AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon II

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

I am little skeptic about the reviewers. When Radeon 6850 & 6870 first came out, they said the 6850 was on par with 460 768mb and the 6870 was actually inferior to 460 1gb, albeit a heavily OCed one. These days I see the 6850 constantly beats the 460 1gb in almost every reviews. Similarly, the Phenom II X6 has become a pretty good processor, people are actually saying to get it instead of a BD, but when it first came out I had seen very few recommendations, almost none.

It's always better to judge by yourself, what you want and at what price and what are the best available products at that price.

 

[sukesh1090]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

according to me reviews should be given with pros and cons with listing the features it lacks and extra it is having,so that consumer look at the feature he will use more and buy accordingly.

 

[d6bmg]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

well i hv one query for you

which is good INtel Core i5 2500k
or BullDozer FX 8120

i am doing App Developemet, Gaming and rendering video !

and i want system future proof for atleast 4-5 years!!!!!

plz suggest !

i5 2500k. Pair it with a P67/Z68 based board, and it will beat 8120 easily in case of running any software presently.

 

[Cilus]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

I am little skeptic about the reviewers. When Radeon 6850 & 6870 first came out, they said the 6850 was on par with 460 768mb and the 6870 was actually inferior to 460 1gb, albeit a heavily OCed one. These days I see the 6850 constantly beats the 460 1gb in almost every reviews. Similarly, the Phenom II X6 has become a pretty good processor, people are actually saying to get it instead of a BD, but when it first came out I had seen very few recommendations, almost none.

It's always better to judge by yourself, what you want and at what price and what are the best available products at that price.

It is not true for most of the highly reputed site; I remember reading guru3d review for HD6850 and HD6870 where they stated that HD6870 is equivalent to GTX 470 and HD 6850 is very close to GTX 460 1 GB. It is after couple of driver updates, HD 6800 series got a performance boost to beat their Nvidia counterparts soundly.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

dont consider Guru3Ds conclusions. They also copy-paste a lot of data and never re-do previous card scores for new reviews.

 

[vaibhav23]

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Have Bulldozer laptops started hitting the market hard yet ?? I've barely seen any 32nm AMD hearts powering laptops, atleast in India (except bobcat).

Asus X Series X53TA-SX096D Laptop: Flipkart.com: Compare, Review Asus Notebook
A VFM laptop in true sense though processor clocks are on the lower side

 

[skeletor]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Have Bulldozer laptops started hitting the market hard yet ?? I've barely seen any 32nm AMD hearts powering laptops, atleast in India (except bobcat).

Bulldozer laptops? nope and I doubt they'd hit. Trinity laptops (Fusion) will come around March. But Llano fusion laptops have hit the market though. Have a look at the laptop posted by Sunny10. Really VFM and great for the price.

Guaranteed better battery life compared to Sandy Birdge laptops with/without discrete GPU. CPU is a bit slow, but the IGP is really discrete class and energy efficient.

For gaming and battery life on the go, I'd get that.

 

[sukesh1090]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Asus X Series X53TA-SX096D Laptop: Flipkart.com: Compare, Review Asus Notebook
A VFM laptop in true sense though processor clocks are on the lower side

why the hell they have clocked it that low?1.4GHz is too low even today's smart phones come at that clock speed.

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

dont consider Guru3Ds conclusions. They also copy-paste a lot of data and never re-do previous card scores for new reviews.

Even Anandtech do the same. Check the review of 8150, 1100XT and i7 2600k/i5 2500k, the fps scores were identical for older processors right up to the decimal. I get a feel whenever there are quite a few comparisons going on, its plain copy-paste.

 

[skeletor]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

and that is the reason why HardOCP is the best for GPU reviews.

Generally for CPUs, using older scores is fine. Because *driver* isn't involved.

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

and that is the reason why HardOCP is the best for GPU reviews.

Generally for CPUs, using older scores is fine. Because *driver* isn't involved.

I agree on that.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

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*www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1318034683VZqVQLiVuL_6_3.png*media.bestofmicro.com/L/M/310522/original/7-zip.png

what do these represent?

if we see cinebench (multithreaded) -
AMD FX 8150 - 8120 - 6100 and 4100 performance review
here 8120 is ahead.
here behind - HARDOCP - 3D Rendering - AMD Bulldozer / FX-8150 Desktop Performance Review

if we see Hard review and G3D review -
HARDOCP - Introduction - AMD Bulldozer / FX-8150 Desktop Performance Review
AMD FX 8150 - 8120 - 6100 and 4100 performance review

in many multithreaded bench we see 8120 ahead of 2500k (taking lower is better and higher is better into account)

So why dont we suggest it? (taking multi gpu gaming out of account )

power consumption is less than i7 920 level, didnt we suggest a i7 920 in nehalem days?

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

It is not true for most of the highly reputed site; I remember reading guru3d review for HD6850 and HD6870 where they stated that HD6870 is equivalent to GTX 470 and HD 6850 is very close to GTX 460 1 GB. It is after couple of driver updates, HD 6800 series got a performance boost to beat their Nvidia counterparts soundly.

Of course I am generalizing here, not talking about any particular site.

 

[coderunknown]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

why the hell they have clocked it that low?1.4GHz is too low even today's smart phones come at that clock speed.

a 2Ghz ARM dual core (Exynos 5250) should be lot slower than a 1Ghz AMD dual core (C50/C60).

and intel proccy based lappy with similar graphics power will cost north of 35k. decide yourself.

 

[AcceleratorX]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

I agree that many of the review scores simply do not get updated. Two sites I do trust (a lot) are X-bit labs and IXBT Labs (despite the names, they are independent of each other).

X-bit labs: PC Hardware News, Reviews and Benchmarks
iXBT Labs - Computer Hardware In Detail - Objective and detailed PC hardware reviews and industry news

IXBT provides a chart i3DSpeed almost every month where they select a large assortment of graphics cards currently popular and available in the market and test them with the latest available drivers on a standardized platform. In this instant, you can actually see changes between the driver versions (and in their charts, pretty much GTX 560 = HD 6870 in terms of performance, but they give a higher overall score to 6870 because it's often cheaper)

IMO IXBT's i3DSpeed is a fairly accurate estimation of performance between AMD and NVIDIA GPUs.

X-bit labs also takes the effort, but their reviews are slow and few in number compared to other sites like Anandtech.

Techspot, and X-bit also continually test current GPUs with the latest games and drivers to give you an idea of how each game behaves with each company's GPU.

Yet another site is BeHardware, but their reviews are slow too and not a lot in number. All three of these sites came up with the similar conclusion that GTX 560 = HD 6870, for example, when all others clearly write in favour of one or the other.

These three sites also don't write off bulldozer........

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

and that is the reason why HardOCP is the best for GPU reviews.

Generally for CPUs, using older scores is fine. Because *driver* isn't involved.

HardOCP GPU reviews are flawed. They often have variations in the settings used for different GPUs when comparing. They also never max-out in-game settings to test framerates.
They are more of a "what can happen in these settings" rather than "how this GPU performs." While I like the fact that they mention that they find some settings unplayable, they should tone down the settings for the other GPUs to get credible comaprative data.

The problem with CPU tests is that in case there are major OS updates/upgrades, performance can be altered by a small amount.
For good CPU performance estimates you should look at those reviews where they mention the test hardware for all the CPUs being compared. Estimates is a key word here, because no two rigs are identical (even OEM ones) and there will be minor alterations in the results. You get a good range

 

[skeletor]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

be quiet.

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

in many multithreaded bench we see 8120 ahead of 2500k (taking lower is better and higher is better into account)

So why dont we suggest it? (taking multi gpu gaming out of account )

power consumption is less than i7 920 level, didnt we suggest a i7 920 in nehalem days?

I guess you are not talking about Trifire, but still have a look at this link I have posted earlier:-

X79 / Z68 / 990FX CrossFireX HD 6970 x3 Performance Analysis :: TweakTown USA Edition

Now go to Amazon or Newegg (even Indian sites would do, I guess), get the price of CPU and mobo of each platforms, check how much USD you are spending for each fps for each platform, BD won't look bad after that. Not even taking into account that CPUs are OCed to different levels.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Got it

Some guys are saying BD is a sellout success because of low yields over at the Nvidia forums.

 

[skeletor]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Trifire etc is out of the equation for 99.5% people.

i5-2500k > FX-8120.