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So you mean to say that if Apple does it after MS it's a crime but MS copies it after others it's fine?
Get rational dude.
It's very much all right to copy such ideas. Doesn't matter who did it first or who did it last. What matters is that in the end it benefits the customers. Everyone tries to emulate a successful strategy, albeit in their own way. Not only in computing industry but anywhere in business.
Get rational dude.
It's very much all right to copy such ideas. Doesn't matter who did it first or who did it last. What matters is that in the end it benefits the customers. Everyone tries to emulate a successful strategy, albeit in their own way. Not only in computing industry but anywhere in business.
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aryayush
Aspiring Novelist
Apple OS X Leopard: A beautiful upgrade
October 17, 2007
Apple OS X Leopard: A beautiful upgrade
Finally, a PC Unix that everyone can love. OS X Leopard is a triumph of customer-focused engineering
Apple's announcement of the impending delivery of OS X Leopard (release 10.5 of Mac and Xserve operating systems) marks the public debut of an engineering achievement that dwarfs iPhone, iPod, Windows, and Linux. No other PC server vendor, with the notable exception of Sun Microsystems, invests so much time and manpower in its system software.
... (Read the full article.)
I know it's difficult for people who don't use Macs to understand why an operating system gets us so worked up. The coming debut of Leopard may make you mindful of Vista, an OS that no one begged to get before it shipped and that very few rushed out to get after it shipped. Vista's penetration is largely incidental, a result of being preinstalled on new PCs. That is not how Leopard will score its wins. Apple's customers rush to upgrade, and not because some sticker on a box of software says "designed for Leopard."
Leopard is a legitimately big deal. It's underhyped compared to iPhone, and yet unlike iPhone, Leopard is a genuine triumph of customer-focused engineering. It's a pleasure and a relief to see that Apple remembers how to deliver open, affordable, standards-based products. There probably won't be lines around the block at Apple retail stores for people who can't wait to get their hands on Leopard. If they had been using Leopard as long as developers have, Apple wouldn't be able to stamp Leopard DVDs fast enough. Word will get out.
Posted by Tom Yager on October 17, 2007 03:00 AM
[Via InfoWorld]
I can't wait for Leopard!
October 17, 2007
Apple OS X Leopard: A beautiful upgrade
Finally, a PC Unix that everyone can love. OS X Leopard is a triumph of customer-focused engineering
Apple's announcement of the impending delivery of OS X Leopard (release 10.5 of Mac and Xserve operating systems) marks the public debut of an engineering achievement that dwarfs iPhone, iPod, Windows, and Linux. No other PC server vendor, with the notable exception of Sun Microsystems, invests so much time and manpower in its system software.
... (Read the full article.)
I know it's difficult for people who don't use Macs to understand why an operating system gets us so worked up. The coming debut of Leopard may make you mindful of Vista, an OS that no one begged to get before it shipped and that very few rushed out to get after it shipped. Vista's penetration is largely incidental, a result of being preinstalled on new PCs. That is not how Leopard will score its wins. Apple's customers rush to upgrade, and not because some sticker on a box of software says "designed for Leopard."
Leopard is a legitimately big deal. It's underhyped compared to iPhone, and yet unlike iPhone, Leopard is a genuine triumph of customer-focused engineering. It's a pleasure and a relief to see that Apple remembers how to deliver open, affordable, standards-based products. There probably won't be lines around the block at Apple retail stores for people who can't wait to get their hands on Leopard. If they had been using Leopard as long as developers have, Apple wouldn't be able to stamp Leopard DVDs fast enough. Word will get out.
Posted by Tom Yager on October 17, 2007 03:00 AM
[Via InfoWorld]
I can't wait for Leopard!
hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
@aryayush
Look dude, i know macs are sexy and i admit that i'm dying to buy one as soon as i've money i'll get myself a macbook (i'm a student) but don't you dare say anything about Linux. Your Mac is fully dependent on Linux, weren't all the Linux application not open source Mac would have died, you know about IE for Mac and WMP for Mac. Quicktime can't play all the files in Mac. All of the media player files are supported on the Mac by VLC, you know it. Mac can't even share data with Windows counterparts without Samba.So better take Tux and Open Source seriously.
PS: can you tell me the address of a Mac dealer in Chandigarh.
Look dude, i know macs are sexy and i admit that i'm dying to buy one as soon as i've money i'll get myself a macbook (i'm a student) but don't you dare say anything about Linux. Your Mac is fully dependent on Linux, weren't all the Linux application not open source Mac would have died, you know about IE for Mac and WMP for Mac. Quicktime can't play all the files in Mac. All of the media player files are supported on the Mac by VLC, you know it. Mac can't even share data with Windows counterparts without Samba.So better take Tux and Open Source seriously.
PS: can you tell me the address of a Mac dealer in Chandigarh.
hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
Charan said:what happend here?
Nothing yaar, he's also right Macs are cool but Mac OS X is nothing without Open Source, and you know about passionate Linux users. Don't you
hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
Charan said:^^^ "Passionate Linux USER" ok got it
Really i've even installed Linux on my Apple iPod 30 GB video, when i'll get a Mac i'll install OpenSUSE on it too.
goobimama
Macboy
I hate VLC. Only use Quicktime to play ALL my media files.
As for linux, I have nothing against it as such. Only thing is I would like to see some organisation. As much as the "Open source" thing it's got going on, without organisation, the whole thing has turned out to be a little bit of a mess. Now if there were a sort of "Linux Organisation" that is, a body of people dedicated to keeping some sense of what goes where, Linux would win. It's a great OS no doubt about that, but it's lack of compatibility with a lot of things makes it a bit difficult to use. That's my viewpoint.
As for linux, I have nothing against it as such. Only thing is I would like to see some organisation. As much as the "Open source" thing it's got going on, without organisation, the whole thing has turned out to be a little bit of a mess. Now if there were a sort of "Linux Organisation" that is, a body of people dedicated to keeping some sense of what goes where, Linux would win. It's a great OS no doubt about that, but it's lack of compatibility with a lot of things makes it a bit difficult to use. That's my viewpoint.
hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
goobimama said:
Did you just said Linux would win, its already winning, the #1 super computer on the world runs on Linux, 90% of the top super computer run on Linux, about 80% of the servers are on Linux, even mobile phones run on Linux. Linux as already won or lets say its winning time and again. Wait for 20 years Linux will kick the hell out of both Windows and Mac OS X. And about compatiblity, nothing is incompatible with Linux, you just have to Google around to make your devices compatible. The non-existant Linux organization, or let us say people who work in their homes and make things work with Linux are great. Finding out problems in Linux, sorting them out and then sharing with people, that's the spirt of Linux and Open Source. This can never be true for a Closed Source environment such as Apple or Microsoft.
goobimama
Macboy
Well. You are saying it yourself. Linux seems to be only for the enterprise. Servers and supercomputers. Something a little geeky wouldn't you think?
Exactly.
Now I know Linux has improved from it's good old days. It's much more simple now, and installation is really a breeze (except for that partitioning thing. I don't know what ext means and some of the other terms mean). Even using it is so simple. Just about launch firefox and you are surfing the web. But...there's always a but... there were some things that didn't work or needed to be made work. A scanner wouldn't work, the sify internet connection, stuff like that. Now I know one can't blame linux for that, but the fact of the matter is, to the end user (and I've always stressed upon the end user) there's no one else to blame...
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hellknight
BSD init pwns System V
Lets cut the Crap, Ubuntu is more popular than your crappy OS X. Now i got you, didn't I. And the second thing is that Linux also runs on our desktops and Laptops, but since the level of Pircay is so much here in our country is that nobody wants to use other operating system other than Windows Xp, they get it for only Rs 10 the price of a CD. Another thing is that servers and supercomputers are not geeky, if you host a website from your home computer then your PC would become a server. There's nothing geeky about it.
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praka123
left this forum longback
Why you'll love GNU/Linux
CUPS is "owned" by apple means they hired the pure GPL2/LGPL2 project leader to work for them.there is no move like they make it proprietary.if they does,will be a fork of the project chaloo by real CUPS users and benefactors.
what @hellknight said is 100% true.many linux based apps are ported to apple also as does to BSDs.there are enough leading and unifying standards in Linux like LSB(Linux Standard Base) and Linux Foundation,Free Software Foundation and above all Linus Torvarlds focussing and leading the Linux kernel development.Linux is not as geeky as earlier it was.
distros like Ubuntu based on Debian or any major distros are easy to use and allows options to customize and other window managers which closed source products like apple and M$ cant do with.although 3rd party tools tries to.
though i believe Linux users needs to know atleast some basic CLI commands.
apple is just another unix variant which became weak due to the 64+ suid apps(@goobymamu-ya that permission ui screenshot etc) to make it into a very easy to use UNIX(they have bought the naming license from open group) Operating System,but with security vulnerabilities not fixed as fast as in Linux due to its open source nature.
yes.continue if above is offtopic
CUPS is "owned" by apple means they hired the pure GPL2/LGPL2 project leader to work for them.there is no move like they make it proprietary.if they does,will be a fork of the project chaloo by real CUPS users and benefactors.
what @hellknight said is 100% true.many linux based apps are ported to apple also as does to BSDs.there are enough leading and unifying standards in Linux like LSB(Linux Standard Base) and Linux Foundation,Free Software Foundation and above all Linus Torvarlds focussing and leading the Linux kernel development.Linux is not as geeky as earlier it was.
distros like Ubuntu based on Debian or any major distros are easy to use and allows options to customize and other window managers which closed source products like apple and M$ cant do with.although 3rd party tools tries to.
though i believe Linux users needs to know atleast some basic CLI commands.
apple is just another unix variant which became weak due to the 64+ suid apps(@goobymamu-ya that permission ui screenshot etc) to make it into a very easy to use UNIX(they have bought the naming license from open group) Operating System,but with security vulnerabilities not fixed as fast as in Linux due to its open source nature.
yes.continue if above is offtopic
gxsaurav
You gave been GXified
Change Linux to UNIX in this para.hellknight said:
No, wrong data.
Just few phones from Motorola, Symbian OS is ruling the mobile market.
Fine, u wait...I will watch HD DVD movies & play DX 10 games in the mean time.
Thats what we don't want. We want it to work like it works with Windows, just install a driver & it works out of the box.
hey prakash, a reply to your siig...I can see the aerrow even on Vista, means it is superior to Linux
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