$10,000 Mac hack affects Windows too

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nepcker

nepcker

Proud Mac Pro Owner
Oops... messed up again... Here's what I really intended to say:
You can hack Windows which has no application running.

I didn't mean that you can hack Windows by just staring at your computer, without usinf any programs, but what I wanted to say was that you can hack Windows even if it isn't running any programs.
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
You can hack Windows which has no application running.
Wow, & how do u do that? cos by default the file & print sharing is enabled in windows only for the same workgroup with disabled public share & no application is running, Plz enlighten us.
 

mediator

Technomancer
nepcker said:
You can hack Windows which has no application running.
"No applications" further means that no server application is running i.e no print and file sharing services, no telnet,http,ftp,ssh,daytime,snmp,smtp server etc. How will u even connect to windows then when such kind of applications aren't running?
BTW, "windows" itself is a software. How will u hack windows when windows isn't running?

nepcker said:
but what I wanted to say was that you can hack Windows even if it isn't running any programs.
Hmm.....then hacking windows system running all kinds of server apps must be a child's play? Why don't we see Microsoft sites getting hacked each day then?

Please do provide some tutorials as I want to refine my hacking skills so as to "hack Windows which isn't even running any programs." ......i.e to hack an up-to-date windows systems in wateva way u mean!!
 

eddie

El mooooo
For those who are discussing the JavaScript thing. I had read this thing on ITWeek and PCAuthority but I am sorry to say that I have not been able to locate it again. Since I can not mention any sources...I take those words back and apologise if I hurt any feelings. I still stand by what I read though. The vulnerability does involve JavaScript but in lack of sources...it is for every individual to believe what they want.
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Zeeshan Quireshi said:
well as far as i know JAVA n javascript r ENTIRELY different things .

java is a professional grade application development language whereas javascript(officially ECMAScript) is a scripting language not means for heavy duty development .
There you go. I did not know the exact difference but I was fairly certain that JAVA and JavaScript are entirely different languages.

And I was also right about the fact that this recent hacks exploits JAVA, not JavaScript. :)
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
mediator said:
"No applications" further means that no server application is running i.e no print and file sharing services, no telnet,http,ftp,ssh,daytime,snmp,smtp server etc. How will u even connect to windows then when such kind of applications aren't running?
BTW, "windows" itself is a software. How will u hack windows when windows isn't running?

Hmm.....then hacking windows system running all kinds of server apps must be a child's play? Why don't we see Microsoft sites getting hacked each day then?
:D
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
aryayush said:
There you go. I did not know the exact difference but I was fairly certain that JAVA and JavaScript are entirely different languages.

And I was also right about the fact that this recent hacks exploits JAVA, not JavaScript. :)

JAVA Script - Language to call JAVA applets in a web browser or to link those Java applets running in a web browser to external plugins or decoders.

Suppose this is a hack of Javascript, even then Javascript function calls quicktime using JAVA, means if u disable java even then u will be exploited cos quicktime will require this JAVA applet (qtjava) to work.

If it comes to disabling, you can disable anything :D.
 

kalpik

In Pursuit of "Happyness"
gx_saurav said:
JAVA Script - Language to call JAVA applets in a web browser or to link those Java applets running in a web browser to external plugins or decoders.
May i know from where you got this? Cuz this is pure BS.

gx_saurav said:
Javascript is a method to show JAVA apps or applets inside a web browser. DUe to JAVAscript things became cross platform & JAVA's became popular, although now we have better cross platform technologies but still JAVAScript is used.
Oh boy.. What to say now.. You've left me speechless.. :rolleyes:
 
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mehulved

18 Till I Die............
gx_saurav said:
Javascript is a method to show JAVA apps or applets inside a web browser. DUe to JAVAscript things became cross platform & JAVA's became popular, although now we have better cross platform technologies but still JAVAScript is used.

Apple Mac has JAVA runtime already installed means JAVAScript & JAVA bugs are automatically there.
I am totally dumbfounded by your supreme knowledge. Well I will archive it somewhere so I can recollect this whenever I try to learn java or javascript.
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
LOL! You won't have to learn both of them individually, mate - because both of them are the same. :lol:

tech_your_future said:
I am totally dumbfounded by your supreme knowledge.
And here I was, thinking you'd be used to it by now. I am always confident that I can fall back on certain people on this forum whenever I need the opinion of a genius. :D

kalpik said:
May i know from where you got this?
I would tell you the source but then I would risk being indecent. Well, here's a hint anyway: that place is not generally used for speech and it is nearer to the brain of the person in question (compared to the mouth)! :lol:
 

mediator

Technomancer
You won't have to learn both of them individually, mate - because both of them are the same.
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For @all!
So... what is the difference between Java and JavaScript anyway?

They are both similar and quite different depending on how you look at them. First their lineage:

Java is an Object Oriented Programming (OOP) language created by James Gosling of Sun Microsystems. JavaScript was created by the fine people at Netscape. JavaScript is a distant cousin of Java. It is also an OOP language. Many of their programming structures are similar. However, JavaScript contains a much smaller and simpler set of commands than does Java. It is easier for the average weekend warrior to understand.

You may be wondering what OOP means by now. Object Oriented Programming is a relatively new concept, whereas the sum of the parts of a program make up the whole. Think of it this way: you are building a model car. You build the engine first. It can stand alone. It is an engine and everyone can see it's an engine. Next you build the body. It can also stand alone. Finally, you build the interior including the seats, steering wheel, and whatnot. Each, by itself is a object. But it is not a fully functioning car until all the pieces are put together. The sum of the objects (parts) make up the whole.

Continuing with the model car example, when you built the engine, you didn't use any of the parts that would later build the seats (a 350 four-barrel engine with a seat belt sticking out if the piston would look pretty silly). The point is that all the parts that made up the engine were of a certain class of parts. They all went together. Ditto with the body and then the interior.

The point is that in these languages, you build objects out of classes of commands to create the whole. Understand the terminology? Good. Moving along...

Now let's talk about how Java and JavaScript differ.The main difference is that Java can stand on its own while JavaScript must be placed inside an HTML document to function. Java is a much larger and more complicated language that creates "standalone" applications. A Java "applet" (so-called because it is a little application) is a fully contained program. JavaScript is text that is fed into a browser that can read it and then is enacted by the browser.

Another major difference is how the language is presented to the end user (that's you when you're surfing). Java must be compiled into what is known as a "machine language" before it can be run on the Web. Basically what happens is after the programmer writes the Java program and checks it for errors, he or she hands the text over to another computer program that changes the text code into a smaller language. That smaller language is formatted so that it is seen by the computer as a set program with definite beginning and ending points. Nothing can be added to it and nothing can be subtracted without destroying the program.

JavaScript is text-based. You write it to an HTML document and it is run through a browser. You can alter it after it runs and run it again and again. Once the Java is compiled, it is set. Sure, you can go back to the original text and alter it, but then you need to compile again.

Java applets run independent of the HTML document that is calling for them. Sure, they appear on the page, but the HTML document did little more than call for the application and place it. If the programmer allows it, oftentimes parameters can be set by the HTML document. This includes the background color of the applet of the type of text it displays, etc. The delivery of the applet is done through a download. The HTML document calls for the application, it downloads to the user's cache, and waits to run. JavaScript is wholly reliant on the browser to understand it and make it come to life.

So, what are the benefits of using one over the other? There are several. If you can understand Java, it is amazingly versatile. Because of the size and structure of the language, it can be used to create anything from small Web page events to entire databases to full browsers. The program I use to track my advertising banners is Java.

In my opinion, JavaScript's main benefit is that it can be understood by the common human. It is much easier and more robust than Java. It allows for fast creation of Web page events. Many JavaScript commands are what are known as Event Handlers: They can be embedded right into existing HTML commands. JavaScript is a little more forgiving than Java. It allows more freedom in the creation of objects. Java is very rigid and requires all items to be denoted and spelled out. JavaScript allows you to call on an item that already exists, like the status bar or the browser itself, and play with just that part. JavaScript is geared to Web pages. Java is geared toward where it is needed most at the time.

Both will create great Web page events. Both can offer interaction between the user and your Web page. But they are not created equally by any means.

So to answer the question of which to use where... use whichever fits your needs. That sounds like a cop-out answer, but remember that the applets and JavaScript are most often offered on the Net as fully functioning items. You simply grab them from the Net and use them on your page (provided you are given permission). There are many, many sites out there that do nothing more than hand out applets or JavaScript. Gamelan.com is a good one for applets. Take a look at javascripts.com for over 2300 free JavaScript scripts. The HTML Goodies Applet and JavaScript Tutorials will teach you how to implement these items on your pages. They will not teach you to write the languages, but rather instruct you on placing functioning applets and JavaScript scripts on your Web pages. It is a good introduction to the formats. Once you know how to get these pups on your pages, you'll understand more about their structures and can then more easily attempt to learn the language and create functioning JavaScripts or applets yourself.
*www.htmlgoodies.com/beyond/javascript/article.php/3470971
Google for more to find out!
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
There are major differences between JAVA and JavaScript and the most important thing, in this context, is that a vulnerability discovered in QuickTime's handling of JAVA does not mean that JavaScript is also affected. Both Mac and Windows users can easily disable JAVA and they will be immune from this exploit.

That said, why should I have to do that! I won't. And Apple had better release a patch for it ASAP, as I am sure they will.

@mediator,
That reply was to a conversation we'd been having for the past few posts and it was a sarcastic comment. I know that JAVA is very different from JavaScript unlike some of the adults among us immature children who have "supreme knowledge".
 

mediator

Technomancer
My reply wasn't specific to u brother. That's why I requested @all to read it and get their confusion cleared out. For a simple thing people r fighting and some r giving their expert opinions! That's why I quoted the whole thing coz first people ask for source and when u give it then they don't even bother to read the links either! :oops:
 
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