Whats the difference between a PC & a MAC

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aryayush

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goobimama has single handedly taken the task of saving this thread upon himself (in an unorthodox fashion). God only knows what will happen to it now! :p
 

gxsaurav

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Zesshan had an accident, he updated MacOS X online & now it no longer boots so he had to remove it.

Me on the other hand had to submit the old spare HD, looking for a new One.
 

Zeeshan Quireshi

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hey Goobi , what actually do you like in Beer . seriously i tried Beer n it was totally Yuck ! .
aryayush said:
Oh really! Is thirty three thousand a high price for the tiniest computer in the world?
well that box for 33k does not even contain a Display , keyboard or mouse , let alone a graphics card so actual cost comes around to be rs 45k(u aren't going to use a CRT , are you ?). for 45k nowadays u can configure a PC with Core 2 Duo E6300 , 1GB of ram n a 19" LCD Monitor + kb + mouse + Mid-range GFX card + Legit Copy of XP . now ain't that much better than what you're gettin for 50k with Mac ?

Also , offers from PC Assemblers like dell are much more better than ac at the price of 45k .
aryayush said:
Is Rs. two lac a high price for the first octocore computer in the world?
well , Sun was the first company to commercially Offer a Real Octa Core Processor , the Sun UltraSPARC T1 to say the least . Also the Processor inside the Mac pro is not an actual Octa-Core bcoz it uses two Quad core processors n not a single Octa core processor .

Secondly , at the price you mentioned u ONLY get a the CPU without a monitor and with the teeny-weeny GeFore 7300 GT , now ain't that expensive ?

aryayush said:
@Zeeshan Quireshi, you seem to be an objective person and therefore, I took the trouble of replying to your post. Please do not start a flame war here! Be civil, like you have been till now. :)
ahh , we're men of the world , aren't we ?
 

aryayush

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Zeeshan Quireshi said:
hey Goobi , what actually do you like in Beer . seriously i tried Beer n it was totally Yuck ! .
well that box for 33k does not even contain a Display , keyboard or mouse , let alone a graphics card so actual cost comes around to be rs 45k(u aren't going to use a CRT , are you ?). for 45k nowadays u can configure a PC with Core 2 Duo E6300 , 1GB of ram n a 19" LCD Monitor + kb + mouse + Mid-range GFX card + Legit Copy of XP . now ain't that much better than what you're gettin for 50k with Mac ?

Also , offers from PC Assemblers like dell are much more better than ac at the price of 45k .
well , Sun was the first company to commercially Offer a Real Octa Core Processor , the Sun UltraSPARC T1 to say the least . Also the Processor inside the Mac pro is not an actual Octa-Core bcoz it uses two Quad core processors n not a single Octa core processor .

Secondly , at the price you mentioned u ONLY get a the CPU without a monitor and with the teeny-weeny GeFore 7300 GT , now ain't that expensive ?
You get Mac OS X with none of them and as I said before it is worth more than the price of admission all by itself.

And I did not say that Macs are not slightly higher priced when compared to their PC counterparts. I just questioned your opinion that the prices are extremely high. BTW, I openly challenge you to find me a computer that is as well-specced as the Mac Pro but it priced a lot less. Do it. Take your time.

And when you compared the Mac Mini, you forgot the important point I mentioned. It is the tiniest computer in the world. And yes, any company will charge you extra for better design. A hair-cut in an air conditioned salon will always cost more than one in a non air-conditioned one. :)
 

Zeeshan Quireshi

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aryayush said:
You get Mac OS X with none of them and as I said before it is worth more than the price of admission all by itself.

And I did not say that Macs are not slightly higher priced when compared to their PC counterparts. I just questioned your opinion that the prices are extremely high. BTW, I openly challenge you to find me a computer that is as well-specced as the Mac Pro but it priced a lot less. Do it. Take your time.

And when you compared the Mac Mini, you forgot the important point I mentioned. It is the tiniest computer in the world. And yes, any company will charge you extra for better design. A hair-cut in an air conditioned salon will always cost more than one in a non air-conditioned one. :)

well as 200,000 Indian rupees = 4,919.8 U.S. dollars therefore u can very well configure an Octa-Core Workstation from Dell at their site , just try it for urself , the lowest Octa Core system with LCD Display + KB + Mouse + GFX card came out to be at $3600 , which is much lesser than the $4919 the Mac Pro commands and also if you're saying that the Dell XPS series n the Alienware series Do Not look good n mac is the only good looking system around then i'll say that the definition of beauty is subjective , it all depends on the viewer .

nyways i don't wanna argue on mac price nymore coz everyone knows that Macs are overpriced n there's no second thought in that :)
 

gxsaurav

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Lolz...zeeshan thanx for the eye opening facts. But like always, Macboys will deny it.

You get Mac OS X with none of them and as I said before it is worth more than the price of admission all by itself.

:ROFL
 
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iMav

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goobimama said:
And that's the exact point why the Mac is so crash proof. If apple ships the OS as well as the Hardware, it is bound to be stable. I'm sure if the Mac OS was shipped independent of its hardware it would have faulted here and there
it does ;)
 
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iMav

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tell me abtr man i had spent 2 days and installed mac atleast more than 12 times trying to figure out and at the end i had to tweak my bios and then dwnld drivers then it luckily worked
 

gxsaurav

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Thats the only problem with Mac. Inside it is a PC, same component, same hardware, same motherboard from Asus, then why the hell they downplay other PCs.
 
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iMav

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after they switched to intel apple has lost its exclusivity in terms of what it has to offer the only reason why they will still be exclusive to an extent is coz of their price

and yeah now tht they have come into the open with intel they are also facing what MS has been dealing with for almost a decade ... piracy :D lets c how apple deals with it ;)
 

eddie

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Zeeshan Quireshi said:
nopes , Adobe uses Qt , code written for Qt in C++ is cross compilable , so they develop their apps in Visual Studio using the Qt framework n then they can compile the Exact same code for Mac , Linux etc too . Qt by default includes support for Mac, Linux n Windows n u can add support for mobile n other platforms .
I was just going through this thread and came across this post. Can you post some sources where you got the info that Adobe used Qt under Visual Studio to make Creative Suite 3 :?

This seems more like an imagined dream story to me, but if it is true then would love to know when this happened.
 

aryayush

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Adobe Creative Suite 3 is a native Cocoa application and any native Cocoa application has to be written from the ground up in XCode. I am hundred percent sure of this fact. You can ask me to write it on a sheet of paper and attest to it. :)

Look at any native Cocoa application on a Mac and its Windows version. All of them look and work differently be it Skype, Yahoo Messenger, Microsoft Office (the 2008 version), VLC media player, etc. Adobe CS3 is no exception to the rule.
 

gxsaurav

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You are getting one thing wrong, which I found when I was beta testing Photoshop CS3. It is not compleately made in .net or XCode. There is no point in making an app liek this.

Photoshop CS3 consists of 2 parts. One is the photoshop engine, you know like the engine of a car. Now on top of this is OS specific optimisation & looks

90% is same rest 10% is OS specific

The engine is coded by Software engeniers & is cross platform compatible because it is on it's own.

The 10% part is made by UI designers & those who optimise photoshop for Mac or Vista. This code is made in Qt because of which it is Mac UI compatible cos Qt used OS specific bitmaps & pngs for the toolbar buttons etc as mentioned previously.
 

eddie

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gx_saurav said:
This code is made in Qt because of which it is Mac UI compatible cos Qt used OS specific bitmaps & pngs for the toolbar buttons etc as mentioned previously.
Do you have any sources to back that claim? Adobe CS3's GUI is made in Qt?
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
gx_saurav said:
You are getting one thing wrong, which I found when I was beta testing Photoshop CS3.

Photoshop CS3 consists of 2 parts. One is the photoshop engine, you know like the engine of a car. Now on top of this is OS specific optimisation & looks

90% is same rest 10% is OS specific

The engine is coded by Software engeniers & is cross platform compatible because it is on it's own.

The 10% part is made by UI designers & those who optimise photoshop for Mac or Vista. This code is made in Qt because of which it is Mac UI compatible cos Qt used OS specific bitmaps & pngs for the toolbar buttons etc as mentioned previously.
Well, that's new to me and sounds somewhat true so I guess I'll believe it.
 

gxsaurav

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el mooo

Yup, check Photoshop SDK & developers/beta tester pages. Using the one made by Trolltech.

However, for CS3 for Vista, Photoshoped is even more optimised using .net 3.0 & 2.0 specific optimisation
 
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