AMD PC Config at 27k

[sbnaul]

Hello guys...

1. What is the purpose of the computer? What all applications and games are you going to run? (Stupid answers like 'gaming' or 'office work' will not work. Be exact. Which games? Which applications? Avoid the word 'et cetera.')
Ans: Games !!! NFS, BF3...

2. What is your overall budget? If you can extend a bit for a more balanced configuration, then mention this too.
Ans: 27k max...

3. Planning to overclock?
Ans: No...

4. Which Operating System are you planning to use?
Ans: Win 7...

5. How much hard drive space is needed?
Ans: 500gbs...

6. Do you want to buy a monitor? If yes, please mention which screen size and resolution do you want. If you already have a monitor and want to reuse it, again mention the size and resolution of monitor you have.
Ans: No, monitor not needed... i have a TFT screen (1024*768)...

7. Which components you DON'T want to buy or which components you already have and plan on reusing?
Ans: Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers...

8. When are you planning to buy the system?
Ans: Jan...

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
Ans: Assembler...

10. Where do you live? Are you buying locally? Are you open to buying stuff from online shops if you don't get locally?
Ans: Mumbai... Buying locally from Lamington...

11. Anything else which you would like to say?
Ans: I prefer an AMD build as i am limited to 27k... Kindly suggest something good... Made the thread as most of the new builds od q4 here are based on intel processors... i dont need a fancy cabinet

 

[vkl]

AMD A10-5800k -8.4k
ASUS F2A85-M-LE -5.8k or ASUS F2A85-M -6.7k
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz)(F3-12800CL9S) 4GB -1.5k
WD Caviar Blue 500GB - 3.3k
Corsair CX430v2 -2.5k
NZXT source 210 elite -2.7k
Asus DRW-24B5ST - 1k

ASUS F2A85-M has 4 memory slots while F2A85-M-LE has 2 memory slots.
The IGP of A10-5800k is pretty good.At 1024*768 the IGP of a10-5800k is sufficient for most games without any problem.
You can always add a discrete GPU if you upgrade to higher resolution monitors.
A10-5800k's IGP can handle quite a number of games at FHD at pretty decent level.

 

[Cilus]

If your sole or main purpose is gaming then I think you should get an Intel 3rd Gen (Ivy bridge) Core i3 based configuration. Currently the only AMD CPU that can counter it at the same price point is A10-5800K but that is little pricy currently. I am suggesting you both the configs based on Intel and AMD.

Intel Based
Intel Core i3 3220 @ 7.1K
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H @ 4.2K
G-Skill RipjawX 1600 MHz CL9 4GB X 1 @ 1.5K
WD Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA II @ 3.3K
Corsair CX 430 V2 PSU @ 2.7K
Corsair Elite 311 @ 2K
MSI HD 7750 OC 1GB GDDR5 @ 6.8K

Total: 27.6K


AMD Based

AMD FX 4100 @ 6.03K (Flipkart)
Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 @ 4K (Flipkart)
G-Skill RipjawX 4GB 1600 MHz CL9 @ 1.5K
WD Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA II @ 3.3K
Corsair CX 430 V2 PSU @ 2.7K
Corsair Elite 311 @ 2K
Gigabyte HD 7770 OC 1GB GDDR5 @ 7.9K

Total: 27.43K

Now, the AMD configuration does have a better Graphics card and a good Processor with slightly lower CPU performance compared to i3 3220. But in gaming, GPU matters more and the FX-4100 + HD 7770 will perform slightly better than the i3 3220 + HD 7750 combination. But remember, FX-4100 consumes more power than i3 3220.

 

[vkl]

^^Though gaming wise both the rigs are fine for the game-play in that resolution.
But at resolutions like 1280*720 or lower there won't be any definite advantage of fx4100+hd7770 over i3 3220+hd7750.
There can be quite a number of instances when the latter combination would perform similarly or faster than the former at 1024*768,despite having ~15-20% slower graphic card.

 

[Cilus]

No, that won't be the case. They might perform similar sometimes but slower performance won't happen. Even at lower resolution, if you play games at highest settings with good Anti-aliasing and AF level, a better GPU will always perform better if the CPU can keep up. FX-4100 is slower but not that much slower compared to i3 2100. If you bring an Athlon II X2 here, then the performance might become lower.

 

[vkl]

Far cry2 1680*1050 HQ
StarCraft2 1680*1050 HQ
Dirt Showdown 1280*800 UHQ

In the first image fx4100 trails the i3 2120 by ~28%(taking fx4100 as base) at 1680*1050,HQ in FC2.Similar thing happens in starcraft2.
Things would be much more CPU dependent at 1024*768 than at 1680*1050.
In the 3rd image fx4170 trails the i3 3240 by ~33% at 1280*800,UHQ.Fx4170 has a stock clock of 0.6GHz more than fx4100.

The deficit would be more at 1024*768.This much of deficit in performance can't be compensated by a 15-20% faster card.
So there can be cases where despite having the better GPU(15-20%) fx4100+hd7770 would perform similar or relatively slower i3 3220+hd7750 at 1024*768.

 

[Cilus]

Ya, I think you got a point. But isn't HD 7770 performs almost similar to HD 6850 after the 12.11 driver update? I don't know why AMD isn't releasing their better quad core models like FX 4170 or FX-4300 in India? FX-4170 is comparable with i3 2100 and FX-4300 performs better than i3 3220 in almost every aspects including gaming.

 

[vkl]

HD7770 is around 15-20% faster than hd7750 after 12.11.Both got performance improvements.
Fx4300 at a good price-point can be a good option as an alternative to i3 3220.
But at lower resolutions for gaming with an equal graphic card i3 3220 would still be a bit ahead of it although at higher resolutions they would be close,fx4300 can be a bit ahead of i3 3220 in some while trailing in some.

 

[ico]

AMD A10-5800k -8.4k
ASUS F2A85-M-LE -5.8k or ASUS F2A85-M -6.7k
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz)(F3-12800CL9S) 4GB -1.5k
WD Caviar Blue 500GB - 3.3k
Corsair CX430v2 -2.5k
NZXT source 210 elite -2.7k
Asus DRW-24B5ST - 1k

ASUS F2A85-M has 4 memory slots while F2A85-M-LE has 2 memory slots.
The IGP of A10-5800k is pretty good.At 1024*768 the IGP of a10-5800k is sufficient for most games without any problem.
You can always add a discrete GPU if you upgrade to higher resolution monitors.
A10-5800k's IGP can handle quite a number of games at FHD at pretty decent level.

+1 for this since the OP is only gaming at 1024x768.

 

[vickybat]

fx 4300 will be launched this month in india according to bitfang. Its currently available there as pre-order but priced very high.

AMD FX-4300 QC Processor, Compare and Buy latest AMD Processors Online in India: bitFang.com

Op better wait for this a bit. Better to go for a decent gpu now than later because monitor can be upgraded anytime.

 

[sbnaul]

First of all i would like to thank vkl, Cilus, ico and vickybat for all the suggestions...

The monitor can be upgraded later on...

After reading your posts i feel the i3 3220 is better than fx4100... Initially i thought that having 4 real cores at 3.6ghz would be better than having 2 real and 2 virtual at 3.3ghz... Anyways gaming just needs 2 cores at good speed so i ll chuck my assumptions...

So presently what i was thinking goes like this :

Intel Core i3 3220 @ 7.1K
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H @ 4.2K
G-Skill RipjawX 4GB 1600 MHz CL9 @ 1.5K
WD Caviar Blue 500 GB SATA II @ 3.3K
Corsair CX 430 V2 PSU @ 2.7K
Corsair Elite 311 @ 2K
Gigabyte HD 7770 OC 1GB GDDR5 @ 7.9K

Total : 28.7k

Its a bit on the higher side though.. U guys suggest swapping any part with the other ??? Or else do you ppl feel that waiting for FX4300 would be worth it ???

 

[sbnaul]

Or else do you guys feel that investment on an AMD 3.3 GHz AM3 FX6100 Processor wrth 7.7k with HD 7750 wud be more fruitful compared to FX4100/i3 with HD 7770... I dont feel that 6 cores would be any useful as gaming just needs 2 cores but still for future needs (like 3 years)... Please suggest...

 

[vkl]

Yes,that config with i3 3220+hd7770 is fine for gaming.fx4300 is still not released here.It(fx4300) would have advantage in some heavily multi-threaded programs over i3 3220.
Gaming wise both would be close,but at 1280*720 or below i3 3220 would be ahead.You can wait for fx4300 if you want.
Fx6100 is not worth it,especially for gaming.Fx6300 is much better than fx6100 but still to be released here.

 

[sbnaul]

Thank You man... i will surely post back as soon as i get my device this jan...

 

[sumonpathak]

erm..if you plan on playing Online BF3 then you will need a quad-core..not HT ones..

 

[d6bmg]

Or else do you guys feel that investment on an AMD 3.3 GHz AM3 FX6100 Processor wrth 7.7k with HD 7750 wud be more fruitful compared to FX4100/i3 with HD 7770... I dont feel that 6 cores would be any useful as gaming just needs 2 cores but still for future needs (like 3 years)... Please suggest...

For descent gaming, HD7770 is the minimum choice. About the choice of processor, go figure.

 

[vkl]

Talking about BF3 multi-player i3 3220 would be better than fx4100.
In BF3 MP fx4100 performs as good as i3 2100.
fx4100 gaming evaluation
Evaluation of BF3 both in single player and multiplayer mode is done.Fx4100 and i3 2100 have nearly identical graphs with i3 2100 having a little lead in fps.

Armored kill CPU performance -64 player server
fx4100 trails i3 2100 here.i3 3220 is clocked higher than i3 2100 and has IPC improvements.fx4300 might compete well with i3 3220.Fx4100 doesn't look like competing with i3 3220 here.Even fx6100 performs well in BF3 MP as it is heavily CPU dependent with lot of calculations but fx6100 has dismal performance in other games,often performing lower than fx4100.
Fx6300 would be good in BF3 MP though,also it performs quite well in other games as well,trades blows with i3 3220 and performs better than fx4300.But it is still to be released here.
Fx6300+hd7770 would be nice if OP can afford and if it is released soon.Else i3 3220+hd7770 is fine.

 

[Minion]

AMD A10-5800k -8.4k
ASUS F2A85-M-LE -5.8k or ASUS F2A85-M -6.7k
G.Skill RipjawsX(1600MHz)(F3-12800CL9S) 4GB -1.5k
WD Caviar Blue 500GB - 3.3k
Corsair CX430v2 -2.5k
NZXT source 210 elite -2.7k
Asus DRW-24B5ST - 1k

ASUS F2A85-M has 4 memory slots while F2A85-M-LE has 2 memory slots.
The IGP of A10-5800k is pretty good.At 1024*768 the IGP of a10-5800k is sufficient for most games without any problem.
You can always add a discrete GPU if you upgrade to higher resolution monitors.
A10-5800k's IGP can handle quite a number of games at FHD at pretty decent level.

This is a pretty good rig even though i3 may sightly perform better in games but 4 cores has its advantages now getting a quadcore will be good fo

 

[Cilus]

But, vkl, FX 4100 can be overclocked and with its stock cooler, it can run at 3.8 GHz speed. With a decent cooler like Hyper TX3 Evo, it can easily get past 4GHz. In that speed the performance difference between the i3 and FX 4100 are not that much. Since I am working on couple of tweak for both Bulldozer and Piledriver CPUs, I know how they can improve performance. Without overclocking the CPU, by just increasing Turbo mode multiplier, you can run the FX series processor at full speed of the Turbo, all the 4 cores. All you need to do is to go to the BIOS and increase the Turbo Multiplier value. For example you have set it to 20, resulting a 4GHz Turbo frequency jump. But don't disable any CPu power saving features, mainly Cool 'n Quiet.

Now before starting the game, if you change the Power mode of the Windows 7 to High performance setting run any applications, all the four cores will jump to 4GHz speed and will be there until the applications is terminated. You don't need to think about CPU voltage or base clock frequency as they will be adjusted automatically. This kind of automatic overclocking reduce power consumption and also enable automatic overclocking only when applications require it and prevents it run at high speed all the time. These kind of small tweaking ca actually reduce the performance gap between it ad i3.

Also, here is the conclusion from the review link you have posted:-

Conclusion
One word, if you are a gamer on a budget spend more money for a better graphics card than a CPU. Even in lower resolutions, today’s DX-11 games at higher image quality really need a high performance GPU. Higher image quality settings can transform a game in to magic. Most of the times that will be doable with a higher performance graphics card.
AMD’s FX4100 and Intel’s Core i3 2100 are both adequate for a budget gaming system. We strongly believe that final purchase decision between those two CPUs will not be about the performance. Something else like lower power consumption, upgradability or even a platform feature will be the deciding factor.

So, even at lower resolution, a capable enough CPU and more powerful graphics card is recommended, as per the reviewers.

 

[Minion]

Sbnaul,I am not against Intel but to get maximum from you PC you should get A10 based rig as suggested by vlk.no offence but if you decide to run java IDE or oracle or virtual machine later for learning purpose then a quadcore will be better.
Think you have some work to do if you are given a option to choose between 2 people and 4 people for same labour charge which option do you think you choose I guess 4 people right this is same situation as 4 core and 2 core.
Plz don't go by those reviews they will always try to prove intel is good don't go by their nos. one great example of this is tomshardware.com
Read this page you will know what I am saying for this reason I stopped reading reviews from this site.
LINK
FX-8350: Still Not The FX Us Old-Timers Remember