Gaming System : High End - Queries

[Zangetsu]

Also, the SP Road guys keep telling me that the Prices of all computer items have increased. And minor fluctuation will be there everyday.

OMG by how much margin...or Rs...

AMD zindabad then 4 budget gamers...

 

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WRT the graphics card, I have finally decided on these 2 options: NVIDIA GTX 260 Core 216 or ATI Radeon 4870 1GB. Dunno if both are available in Bangalore. But, I am willing to wait till it arrives.

I have read some reviews on Techreport, AnandTech, ExtremeTech & others. This is what they say:
* it is not clear on which to choose as both are equally good
* both cards are good, but NVIDIA is a better option

for GTX 260 : It is Fast, good power efficiency, low noise. But Poor performance with AA modes above 4x.
for ATI 4870: Excellent AA performance, especially 8xAA. Poor idle power utilization, reference cooler could be better.

Check reviews here:
The Radeon HD 4870 1GB: The Card to Get
GeForce GTX 260 reloaded vs. the Radeon HD 4870 1GB
GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 and ATI Radeon HD 4870 1GB Review

I have also read many more Heated-Discussions between the two cards. The final conclusion I got from all that was to buy the card wrt "which game supports which card better".

i m not able to understand even after reading the anadtech review u can have doubts about HD4870 1Gb vs gtx260 core 216....

well the most important point in that review is ....they find it difficult to choose cos both are similarly priced in US market for about $289 ....still HD4870 1GB was cheaper $10~$20....clearly there are some games in which gtx260 does perform marginally better but its definitely not worth cos HD4870 offers more value for money and much better performance in higher resolution with eye candies on.

now coming to indian market..... here is the situation HD4870 (512 Mb) is available for 16.5k while plain gtx260 is still 19.5k costing 3k more ..which isn't worth at all ..infact HD4870(512 MB) is generally considered better than plain gtx260

again HD4870 (pre-overclocked) models are available for 18k ..that will perform much better than gtx260 ...so even if gtx260 core 216 comes to India u can imagine its cost ...will be around 23-24k seeing current price trends,while so far there is no news of gtx260 core 216 ....someone has already bought a plait HD4870 1GB sonic (means pre-overclocked model ) for about 20k in banglore..when prices are soring sky high

which will beat gtx260 core 216 anyday ...on much cheaper price ....usually 3-4k cheaper ..this is the story of India ..and since u are buying in india ..HD4870 1GB wins all the way ...

had it been same price for same ..i would have said choose according to the games u like and things like that ...

Also, the Nehalem/X58 launch dates of Nov 18th are haunting me to go for that.

well wiser choice will be to spend it nehalem cos once nehalem comes it will be with newer socket,DDR3 RAM ..and lowest nehalem will cost about the price of highest quad core ....since u are spending so much now ...assuming nehalem launches in nov ..u will have a very strong system in about 3-4 months in same price..

well it may not be availbable by the end of this year ..but IMO investing this kind of serious money will be more worth in nehalem rather than things u have now ...

Even then, I am still in a confusion as to which one to go between the two. If I go for NVIDIA, i can't SLI. Will have to buy a newer m/b. If I go for ATI, I can crossfire but the P45 chipset will be a bottleneck. So Help me to decide between these 2 GRAPHICS cards. And you can point out if I said something wrong anywhere.

P45 chipset will have obvious bottleneck since crossfire works in 8x/8x mode ...to get full potential of 16x/16x ..u need to go for a x48 mobo

 

[comp@ddict]

Or an X38 is okay too

Like ABIT X38 QUAD GT @ 11k

 

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Or an X38 is okay too

Like ABIT X38 QUAD GT @ 11k

oh ABIT (EOL)..any other X38 or X48 mobo thats comes around 12~13k ??

 

[DigitalDude]

^^^
I could find some,

Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 - 12k
Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 - 12.3k


MSI X48C Platinum - 13.8k

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^^^
I could find some,

Gigabyte GA-EX38-DS4 - 12k
Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 - 12.3k


MSI X48C Platinum - 13.8k

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oh thats great ....thanks for sharing this info ...i thought they are all very costly ...but i guess buying MSI X48C platium is much better choice over over X38 mobo ...cos it supports both DDR2 and DDR3 and x48 chipset and all with a price of 13.8k ...i guess its ultimate gaming mobo ...for this price ...

 

[ultimategpu]

oh thats great ....thanks for sharing this info ...i thought they are all very costly ...but i guess buying MSI X48C platium is much better choice over over X38 mobo ...cos it supports both DDR2 and DDR3 and x48 chipset and all with a price of 13.8k ...i guess its ultimate gaming mobo ...for this price ...

can anyone tell me what will be the between these 2 setups

1)AMD phenom x49550+asus m3a78-em(mobo)+palit 4850+2GB ddr2 ????

2)Intel core2quad6600+MSI p45 chipset + palit 4850+2GB ddr2???

using only for gaming and multitasking 3d rendering---------- can anyone help?????

 

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can anyone tell me what will be the between these 2 setups

1)AMD phenom x49550+asus m3a78-em(mobo)+palit 4850+2GB ddr2 ????

2)Intel core2quad6600+MSI p45 chipset + palit 4850+2GB ddr2???

using only for gaming and multitasking 3d rendering---------- can anyone help?????

if u are asking about gaming performance intel will be better ...and E8400/E8500 will be even better for gaming than core2Quad

*www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/11/amd_phenom_x4_9850_9750_and_9550_b3_cpus/7

and in general also C2Q will perform much better in almost anything u can think of its much better architecture..

 

[ultimategpu]

if u are asking about gaming performance intel will be better ...and E8400/E8500 will be even better for gaming than core2Quad

*www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/04/11/amd_phenom_x4_9850_9750_and_9550_b3_cpus/7

and in general also C2Q will perform much better in almost anything u can think of its much better architecture..

k i just heard that future coming games building on the multi cores processing ---- and E8500 is the best proc for gaming right now but ---- the future games??? ---- can u tell about the core2quads and phenom 9550/9750 --- but in some tests AMD beats INTEL ----but INTEL scores better , i m aiming on the budget gaming for good performance /// thus 9550 and 9750 are the TLB bug cleared processor and it does low heat and quiet ---- c2q6600 is also good ----- i am so confused so can u tell me ????

 

[harryneopotter]

I think the AMD rig will give u better performance in games,multitasking or 3d rendering. Also the AMD Mobo will be power friendly as it will ue Hybrid Power mode when coupled with 4850. So a win win situation .........

 

[comp@ddict]

can anyone tell me what will be the between these 2 setups

1)AMD phenom x49550+asus m3a78-em(mobo)+palit 4850+2GB ddr2 ????

2)Intel core2quad6600+MSI p45 chipset + palit 4850+2GB ddr2???

using only for gaming and multitasking 3d rendering---------- can anyone help?????

1) bad, very bad

2) goddie

 

[techking_dinesh]

This is not the right time to upgrade according to me because
1. Sensex done prices going high
2. w8ing for result on nehalem
3. lots of new tech coming which might make ur latest rig very ordinary

It is better to w8 till december and best to buy in march

well it is my opinion everything is up 2 u

 

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k i just heard that future coming games building on the multi cores processing ---- and E8500 is the best proc for gaming right now but ---- the future games???

such games will come in about a years time ..and they will be very few ..initially..like may be farcry2 will support multi cores ..but i don't think they will perform like chalk and cheese with core 2 duo and core 2 quad .....E8400/E8500 is the best investment for gaming CPU if u want to use it for next 1-5 to 2 years...

---- can u tell about the core2quads and phenom 9550/9750 --- but in some tests AMD beats INTEL ----but INTEL scores better

intel core2quads gives u pinnacle of performance ..and i m not talking about Q6600 here ..Q9xxx series is simply superb

and what do u mean AMD beats INTEL ..but intel scores better ?? mostly in a benchmark if score is better it beats the other thing that has lower score..

i m aiming on the budget gaming for good performance /// thus 9550 and 9750 are the TLB bug cleared processor and it does low heat and quiet ---- c2q6600 is also good ----- i am so confused so can u tell me ????

C2Q is so much better in performance and thats the reason its costlier than ...X4 9550 and 9750..

simply having four cores doesn't always give great performance ..there is so much into architecture that can give overall performance ..and thats the case with C2Q ..if u want we can discuss the architecture in detail ..

 

[ultimategpu]

such games will come in about a years time ..and they will be very few ..initially..like may be farcry2 will support multi cores ..but i don't think they will perform like chalk and cheese with core 2 duo and core 2 quad .....E8400/E8500 is the best investment for gaming CPU if u want to use it for next 1-5 to 2 years...



intel core2quads gives u pinnacle of performance ..and i m not talking about Q6600 here ..Q9xxx series is simply superb

and what do u mean AMD beats INTEL ..but intel scores better ?? mostly in a benchmark if score is better it beats the other thing that has lower score..


ok i am not asking about Q9xxx series intel ----------> i know this proc is good and it is not comparable wit AMD phenom ----------> but can u tell me about the q6600 that is also 65nm architecture , AMD 9850 beats q6600 is it true ????

 

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ok i am not asking about Q9xxx series intel ----------> i know this proc is good and it is not comparable wit AMD phenom ----------> but can u tell me about the q6600 that is also 65nm architecture , AMD 9850 beats q6600 is it true ????

with latest price cut from AMD both the Proccy costs the same ...and AMD 9850 does perform a little better but consumes a hell lot more power and gaming performance is still not great compared to Q6600 ...Q6600 is old and will soon be replaced by Q93xx models ..for more info check this out

*www.legitreviews.com/article/682/14/

*www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_phenom_9850_black_edition_review/page14.asp

*hothardware.com/Articles/AMD-Phenom-X4-9850-B3-Revision/?page=9

*www.techspot.com/review/93-amd-phenom-9850-black-edition/page11.html

*www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3737046__11

*www.zdnet.com.au/reviews/hardware/desktops/soa/AMD-Phenom-X4-9850/0,139023402,339287832,00.htm

 

[ultimategpu]

1) bad, very bad

2) goddie

does the AMD perform the hybrid crossfire with asus mobo --------> so how u say it is very bad ---------> i am not neglecting the E8400 its performance is different but what u say about the hybrid cross fire technology????

 

[max_demon]

[Offtopic]@ThreadStarter , Does Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP supports HDMI? afaik Dell E248WFP was availeble for 24-25k ....Ultrasharp 2408WFP is 40k i guess?[/offtopic]

 

[ultimategpu]

[Offtopic]@ThreadStarter , Does Dell Ultrasharp 2408WFP supports HDMI? afaik Dell E248WFP was availeble for 24-25k ....Ultrasharp 2408WFP is 40k i guess?[/offtopic]

if the monitor has 1080i that means it supports hdmi and blu ray

 

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if the monitor has 1080i that means it supports hdmi and blu ray

not really so.. cos 1080i is a high-defination video mode ..while HDMI is audio and video(both) connector interface for transferring uncompressed audio and video streams..between various devices could be usd for LCD TV ,monitor,camcoders etc ...

its very plausible that a monitor can support full HD ..meaning 1080i or 1080p ..but it doesn't have an HDMI port ..or vice versa ..

for example dell SP2208WFP 22" has a HDMI port ..but it doesn't support full HD

for more info look here

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Compatibility_with_DVI

*en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

 

[comp@ddict]

such games will come in about a years time ..and they will be very few ..initially..like may be farcry2 will support multi cores ..but i don't think they will perform like chalk and cheese with core 2 duo and core 2 quad .....E8400/E8500 is the best investment for gaming CPU if u want to use it for next 1-5 to 2 years...



intel core2quads gives u pinnacle of performance ..and i m not talking about Q6600 here ..Q9xxx series is simply superb

and what do u mean AMD beats INTEL ..but intel scores better ?? mostly in a benchmark if score is better it beats the other thing that has lower score..


ok i am not asking about Q9xxx series intel ----------> i know this proc is good and it is not comparable wit AMD phenom ----------> but can u tell me about the q6600 that is also 65nm architecture , AMD 9850 beats q6600 is it true ????

No not at all true, even the 9950B.E> OCed to 2.8GHz barely manages!