sujoyp
Grand Master
Ok will share today..donno if effect is visible
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izzikio_rage
Technomancer
What Will Photography Look Like In The Far Future?
Pretty amazing article
Pretty amazing article
raja manuel
In the zone
20 years seems pessimistic, there's a lot there that will become mainstream in the next 5 years. In 20 years time we may not take photographs at all, it will all be done by machines and AI that can take, process, sort, assemble, and present the results to us with speed and artistry that no human can match. In an age of computational photography, the photographer is the guy who can come up with the best algorithm. No wonder Canon is opening an R&D centre in Silicon Valley.
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nac
Aspiring Novelist
Used reflector on both or only on the left photograph? She's squinting her eyes in the right one.
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nac
Aspiring Novelist
I was travelling in a bus last week. Two guys were talking about photography, I couldn't help it I started listening to their conversation.
They were talking about a lot, like lighting, what kinda gears they should upgrade next, how much that would cost. It was mostly about the gears. One was suggesting that Sony will be the next big thing with mirrorless and in order to stay in the business one has to invest in Sony gears in the next few years. Now I introduced myself and joined the conversation. The other guy suggested that this DSLR to MILC transition is like film to digital transition.
I don't think it will happen that fast. When that happens I don't think Canikon will be watching others from the sidelines. For some reason both of 'em are yet to come big into mirrorless market. What if Canikon come into mirrorless and choose to stick with their existing EF/F mount. I don't know if that's technically possible, but if it happens that wound be a significant advantage for them.
Looking at CIPA stat, in 2017 MILC shipment was the highest in the last 6yrs. With 46% America is the highest shipment y-o-y growth. DSLR shipment continues to fall, and this is the first time DSLR losing market share in the last 6yrs. Compact cameras managed to post a good number esp. after a huge fall in 2016. And camera price continues to rise but not as much as the last 5yrs.
Market share %: | Market share Y-o-Y change%
DSLR 30% | -13%
MILC 16% | 25%
Compact 53% | 2%
They were talking about a lot, like lighting, what kinda gears they should upgrade next, how much that would cost. It was mostly about the gears. One was suggesting that Sony will be the next big thing with mirrorless and in order to stay in the business one has to invest in Sony gears in the next few years. Now I introduced myself and joined the conversation. The other guy suggested that this DSLR to MILC transition is like film to digital transition.
I don't think it will happen that fast. When that happens I don't think Canikon will be watching others from the sidelines. For some reason both of 'em are yet to come big into mirrorless market. What if Canikon come into mirrorless and choose to stick with their existing EF/F mount. I don't know if that's technically possible, but if it happens that wound be a significant advantage for them.
Looking at CIPA stat, in 2017 MILC shipment was the highest in the last 6yrs. With 46% America is the highest shipment y-o-y growth. DSLR shipment continues to fall, and this is the first time DSLR losing market share in the last 6yrs. Compact cameras managed to post a good number esp. after a huge fall in 2016. And camera price continues to rise but not as much as the last 5yrs.
Market share %: | Market share Y-o-Y change%
DSLR 30% | -13%
MILC 16% | 25%
Compact 53% | 2%
raja manuel
In the zone
I think Canikon are trying to time the market. Canon have the EOS-M series which seems to be their Silicon Valley-style fail fast approach to mirrorless. Nikon are expected to make a big splash in mirrorless this year. Sony may have an early lead but it is too early in the MILC era to start talking of who will dominate. Sony have managed to annoy users too.
Keeping the existing EF/F mount must be a difficult choice to make. If they retain it, legacy lens owners are happy but they represent the past, not the future. Keeping the old mount means throwing out a significant part of the mirrorless advantage - smaller, simpler, and cheaper lenses. Using a different mount means legacy lenses will only work with an adapter, which means that legacy lens owners could switch to Sony or an other brand which has good adapters available. This could be a lose-lose situation for established players if they get this wrong.
As for DSLR to MILC being as big as film to digital, it depends on what direction MILCs take. Right now we are seeing only an evolution rather than a revolution - DSLRs without mirrors. If mirrorless cameras start embracing computational photography and flexible form factors, the transformation could be bigger than film to digital. It may not be as quick, but the impact could be bigger.
Keeping the existing EF/F mount must be a difficult choice to make. If they retain it, legacy lens owners are happy but they represent the past, not the future. Keeping the old mount means throwing out a significant part of the mirrorless advantage - smaller, simpler, and cheaper lenses. Using a different mount means legacy lenses will only work with an adapter, which means that legacy lens owners could switch to Sony or an other brand which has good adapters available. This could be a lose-lose situation for established players if they get this wrong.
As for DSLR to MILC being as big as film to digital, it depends on what direction MILCs take. Right now we are seeing only an evolution rather than a revolution - DSLRs without mirrors. If mirrorless cameras start embracing computational photography and flexible form factors, the transformation could be bigger than film to digital. It may not be as quick, but the impact could be bigger.
sujoyp
Grand Master
I want MILC small like P&S with small and light lenses. It should have multiple connectivity options, wifi, nfc, bluetooth, IR. A GPS chip inbuilt. A high resolution EVF and all this at right price (35k with kit lens) combo weight should be max 500gm.
I find no sense putting KG of lenses on small MILC. The balance will not be there, weight is not reduced compared to DSLR.
I find no sense putting KG of lenses on small MILC. The balance will not be there, weight is not reduced compared to DSLR.
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
I'm one of the lucky ones who got an MILC at the right time. The sony cams have almost all the traits sujoy mentioned, wifi, high res EVF, ir support, ability to connect and be controlled by a phone, apps etc. Used a friends oympus and that is even better (micro 4/3), it has inbuilt intervalometer, great focus peaking modes and can get all the adapters i use.
With the native lenses its very compact, it's only once you fit adapters and adapted lenses that the size gets crazy. Even then with my small bag i can easily keep 2 lenses, my gorillapod and my camera body.
I still want to get a full frame but mostly due to the low light performance and ability to take it to high ISO. but mostly I'm covered
With the native lenses its very compact, it's only once you fit adapters and adapted lenses that the size gets crazy. Even then with my small bag i can easily keep 2 lenses, my gorillapod and my camera body.
I still want to get a full frame but mostly due to the low light performance and ability to take it to high ISO. but mostly I'm covered
raja manuel
In the zone
You don't need to jump to mirrorless now. Wait till you see what Nikon brings to the table later this year. Just be careful of investing in more gear until you have clarity on the future of the market e.g., if Nikon introduces a new lens mount for mirrorless lenses, you may wish to buy the new lenses and use them with an adapter on your DSLR, rather than the other way around, so that you will ease into the future rather than be stuck in the past.
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
Same advise, any mirrorless you take will allow you to use your old lenses with an adapter. Wait a bit to see if nikon retains its old mount on the new mirrorless platform.
But you'll love using legacy lenses on a mirrorless. Some of them are amazing at what they give
But you'll love using legacy lenses on a mirrorless. Some of them are amazing at what they give
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
Almost no lag. I can capture most shots even without burst
Siddhartht
Void
EVFs are better and always will be better than optical viewfinders. They are truly "what you see is what you get" with only one drawback in current generation: battery life. OVFs are remnant of an era where we could not simply put a small screen in front of eye. Same is with DSLRs - the mirror mechanism itself is useless, has it not been the research put into those separate phase detect sensors and their coupling with lenses, Canon and Nikon would have switched to Mirrorless early.
And one more thing - Canon lenses (specially Sigma Canon mount) work really well with adapter on Sony bodies, even with AF. Nikon...not so much.
People take Sony's camera division quite lightly - this is the same division which made legendary Minolta Dynax 7D and α-7000.
I'm sorry if I'm offending Canon/Nikon base, but true innovators were rarely from these two companies. Rather it was Olympus, Minolta and Pentax -
It's just Sony's business model that is kinda crappy. They throw everything they have in one camera and forget about it, only to do the same thing again.
And one more thing - Canon lenses (specially Sigma Canon mount) work really well with adapter on Sony bodies, even with AF. Nikon...not so much.
People take Sony's camera division quite lightly - this is the same division which made legendary Minolta Dynax 7D and α-7000.
I'm sorry if I'm offending Canon/Nikon base, but true innovators were rarely from these two companies. Rather it was Olympus, Minolta and Pentax -
It's just Sony's business model that is kinda crappy. They throw everything they have in one camera and forget about it, only to do the same thing again.
izzikio_rage
Technomancer
You can get a full frame mirrorless 
