AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon II

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

At the current price point, it's a no brainer.

But 8150 is some 2k cheaper than i7 2600k, so it might get interesting.

I am searching for a proper Crossfire review of BD not taking into account HardOCP, as they have done it mostly at Eyefinity resolution.

 

[sukesh1090]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

BD may look interesting because it is cheaper than 2600k and also its total platform costs less when compared to the SB.so people may be buying it and also i guess the supply of BD is not meeting the demand because of which they get sold off immediately as they arrive.

 

[Cool Buddy]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

This news makes me want to upgrade quickly, before the Athlons and Phenoms leave the market

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

It was declared much earlier that Phenom II production would be stopped in Q4. So this is no surprise. And AMD is doing the right thing; they have supported AM3 CPUs for a long time and there's no point creating internal competition for BD. There's already Llano (2 new unlocked processors listed and should release before Christmas) for low-end and Trinity is on track for a Q1 2012 release. They should concentrate on FM2, Trinity and PD now instead of anything else. And a newer chipset for top-end CPUs, yeah, scrapping all the backward compatibilities whatsoever.

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And BD continues to be very interesting read:-

AMD cuts 800M transistors off Bulldozer, confusion ensues | ExtremeTech

One of the puzzles of Bulldozer was what, exactly, the chip’s two billion transistors were doing. The chip’s density put it on par with Llano, but performance lagged far behind any Intel solution and barely matched AMD’s old CPUs. The consensus was that at least some of those transistors were byproducts of a fully automated design process with an unusually high degree of overhead.

Best-case scenario here is that Bulldozer’s 1.2B transistor count is somewhat lower than it should be, but still much closer to what everyone expected and in line with expected transistor density improvements from the shift from 45nm to 32nm. It implies that Bulldozer did deliver the transistor savings and die area reductions that were expected, but is hamstrung by lousy cache performance. That’s certainly in line with our own findings, which suggest that BD’s “real” performance is hidden by cache latencies.

 

[skeletor]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

AMD idiots don't know how to market. Good that they sacked 95% of their PR guys.

This mistake is unacceptable.

Sandy Bridge is 220 sq. mm for ~1 B transistors. 315 sq. mm is pretty big for a 1.2 B transistor chip. More weird because GloFo's gate-first should be a bit denser than Intel's gate-last. Tells me something is wrong with GloFo's process. May be, a less dense chip to increase yields? Weird.

Have a look at how dense Llano is (due to GPU) and how crap its yields are on GloFo's process.

 

[Extreme Gamer]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Good thing they are switching over to TSMC.

 

[sukesh1090]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

and here finally PII and AII shipment stopped,
Report: AMD Stops Shipping Phenom II and Athlon II CPUs

 

[d6bmg]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

and here finally PII and AII shipment stopped,
Report: AMD Stops Shipping Phenom II and Athlon II CPUs

Now one can expect sharp price-drop, considering the fact that shops will start stock clearance sell inside 1-2 months.

 

[ranjitsd]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Now one can expect sharp price-drop, considering the fact that shops will start stock clearance sell inside 1-2 months.

maybe they will increase the price of llano and FX cpu

 

[d6bmg]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

^^ Then that would be bad marketing tactics & might backfire. Performance-wise it won't be wise at all.

 

[coderunknown]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

price may actually drop as the highend APUs will be replaced by unlocked ones.

 

[Jaskanwar Singh]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

AMD Gives Bulldozer 6-core a Speed-Bump with FX-6200 | techPowerUp

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

*www.techpowerup.com/img/11-12-14/60a.jpg


So AMD admitting that the FX6100 is inferior to 1100T. Hopefully, the FX6200 will be based on the B3 stepping. Waiting for some benchmarks.

 

[vaibhav23]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

the pic shoes 20% performance bump from FX-6100
I too wishing it to be on B3 steppng

 

[$$Lionking$$]

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*www.hardocp.com/images/articles/1318034683VZqVQLiVuL_6_3.png*media.bestofmicro.com/L/M/310522/original/7-zip.png

what do these represent?

if we see cinebench (multithreaded) -
AMD FX 8150 - 8120 - 6100 and 4100 performance review
here 8120 is ahead.
here behind - HARDOCP - 3D Rendering - AMD Bulldozer / FX-8150 Desktop Performance Review

if we see Hard review and G3D review -
HARDOCP - Introduction - AMD Bulldozer / FX-8150 Desktop Performance Review
AMD FX 8150 - 8120 - 6100 and 4100 performance review

in many multithreaded bench we see 8120 ahead of 2500k (taking lower is better and higher is better into account)

So why dont we suggest it? (taking multi gpu gaming out of account )

power consumption is less than i7 920 level, didnt we suggest a i7 920 in nehalem days?

how many apps do you use that are capable of using 8 cores?

multi-core performance is really good... but at the end of the day its there because getting higher IPC is much more difficult... IPC is always better vs multicore - its better to do 4 things fast rather than doing 8things slow... My version of 2500k vs. BD!!!

with higher IPC you get much more even performance... unlikely with BD core... take a gamer for example - Resident Evil 5 was a game that cud use 8 threads.... so BD will do just fine there - although if you play NFS hot pursuit 2010 on it which is single threaded - you are going to experience stuttering... u might even end up bottlenecking ur GPU...!! - You dont want that kinda stuff happening from a chip thats costing 12+ grand right?

with a 2500k/2600k you get performance in both scenario's
@power consumption - it actually adds up to the cost of the whole machine if ur overclocking.... it takes up almost 500W @4.6GHz... if ur putting in a bunch of hardware more then ure probably going to need something like GS800...

while i5 2500k OC to 4.8GHz +gpu etc.. will probably work with Seasonic 500W....!!

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

The best combo for me would have been an Intel SB CPU on an AMD 990FX mobo. Total VFM.

 

[$$Lionking$$]

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Skud - hehehe.. why dont u go for 1090T OC?? Its going to be faster than BD 6200...!

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Pondering over the budget. And also current prices. Every online shops are increasing prices. In any case, don't want to spend on a new SMPS.

 

[$$Lionking$$]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

really 1090T prices are going up?? :O
dude - uve got an HX750 - u can even buy a bulldozer if u like!

btw ur 6950 isnt bottlenecked by ur e7400??

 

[Skud]

Re: AMD Bulldozer A Surprisingly Sell-Out Sales Success. Victims: Phenom II & Athlon

Don't know about 1090t specifically, but there's an upward trend. Even Flipkart has increased prices.

Regarding HX750, I am actually planning for cfx and hope that the SMPS will play well with the cards along with a i7/BD and would allow me some OC if necessary.

6950 is definitely bottlenecked by E7400. Poor man's way of upgrading, part by part at a time.