"Vista Shows Better Security Than Mac OS X does"

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mail2and

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gx_saurav said:
It's just an ID, what matters is the flow of water (in this case me) & not the size of ocean (post count etc)

I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.


Oh, and as for the quote, don't try making an analogy. Please!
 

nikhilrao

Journeyman
Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?
 
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thunderbird.117

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HaHA. I wonder which dumb person says vista has better security. A first virus attacked today and more to follow. Oh please no OS is perfect. Even linux can be attacked if it is primary target. Windows is a primary target.

Hands down to microsoft, windows vista and the all the employee of microsoft and MS fans.
 

Kiran.dks

Technomancer
I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects. Loop holes are set to rise with time. The same applies to Mac. It's better to be neutral & accept the facts rather than creating a unhealthy environment here. Mac & Windows are created by humans & no doubt that they will break it. It's the matter of popularity. Windows is more popular, hence thousands eying for breaking it. Mac is less popular, so will take considerable time till the loop holes are discovered. Please stop arguements regarding this issue and think maturely.
 

gxsaurav

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thunderbird.117 said:
A first virus attacked today and more to follow.
just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source

nikhilrao said:
Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?
Kiran_tech_mania said:
I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"?
No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.

andy said:
I'm sorry but that was more of a warning than a reminder. I would strongly advice you to stay on topic without trying to make witty references toward anybody.

Any more off-topic post will be deleted, and the user warned.
I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man
 
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thunderbird.117

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gx_saurav said:
just like i asked another membar previously, plz provide the source



No use saying it here pal, it won't help. Mac users always have been like this.


I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

Yo, Microsoft Fanboy. You seriously do not believe Vista is totally secure crap?. I have to show a source that a virus attacked vista. Lool. Vista just released yesterday once it most used. The source wil be showed.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
hey thunderbird ... u got a source paste it here ... dont shoot arrows in the air ... almost every1 has said tht vista is MS most secure OS till date if not the best ...
 

mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
Kiran_tech_mania said:
I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects. Loop holes are set to rise with time. The same applies to Mac. It's better to be neutral & accept the facts rather than creating a unhealthy environment here. Mac & Windows are created by humans & no doubt that they will break it. It's the matter of popularity. Windows is more popular, hence thousands eying for breaking it. Mac is less popular, so will take considerable time till the loop holes are discovered. Please stop arguements regarding this issue and think maturely.

I know you;re pointing toward me. But, the best thing in life is to actually read into a thing before posting.

You said something.. I corrected you with a news story from the same site, which actually reported the hack.

If you read the last part of my previous post, you would have understood what I meant.

Every OS has its vulnerabilities. It's bound to happen. If it is coded by a man, it can be broken by a man, too. However, till date, *nix based operating systems have proven to be more secure. It's a fact.

However, if you are still trying to prove yourself right, despite being proven wrong, then be my guest.
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Kiran_tech_mania said:
If Mac is just as common as Windows, there would be "n" number of malwares for it too. Mac is so less popular compared to Windows that hackers are not interested in twisting their brains to that extent.
OK. I accept what you are saying.
Now, consider this. Mac has a very minimal market share as compared to Windows, right? Therefore, it has NO viruses, while there are millions of viruses for the Windows platform. But then why does the Mac platform have such a sizable number of software available for it? Why isn't it same as the viruses ratio?
The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Kiran_tech_mania said:
Remember what hapnd to the guy who put his Mac on network and started saying to hack it if possible. It was hacked in just 30 min of time!
If you give your copy to someone, give him a pen too and then challenge him to scribble on the copy - you cannot do much to prevent your copy even if the pages are waxed!

Kiran_tech_mania said:
Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!
Yes, you are. The Australian hacker who wrote the first virus for Windows Vista proclaimed it boldly all over the internet. Even if only few of the virus writers do it for getting famous, why don't they try to write viruses for the Mac? You know what, they do - but they are not successful. Surely you'll agree that writing a virus for the Mac platform would garner huge amounts of attention from all over the world. And every netizen wants that kind of attention - every single one.

kumarmohit said:
Virus writing is not going to make anyone famous, it will make him infamous.
There is no such thing as negative publicity.

kumarmohit said:
In special cases it might even land the writer in jail.
Oh! And writing viruses for Windows is legally approved by the United States, I suppose!

gx_saurav said:
oh & by the way, i have never sen a virus writer coming in front & telling his name that he made a virus
Because you and I are not important enough. Look around on the internet, however and you'll find that most big viruses are backed by people who claim to have written it.

mAV3 said:
how many will get affected by a virus on mac
Apple sold 1.6 million Macs the last quarter. Add to that the previously installed base of Macintoshes. Also count the fact that since Mac OS X runs on just a handful of similar configurations, any virus for the Mac platform would, in essence, be omnipotent. So, I suppose that is a sizable amount of Macs that could be affected if a virus were to be released for the platform. I know the number is tiny compared to Windows - but it is large enough to earn a lot of money from. Most Hollywood studios use Macs by the truckload. I can see a lot of money for hackers there.

mAV3 said:
the same is true y does a bomb blast occur at a place where ppl are more and y not at a place whr ppl are less .... the impact
It was planned for the House of Parliament when there were only about a hundred people there.
Actually, your statement strengthens my case. Evil-doers do it for pleasure too, money is not the sole motive behind creating viruses - like planning a bomb blast somewhere.

nikhilrao said:
Oh GOD. Not again. Why are Mac users so intolarant and insecure about their OS ? :mad: Cant we hav some normal discussion here ?
Mac OS X “is still a little immature in terms of security compared to Vista,” he contends.
Who is being insecure here? Oh and BTW, this 'analysis' at least proves one thing. Windows XP IS very weak security-wise when compared to Mac OS X, right? You guys cannot deny that now.

Kiran_tech_mania said:
I really don't understand whatz the problem with Mac users here. Why are they trying to prove that "Its THE Best"? Being Windows user, I can definetly say that it is also not perfect in all aspects.
There is a difference between proclaiming that something is the best and that something is perfect. Yes, I - very proudly - say that Mac OS X is the best operating system there is but it is not perfect. It is miles ahead of Windows, yes but it can be improved a lot more (and Leopard will go several steps in that direction).
And it is not just Mac users who are creating the ruckus. Windows and (in the past) Linux users are involved too. It is just a trend on the internet that if someone speaks in favour of the Mac, label him a Mac 'fanboy' or 'maniac'.

The gist of my post is this: while I do understand that the Mac's strong position of security is largely due to it's being a minority in the computer market, it is also improper to say that it is the sole reason. Macs are inherently more secure than Windows because there are ZERO viruses out there for an operating system that has been out there for six years and had a sales figure of 1.6 million in the last four months combines. Surely there would have been at least about FIVE viruses by now.
And basically, even all this logic is rendered useless by the in-your-face fact that Macs are not prone to viruses while Windows is largely affected by it. Forget the reason and face the fact. Macs are thousand times more secure than Windows and that position isn't going to change anytime soon... if at all! :)
 
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mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
gx_saurav said:
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I just asked the source, is it wrong to ask it? How else can I stay the the topic man

I think it is pretty evident from my post that I warned you for trying to intice a flame war with words like 'FUD' etc.
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aryayush said:
The answer: writing software for a Mac is far easier than for Windows and writing viruses for Mac OS X is very difficult as compared to Windows.

Actually, the credit for no viri in OS X goes to it's BSD and UNIX base. There were viri for OS 9, so it discounts all the 'less popular' argument, too.

OS 9 was probably the least known Mac OS ever. Yet, it had viri.



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aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Yes, exactly. I know that from all the history I've been reading too. That is why I always mention OS X specifically in my posts.

gx_saurav said:
Plz provide the source
Vista Viruses - The Next Generation

The site's URL should prove its authenticity.

Do a little experiment on your Windows Vista. Fire up LimeWire and search for some porn. Download any file that is less than 2 MB in size and open it. There, you already have a virus on a brand new copy of the most expensive version of Windows Vista.
 
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thunderbird.117

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mAV3 said:
hey thunderbird ... u got a source paste it here ... dont shoot arrows in the air ... almost every1 has said tht vista is MS most secure OS till date if not the best ...
And who is that everyone. Post "everyone" source here then. Iam not the one who is shooting the arrows is the air. The one who told me that does that.
 

gxsaurav

You gave been GXified
arya said:
do a little experiment on your Windows Vista. Fire up LimeWire and search for some porn. Download any file that is less than 2 MB in size and open it. There, you already have a virus on a brand new copy of the most expensive version of Windows Vista.
One thing which should be made clear, the virus for Windows XP do not work with Windows Vista. Try running the blaster worm on Vista, it won't affect (personally tried this with Vista RC1). Using limewire & downloading viruses like that won't affect vista, if they are not made for Vista file structure & file system

about the first virus for vista, quoted from the website

[ The virus is an emulated service with a driver attached to the file system as an alternate stream


u have to be an admin first to give such permision to install a system lavel service in vista. It's just like what u said above in case of MacOS X, giving open access to the file, which in this case the user did. He went ahead & installed the virus himself, ok...not his fault, most people lack common sence, but comon....system lavel access via a rootkit, no virus can do it himself.

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The Australian hacker who wrote the first virus for Windows Vista proclaimed it boldly all over the internet[/quote]

He wrote a virus, for which version? again, plz provide the source

I admit, obviously, your system will be compromised, if u go ahead & install a virus yourself, i doubt if the user was using Vista RTM

P.S. = Almost a fight section material :D. i m out of here, have to go quite far for north indian dinner
 
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Kiran.dks

Technomancer
Originally Posted by mail2and
I know you;re pointing toward me. But, the best thing in life is to actually read into a thing before posting.

You said something.. I corrected you with a news story from the same site, which actually reported the hack.

If you read the last part of my previous post, you would have understood what I meant.

Every OS has its vulnerabilities. It's bound to happen. If it is coded by a man, it can be broken by a man, too. However, till date, *nix based operating systems have proven to be more secure. It's a fact.

However, if you are still trying to prove yourself right, despite being proven wrong, then be my guest.

Well well well.... Hold on before making me a guest here! I couldn't verify the links you have given due to firewall problems in office. Anyways here it goes now...

Did you check the after effect of Apple claim? No. Apple blamed the user for creating multiple user accounts. I agree that it is the stupidist thing to do - as good as giving a password. Mac could have been better protected. But, it will not make any difference as the hacker exploited a vulnerability that has not yet been made public or patched by Apple. The Hacker said that Apple's OS-often touted as more secure than its Windows counterpart -is "easy pickings" when it comes to vulnerabilities and that relatively low marketshare leaves most hackers uninterested in the platform.

The code that Apple uses in its applications and libraries is relatively under-audited, which leaves a lot of low hanging bugs... reports Suresec's Neil Archibald, a researcher. He then adds..

Some of the security vulnerabilities we've seen during research on OS X were fixed on most other operating systems 10 to 15 years ago," said Suresec's Neil Archibald. The company said that as Apple's marketshare grows, malicious users will find and exploit more of the underlying flaws. Apple is slow to fix them after they are found, and doesn't use the right software to preven them in each release, according to the firm.

Some researchers still believe that the 'Old' security flaws still persist in Mac OS X.

Check out these links:

'Old' security flaws persist in Mac OS X

Mac OS X hacker gains control in 30 min

I hope aryayush got his answer.
 

kumarmohit

Technomancer
@aryaayush - I meant Virus writing for any platform not just Windows or Mac or Linux or Symbian or anything else.
 

mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
Kiran_tech_mania said:
Well well well.... Hold on before making me a guest here! I couldn't verify the links you have given due to firewall problems in office. Anyways here it goes now...

Did you check the after effect of Apple claim? No. Apple blamed the user for creating multiple user accounts. I agree that it is the stupidist thing to do - as good as giving a password. Mac could have been better protected. But, it will not make any difference as the hacker exploited a vulnerability that has not yet been made public or patched by Apple. The Hacker said that Apple's OS-often touted as more secure than its Windows counterpart -is "easy pickings" when it comes to vulnerabilities and that relatively low marketshare leaves most hackers uninterested in the platform.

Well, I suggest you read this more carefully.
*www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2151455/false-hacking-report-prompts

I have always maintained that all platforms are insecure, however this hack attempt was debunked by experts.

I quote:

The University of Wisconsin's challenge provides contestants with a URL for the system that they need to hack.

The system is a Mac Mini running the latest version of OS X as well as all the latest security updates. It has been configured with two local user accounts and has SSH and HTTP open. The latter are not typical settings for an average user, according to Schroeder.

Contestants who claim to have succeeded in hacking the system must provide details about how they breached the security walls, which will be provided to Apple. The winner gets a claim to fame, but no material price.

Why am I not surprised that no one won that particular contest?

There are lots of dumb people in the world. The guy who started the hack contest was one of them.

For the record, it was an independent blog that posted the article, and not Apple.
 

mediator

Technomancer
Kiran_tech_mania said:
Most of the Virus aren't ment for getting famous! It's for stealing information from the victim's PC. Imagine I would write a virus for Windows. Certainly I am not goin to bla bla to everybody that I am the creator!
It seems u r confusing trojans with virii and passive attacks with active attacks! :)
 

mehulved

18 Till I Die............
To all those who say that other OS'es don't have viruses, why does symbian, whose userbase is not so large as Windows have viruses, too. OK symbian usage is growing exponentially now, but there have been viruses for it since the time it wasn't so popular.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
i agree tht its not the popularity only factor leading to trojans and viruses .... but it is an important factor ... creating a trojan for mac will have a small effect as compared to tht for a windows trojan ....

no 1 is saying tht mac/linux are not good ... they are good hence hav stood the test of time ... but saying tht they are unbeatable and saying viuses cant be coded is foolish for any person who has been associated with technology for more than 6 months
 
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