I:S gets the update (by which time, N:S will be onto the next version)
Display and processing power too were draw, which is correct (though I think that powervr GPU is more powerful but )
now, what about the multimedia? The audio quality on N:S is top notch while the same on I:S okayish. Where is the mention of gyroscope and the NFC chip which tilt the advantage in favour of N:S.

Finally, the price. It's 5k cheaper damn it and it has the h/w advantage and the ROMs that negate the lack of SenseUI etc. If you still think that this is hateboyism whatever, then, sorry, your understanding of smartphones need some more understanding.

even the second link you provided shows the same. How difficult is it to understand this?

My understanding of smartphones may be false, but not theirs. Also, please look at the overall features, not the minute features like gyroscope/blah blah. N:S does win over the music quality, but just being blinded by one feature doesn't mark an overall phone.

At the end of the day
So what can we take away from this on paper comparison of the Nexus S, HTC Incredible S and iPhone 4. Well as far as Android devices go, we’re struggling to find the appeal of the Nexus S.

Pure Google device? Gingerbread? All these arguments are moot considering that the Incredible S will get a Gingerbread update in June. As for pure Google, although we don’t have any qualms with the plain vanilla treatment on the Nexus S, there’s really not much wrong with the HTC Sense UI skin on the Incredible S either. In terms of UI then, it would seem the decision making will come down to preference of whether you’d want your Android in plain vanila flavour or with some UI garnishing on top.

If it was our money going to the purchase of one of these Android devices, based on what we’ve revealed here, it will go to the HTC IncredibleS.

it's the general nature of fanboys and no one is worried about making them agree (though it is immense fun pawning them)

I doubt if it's fanboism, he is happy and content with his phone and recommended the same to the OP. But, wait, he went against your opinion, and that proves him wrong?

Also, this the internet, no one gives a damn to what anyone says. People will still stick to their opinions

 

[desiibond]

My understanding of smartphones may be false, but not theirs. Also, please look at the overall features, not the minute features like gyroscope/blah blah. N:S does win over the music quality, but just being blinded by one feature doesn't mark an overall phone.

dude, why are you getting repetitive here. how many times do I have to explain in detail. Read in full!
anways, here's the list
1. better quality glass and better touch response. (though the gorilla glass on I:S makes it more durable).
2. more UI updates.
3. better GPU and just slightly better CPU.
3. better audio reproduction, in fact, it is among the very best in business.
4. far less price. I can get quality IEMs or other accessories for saved price. (or I can get dozens of paid games and apps making it much much better value for money).
5. more internal memory.
6. Flawless Google experience.
7. better ROM support (atleast when compared with I:S).
8. better battery life.
9. better gaming experience.

and in response, all you could show is camera and SenseUI. so, tell me sir, who is blinded by one or two features, few of which has alternatives on N:S.

I doubt if it's fanboism, he is happy and content with his phone and recommended the same to the OP. But, wait, he went against your opinion, and that proves him wrong?

This is exactly why I don't understand. After repetitive reasoning, you are in no mood to understand the way that smartphones are compared. I may've given equal rating for I:S and N:S if they were priced same but there is a 5k difference and h/w wise N:S is superior.

He is pawned in other thread for showing HTC fanboyism (for midrange droids). He is pawned here for showing same fanboyism.

btw, am curious, why are you taking the side of who is getting pawned in TDF?

 

[noob]

imagine HTC Incredible not getting any updates after ICS. that will make this phone useless. Nexus S will get updates after ICS too.
those updates are a BIG thing for me. UI can be changed later.

 

[sygeek]

@desiibond: Okay, here's my list

1. Processor, both of the smartphones have practically the same processor power.
2. While Nexus S has better a GPU performance than the HTC Incredible S, but the additional RAM in I:S squares things off.
3. N:S has more internal storage with 16GB (with no microSD support) while I:S has only 1.1GB internal storage, and also offers an option for expandle memory upto 32GB which can outperform N:S's internal storage.
4. Both of the phones have the same screen and screen size. N:S despite having an amoled version, none of the sellers in India have it. The only option left is s-lcd version which lacks a radio.
5. N:S, both technically and practically has more battery capacity than I:S. Although a simple root in I:S will shoot it's battery power by a long shot (but still lower than N:S).
6. Camera-wise, I:S with it's 8MP sensor with 720HD video recording and dual-LED flash is way ahead than N:S very disappointing camera, this is a huge turn-off for camera-lovers.
7. N:S costs 20k while I:S ATM costs 4k more, i.e. 24k
8. N:S despite having a front camera, has no native use for it's front-facing camera.
9. I:S and N:S both feature the latest Android v2.3. While I:S is already v2.4 ready and will recieve an update as soon as Android 2.4 gets released.
10. N:S has a unique slight curvature screen design, which may be freaky to be some but isn't noticeable during normal use.
11. I:S features HTC's famous Sense UI, while N:S features a plain and simple UI which may be disappointing for some.
12. N:S features an NFC chip, a unique technology currently present rarely in other smartphones.
13. N:S's music quality is outstanding while I:S has a decent music quality.
14. Some users have reported that N:S runs a little hot, while at the same time some are having issues with it's volume button on the side, constantly being hit accidently.
15. N:S has a call bug where the phones reboots itself/freezes suddenly. (Although I'm not sure if this has been with fixed with an update/not)

Personally, I think it's a head-to-head competition and last choice depends on more preferable feature between each phone. As a whole, I:S does win, but bringing the N:S price factor, it may catch the hearts of some users.

I guess this should do it, you have more preferable features in N:S, while I prefer I:S over it.

btw, am curious, why are you taking the side of who is getting pawned in TDF?

I didn't feel that he was showing off his fanboism, just a post of him recommending the phone to the OP, based on his personal preference.

Oh, and he wasn't getting pwnd, at least not in my view. It was actually 3:1, an unfair fight, that's how he was getting "pwnd", at least in your hateboism group .

1. better quality glass and better touch response. (though the gorilla glass on I:S makes it more durable).
3. better GPU and just slightly better CPU.
5. more internal memory.
6. Flawless Google experience.
9. better gaming experience.

I have refuted 3rd and 5th points in my post. But can you please be brief with the rest of these points (marked as bold).

 

[desiibond]

@desiibond: Okay, here's my list

1. Processor, both of the smartphones have practically the same processor power.
2. While Nexus S has better a GPU performance than the HTC Incredible S, but the additional RAM in I:S squares things off.

1. 
   ROFLMAO. seriously? More RAM for more graphical processing power. Bravo. claps!
   
   

   [*]N:S has more internal storage with 16GB (with no microSD support) while I:S has only 1.1GB internal storage, and also offers an option for expandle memory upto 32GB which can outperform N:S's internal storage.

   Do you know why internal storage is preferred by many?
   
   

   [*]Both of the phones have the same screen and screen size. N:S despite having an amoled version, none of the sellers in India have it. The only option left is s-lcd version which lacks a radio.

   
   what is radio to do with display? FYI, the FM radio can be activated after rooting and/or by loading custom ROM. It's just that it is deactivated.
   
   

   [*]N:S, both technically and practically has more battery capacity than I:S. Although a simple root in I:S will shoot it's battery power by a long shot (but still lower than N:S).

   
   And by a simple root, I can open the pandoras box on N:S.
   
   

   [*]Camera-wise, I:S with it's 8MP sensor with 720HD video recording and dual-LED flash is way ahead than N:S very disappointing camera, this is a huge turn-off for camera-lovers.

   atlast, one valid point.
   
   

   [*]N:S costs 20k while I:S ATM costs 4k more, i.e. 24k

   and do you now how many apps and what all accessories can be purchase for that 4k?
   
   

   [*]N:S despite having a front camera, has no native use for it's front-facing camera.

   
   ROFLMAO. again, baseless point. Google talk on 2.3.4 version of android supports video calling. OOOH. I:S hasn't got the update yet. Hmmm.
   
   

   [*]I:S and N:S both feature the latest Android v2.3. While I:S is already v2.4 ready and will recieve an update as soon as Android 2.4 gets released.

   
   wrooooong. N:S already moved to 2.3.4 (though it's not major, this is just an indication of updates. And btw, I:S got 2.3.3 MONTHS after N:S got the same.
   
   

   [*]N:S has a unique slight curvature screen design, which may be freaky to be some but isn't noticeable during normal use.

   
   what kind of reason is this?
   
   

   [*]I:S features HTC's famous Sense UI, while N:S features a plain and simple UI which may be disappointing for some.

   like I said many time sin the past, vanilla android its more of flexibility than disappointment.
   
   
   

   [*]N:S's music quality is outstanding while I:S has a decent music quality.
   [*]Some users have reported that N:S runs a little hot, while at the same time some are having issues with it's volume button on the side, constantly being hit accidently.
   [*]N:S has a call bug where the phones reboots itself/freezes suddenly. (Although I'm not sure if this has been with fixed with an update/not)

hmm. Did you check for the bugs after 2.3.4? coming to the phone heating up, how may and it is an issue in the first place? my n900 gets hot, x10 gets hot, legend used to burn, X7 gets hot. These are smartphones with powerful processors and they do not have any kind of cooling mechanism. slight heat shouldn't matter much.

Personally, I think it's a head-to-head competition and last choice depends on more preferable feature between each phone. As a whole, I:S does win, but bringing the N:S price factor, it may catch the hearts of some users.

again, win where? You still have not proved anything other than camera.

am still ROFLMAOing at your GPU/RAM and frongcam points!

@desiibond: Okay, here's my list

I have refuted 3rd and 5th points in my post. But can you please be brief with the rest of these points (marked as bold).

touch screen: and do you even properly read what I explained earlier. google for oleophobic coating, nexus S touch response and multi point touch tests

flawless google experience: again, read my posts again. not effected by bugs due to these UI overlays, fixes to critical bugs applied ahead of others, no bloatcare that will come in the way, no conflicts between the apps of your choice and the preloaded bloatware apps

gaming: better GPU, slightly better CPU, gyroscope, faster NAND internal user memory makes loading of games faster
PS: oh yes, he did get pawned. else why will he start with "N:S does not even compare to I:S", then to "I don't think N"S is better than I:S", then to "I will not agree that I:S is better than N:S" and finally is doing +1s to your posts