Nokia N900, Xperia X10, Motorola Milestone !
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
Yes you should be saying this "Rolling On Floor, Laughing My A$$ Off" to yourself.
Being so Biased !!
from your posts here and from your post asking "how to install iphone apps on N900", one thing that I understood is your total lack of knowledge on mobile platforms and how they work. And also, I assume that you have never really used a smartphone and all that you know about N900 is based on some notes in the web and few videos. Still you have not made any valid points supporting your argument. Not a single point! All you say is some stupid one liners that doesn't make any sense.
Let me make it bit clear for you.
Take Motorola Milestone for example. This phone has same CPU and GPU that N900 has and it also has slide qwerty. It is about half cm thinner. And not just that. It has capacitive touch, .2" bigger display, multitouch. Rest is more or less the same. Milestone went on to become one of the largest selling smarphones since it's release and currently is the best selling Android phone.
The reason is simple. Milestone has better build and it runs an OS that is stable and users have choice to pick from wide range of applications. And then starts word-of-mouth. 10 people buy the phone, feel that it is great and they recommend it to another 10. This phone is such a big hit that it is set to do turn Motorola's smartphone business back into profits. N900 may be a pocket computer. But when you have a pocket computer with less usability than other phones (or pocket computers) , it suffers in sales.
coming to the platform in general.
If you take Google and MS and Apple, They are working on one platform right now. As a result, Android and iphone OS are growing really fast. And there is lot of hype for Windows Phone 7. They are not jumping ships like Nokia ( or like Indian politicians). For past year or two, it feels like Nokia is totally lost in the smartphone market. worked on S60v5 which was not that good for touch phones, changed Maemo into smartphone OS, merged Maemo with Moblin, worked on Symbian^3 (which looks more like symbian S60 for kids) which is again delayed. In short, they are going nowhere.
Apps:
If you think that Maemo 5 + N900 is superior platform, why is it that it has just 1% of apps that Android has? And god knows how many developers will embrace MeeGo.
Mobile app developers are going after Android and iphone OS. Those who are stuck on Maemo are those self-proclaimed nerds who keep their ego above rationality. Android would've gone nowhere if Google used it for their own device(s). The move by Google in creating OHA paid off spectacularly. This allowed all Handset makers to adopt Android and given the flexibility this OS has, it quickly turned out to be the favorite platform for handset makers.
a quick comparison:
few noted OHA members:
NTT DoCoMo, Sprint Nextel, T-Mobile, Telefonica, WindRiver, Broadcom, Intel, Marvell, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, ARM, Atheros, HTC, LG, Motorola, Samsung, ASUS, SE, Toshiba, Acer, ZTE
MeeGo memebers:
Intel
Nokia
Number of new Android handsets that will be released in a year: a dozen atleast
Number of handsets that can come on MeeGo in a year : 2 or 3 at the max.
This is the reason why developers are embracing Android. It's open source, it's flexible and the number of phones coming out is increasing YoY.
In short, a phone with a good looking OS doesn't work. It needs lot more to be a hit in the market. Or as dreamcatcher said, N900 is (or WAS) more of a public beta of Maemo/MeeGo platform.
PS: if you are so adamant that N900 is the best phone, then why create this thread in the first place? Just go and get this phone and do the Eureka thing that Archimedes did.
PS2: I use Ubuntu at home, custom RHEL at workplace and Android based phone. so, if you want to argue, you better make points that are real and not some fantasized egoistic comments.
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from your posts here and from your post asking "how to install iphone apps on N900", one thing that I understood is your total lack of knowledge on mobile platforms and how they work. And also, I assume that you have never really used a smartphone and all that you know about N900 is based on some notes in the web and few videos. Still you have not made any valid points supporting your argument. Not a single point! All you say is some stupid one liners that doesn't make any sense.
Let me make it bit clear for you.
Take Motorola Milestone for example. This phone has same CPU and GPU that N900 has and it also has slide qwerty. It is about half cm thinner. And not just that. It has capacitive touch, .2" bigger display, multitouch. Rest is more or less the same. Milestone went on to become one of the largest selling smarphones since it's release and currently is the best selling Android phone.
The reason is simple. Milestone has better build and it runs an OS that is stable and users have choice to pick from wide range of applications. And then starts word-of-mouth. 10 people buy the phone, feel that it is great and they recommend it to another 10. This phone is such a big hit that it is set to do turn Motorola's smartphone business back into profits. N900 may be a pocket computer. But when you have a pocket computer with less usability than other phones (or pocket computers) , it suffers in sales.
coming to the platform in general.
If you take Google and MS and Apple, They are working on one platform right now. As a result, Android and iphone OS are growing really fast. And there is lot of hype for Windows Phone 7. They are not jumping ships like Nokia ( or like Indian politicians). For past year or two, it feels like Nokia is totally lost in the smartphone market. worked on S60v5 which was not that good for touch phones, changed Maemo into smartphone OS, merged Maemo with Moblin, worked on Symbian^3 (which looks more like symbian S60 for kids) which is again delayed. In short, they are going nowhere.
Apps:
If you think that Maemo 5 + N900 is superior platform, why is it that it has just 1% of apps that Android has? And god knows how many developers will embrace MeeGo.
Mobile app developers are going after Android and iphone OS. Those who are stuck on Maemo are those self-proclaimed nerds who keep their ego above rationality. Android would've gone nowhere if Google used it for their own device(s). The move by Google in creating OHA paid off spectacularly. This allowed all Handset makers to adopt Android and given the flexibility this OS has, it quickly turned out to be the favorite platform for handset makers.
a quick comparison:
few noted OHA members:
NTT DoCoMo, Sprint Nextel, T-Mobile, Telefonica, WindRiver, Broadcom, Intel, Marvell, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, ARM, Atheros, HTC, LG, Motorola, Samsung, ASUS, SE, Toshiba, Acer, ZTE
MeeGo memebers:
Intel
Nokia
Number of new Android handsets that will be released in a year: a dozen atleast
Number of handsets that can come on MeeGo in a year : 2 or 3 at the max.
This is the reason why developers are embracing Android. It's open source, it's flexible and the number of phones coming out is increasing YoY.
In short, a phone with a good looking OS doesn't work. It needs lot more to be a hit in the market. Or as dreamcatcher said, N900 is (or WAS) more of a public beta of Maemo/MeeGo platform.
PS: if you are so adamant that N900 is the best phone, then why create this thread in the first place? Just go and get this phone and do the Eureka thing that Archimedes did.
PS2: I use Ubuntu at home, custom RHEL at workplace and Android based phone. so, if you want to argue, you better make points that are real and not some fantasized egoistic comments.
you can call yourself a Desi-Bond
God knows how many street Bonds like you would be in the streets and gallis of India 
and that does not make you some Real Bond to play to the audience in this forum oh hell yeah !You can keep proclaiming yourself a Desibond...or a Techie (Pseudo)
or whatever. what do I care. As I said earlier I am not taking any of your amateur advice !! Ther are better, knowldegable people to listen to.And BTW I have never claimed that I am some Greek God as far as knowledge about Tech Device is concerned and that is why I was here looking out for some real tech advice.
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
you can call yourself a Desi-Bond
You can keep proclaiming yourself a Desibond...or a Techie (Pseudo)
And BTW I have never claimed that I am some Greek God as far as knowledge about Tech Device is concerned and that is why I was here looking out for some real tech advice.
huh. another whining post.
Still you are not able to give any explanation for why N900, in your opinion, is THE FORCE
amitabhishek
Bad to the bone
you can call yourself a Desi-Bond
Dude you are getting personal
! With such an attitude either you will get banned or worse you will end up having no one to talk to in this forum!
rhitwick
Democracy is a myth
As Oracle said,
and when you are given an detailed explanation...you refuse to take it.
Well, buy N900 and be happy.
maverick786us
Padawan
The most important thing that people are aware is. You can easily overclock N900 to around 950Mhz.
Xperia might be having a faster processor Which other handset is having a the PowerVR SGX 530 GPU which is good for 3-D gaming?
Xperia might be having a faster processor Which other handset is having a the PowerVR SGX 530 GPU which is good for 3-D gaming?
Dude you are getting personal
With such an attitude either you will get banned or worse you will end up having no one to talk to in this forum!
It resulted only after some foul language and some personal attacks the so called Desibond
started !!
kalpik
In Pursuit of "Happyness"
As far as i see, YOU are the one who started the personal attacks. You have been warned. I see any more provocative posts, and you're gone.It resulted only after some foul language and some personal attacks the so called Desibond
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
overclocking: FYI, it's not the most important thing. It's the least cared about thing. Anyways, Snapdragon can easily go to 1.3GHz and sometimes to 1.5GHz. but overclocking ain't the matter here. While overclocking works well for desktops, it's not the way to go for laptops and smartphones. The limited cooling setup is a big NO for overclocking a smartphone.
3d gaming: yes. PowerVR is a great GPU. but, here is the thing. Samsung Wave phone based on snapdragon does 85MT/sec and the only device that comes close is Tegra 2 that does 85-90MT/sec. The Android 2.1 based snapdragon phones N1 etc are a bit slower in 3D at 22MT/sec. But recent results on Android 2.2 show that snapdragon phones are 450% faster in media tasks when compared to 2.1. This would also improve 3D operations speed, which in turn will bring on game development. Reason may be becuase of better use of processing power. This increase may not be visible on older gen cpu/gpu.
games: If I look at the games that are available in maemo store, all I see is some really dumb games. There are few games here and there that are good but similar games run totally fine on Snapdragon too. Also, how long will you play games on a phone. First of all it's a phone and which one does users pick. Phone that does better for 23.5hrs a day or a phone that does well for 30minutes a day?
Note: Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8 but is designed in a better way so that it scales much better and also gives more performance. And as I said earlier, There are only two other architectures that can challenge it. Cortex A9 and Tegra 2. Please correct me if I am wrong.
maverick786us
Padawan
OK then which smartphone would you suggest which has got
1) Bigger screen (between 3.5-4 inch)
2) Good for multimedia, Good sound & Music quality
3) Good for watching videos
4) Good for 3-D gaming
5) Good for frequent browsing, and chatting (I hate typing using numeric keypad)
6) Complete touch screen, I don't want a numeric keypad its only good for those who prefer hard work over smart work.
7) Alpha numeric keypad is always good for frequent browsing and chatting where you have to type a lot, but not a compulsion
8) Good powerful camera
I am a technical enthusasitc, So I will always prefer something that is high end with all the advanced technical functionalities (I don't want a F-U-C-K-ING fashion phone where people go for slim nature).
I find N900 almost close to perfect, however there are 2 IMPORTANT things which I find missing
1) Lack of Multi-touch
2) They should have implemented a much powerful camera
These 2 limitations are eliminated in N8. But I find its look lousie and it does'nt have a camera shutter. I don't have the patience to wait till October. I am in a desperate need of a full fledge touch screen high end smartphone
So which handset comes close to my above mentioned points?
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desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
First, which is the phone that you are using right now and have you used any smartphones before?
Check Milestone if you want phone with qwerty keypad.
Milestone: 3.7" display, 480 x 854 pixels & 16M colors, powerVR 530 gpu, cortex A8, blah blah blah.
My suggestion for you would be to check these phones:
1) HTC Desire
2) HTC HD2
Desire: 480 x 800 pixels, 3.7 inches AMOLED display (just rocks), 576 MB RAM; 512 MB ROM, 1GHz snapdragon, good audio quality comparable to X10 ( as per gsmarena), 5mp camera.
HD2: 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches, 448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM, 1GHz snapdragon, only gripe but above average audio quality. but if you want a phone that is technically superior to every other phone, this is the one for you. It even works as wifi access point. enable 3g or edge on your phone, turn on wifi and then use HD2 as access point for your laptop.
sriharsha_madineni
Cyborg Agent
Ok you sound more like a kid in that ad who blabbers all the time " My daddy strongest"You make me Laugh. Who warned me? you ?? Ha...
I find all this so funny !!
You find all this funny coz it looks like you have never used any smartphone, you made a fool out of yourself by making such naive comments.
about the warning?? lol I see the answer coming, what say mods
Looking at your preferences I see a lot of phones satisfying your needs. The first thing that comes to mind is iPhone 3GS, then there are Google N1, HTC Legend, Desire, EVO.
Samsung I9000S, SE X10 etc etc. If those are your preferences then arguing about these for a month is just a waste of time. You have your options right before you.
maverick786us
Padawan
desiibond
Bond, Desi Bond!
also check this video. This one video shows how much superior Desire is when it comes to internet surfing, image viewing and also shows it's capability in gaming.
*www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyjEyg5mvTs
What would you like to do? draw circles on screen to zoom or simply to pinch? And it's not just that. Thanks to capacitive touch and multitouch, going through pages, scrolling, moving around album art, image gallery is lot more easier. Not to forget the awesome quality that AMOLED display brings to Desire. Given the 3.7" display size, it should be fairly easy to adopt to touchscreen full qwerty.
PS: I never believed the beauty of AMOLED till I saw one. The quality and viewing angles are just awesome.
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*www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyjEyg5mvTs
What would you like to do? draw circles on screen to zoom or simply to pinch? And it's not just that. Thanks to capacitive touch and multitouch, going through pages, scrolling, moving around album art, image gallery is lot more easier. Not to forget the awesome quality that AMOLED display brings to Desire. Given the 3.7" display size, it should be fairly easy to adopt to touchscreen full qwerty.
PS: I never believed the beauty of AMOLED till I saw one. The quality and viewing angles are just awesome.
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Nah. I meant HTC HD2 (*www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/overview.html). I asked about your smarphone experience so that I can suggest accrodingly.
Give HTC HD2 and HTC Desire a try. Also if you are okay with paying a premium, check iPhone 3GS. The iphone OS 4 would make it one hell of a device. One advantage that 3GS has is the number of games and it's superior multimedia features. or get Desire + ipod touch
there are few 8mp phones but most of them literally suck at all other things.
a good discussion at Maemo Talk forum (maemo.org) aboue N900 and Desire : *talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50176
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kalpik
In Pursuit of "Happyness"
Ha ha ha! Yes. I warned you! Ha ha haYou make me Laugh. Who warned me? you ?? Ha...
I find all this so funny !!
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User banned for 3 months.