Ringwraith said:there are no toledo core 3800s....
X2 3800, 4200, 4600 -> manchester (512Kb L2 cache)
X2 4400, 4800 -> toledo (1 mb L2cache)
AMD did release some toledo core based 3800+ in the early days of its release. They had half the cache disabled i.e. 512x2KB with the other 512x2 disabled. The key to identify a toledo core is its mfg no.; if it ends with "CD", it's a toledo and if it ends with "BV", it's a manchester. E.g. ADA3800DAA5CD is a toledo 3800+. Toledos vanished fast from the market because of the hype that toledos overclock better than manchester. I was lucky enough to get one. And no doubt, i have successfully overclocked it to 2.5GHz. I am sure i can go even further on my DFI Lanparty nF4 UT mobo but i am already satisfied with the speed. Here is a discussion to clarify any doubts you may still have. Google and you should find a better article.
I think somebody else on this forum asked me the same question and i answered by saying the same things but the stupid phpBB search could not find anything. I hope the people involved in project phpBB are working on improving the search, it really p_isses me off sometimes.