This Indian physicist disproved black holes 13 years before Hawking

[icebags]

I was talking about tourists coming en masse to the year 2014.
Do you think people will travel to year 239 AD if time travel would have been a reality now?

yes, don't u want to witness the evolution humankind and julius caesar with ur own eyes ?! *l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/43.gif

 

[rish1]

Nobody can prove time travel exist or does not exist.. Science is still very very in its early stages..
We don't even have a damn clue about anything really, and who knows we might never will ever be.. Sure we do know a lot of things which can help us build things and make us more efficient.

we don't even know the most basic things about ourself like what is consciousness , soul ,
and if quantum physics is right then how can we ever know about the universe, if the more we look and understand the more the universe changes and is never static, ..

How can a mind solve a problem if the mind itself is creating the problem ?

First we create a scientific theory , then we wait For the experiments to confirm it , then it is universally accepted and put in use and everyone starts believing it , then something else shows up and then another theory is formed rendering previous theories Useless ... and over and over again

looks like theoretical physicists are just a bunch of fairytale believers , that just gets famous..

we don't need them we need guys like tesla that can invent new things and does not bother with the theories...

 

[pranav0091]

Nobody can prove time travel exist or does not exist.. Science is still very very in its early stages..
We don't even have a damn clue about anything really, and who knows we might never will ever be.. Sure we do know a lot of things which can help us build things and make us more efficient.

we don't even know the most basic things about ourself like what is consciousness , soul ,
and if quantum physics is right then how can we ever know about the universe, if the more we look and understand the more the universe changes and is never static, ..

How can a mind solve a problem if the mind itself is creating the problem ?

First we create a scientific theory , then we wait For the experiments to confirm it , then it is universally accepted and put in use and everyone starts believing it , then something else shows up and then another theory is formed rendering previous theories Useless ... and over and over again

looks like theoretical physicists are just a bunch of fairytale believers , that just gets famous..

we don't need them we need guys like tesla that can invent new things and does not bother with the theories...

Thats a ridiculous statement. Tesla was an engineer + physicist. Big fan of him, but I am not ready to diss theoretical physicists at the same time.

When you diss "theoretical physicists" you are lokking down upon brilliant minds like Einstein, Newton, Neils Bohr, Feynman, Stephen Hawking, Wolfgang Pauli, Oppenheimer and pretty much the whole set of astrophysicists and nuclear physicists - That, my friend, is an outlandish claim to make.

if they could travel to past, they can also ravel to future. May be they are interested traveling to future. Ha ha

Travelling to the future is already possible, but not quite the way you think. Every astronaut lands on earth a tiny bit "in the future" as compared to the planet he left at takeoff.

Travelling to the past, as it stands, is conclusively IMPOSSIBLE - without proving the mass-energy conservation principle as wrong (of finding a case where it doesnt apply).

 

[skeletor]

looks like theoretical physicists are just a bunch of fairytale believers , that just gets famous..

damn.

False.

 

[snap]

Nobody can prove time travel exist or does not exist.. Science is still very very in its early stages..
We don't even have a damn clue about anything really, and who knows we might never will ever be.. Sure we do know a lot of things which can help us build things and make us more efficient.

we don't even know the most basic things about ourself like what is consciousness , soul ,
and if quantum physics is right then how can we ever know about the universe, if the more we look and understand the more the universe changes and is never static, ..

How can a mind solve a problem if the mind itself is creating the problem ?

First we create a scientific theory , then we wait For the experiments to confirm it , then it is universally accepted and put in use and everyone starts believing it , then something else shows up and then another theory is formed rendering previous theories Useless ... and over and over again

looks like theoretical physicists are just a bunch of fairytale believers , that just gets famous..

we don't need them we need guys like tesla that can invent new things and does not bother with the theories...

probably the most ridiculous statement in this thread

 

[srkmish]

I was talking about tourists coming en masse to the year 2014.
Do you think people will travel to year 239 AD if time travel would have been a reality now?

absolutely. who doesnt want to witness dinosaurs, cromagnon man, the whole history of mankind as it unearthed. we could learn so so much ,much more than the history books teach us.

 

[bubusam13]

Travelling to the future is already possible, but not quite the way you think. Every astronaut lands on earth a tiny bit "in the future" as compared to the planet he left at takeoff.

Travelling to the past, as it stands, is conclusively IMPOSSIBLE - without proving the mass-energy conservation principle as wrong (of finding a case where it doesnt apply).

Thats an irony of a question. Anyway, these are all hypothesis, not theory.

 

[rish1]

Thats a ridiculous statement. Tesla was an engineer + physicist. Big fan of him, but I am not ready to diss theoretical physicists at the same time.

When you diss "theoretical physicists" you are lokking down upon brilliant minds like Einstein, Newton, Neils Bohr, Feynman, Stephen Hawking, Wolfgang Pauli, Oppenheimer and pretty much the whole set of astrophysicists and nuclear physicists - That, my friend, is an outlandish claim to make.

Lol 1 just can't get away with a statement like that.. i agree it was way over exaggerated and i was bummed about hearing black holes don't exist, i watched countless documentaries tried to understand black holes , became a believer and now it was just a bunch of lies.. wastage of time , money,resources how annoying it is ..

damn.

False.

True

probably the most ridiculous statement in this thread

I agree

 

[pranav0091]

Lol 1 just can't get away with a statement like that.. i agree it was way over exaggerated and i was bummed about hearing black holes don't exist, i watched countless documentaries tried to understand black holes , became a believer and now it was just a bunch of lies.. wastage of time , money,resources how annoying it is ..



True



I agree

Black holes DO exist, if that helps you

No kidding. Black holes do exist, the media is just a bunch of hyperactive idiots. the paper says the Event Horizon is not a HARD BOUNDARY, rather a gradual field. That in no way implies a black hole doesnt exist.

Quoting myslef from this thread

That being said, nobody said the balck holes dont exist. What Hawking claims now is that the event horizon is not a rigid boundary as it was once thought. Thats more like an alien far away in the universe saying that earth exists but there is also an atmosphere around it so he was wrong to say that the earth had a hard boundary that separated it from "outer-space"

Thats an irony of a question. Anyway, these are all hypothesis, not theory.

Nope. Thats (inability to travel to the past in time) the result of the currently accepted theories - these are not hypotheses, rather 'accepted as of today' results.

 

[tkin]

Black holes do exist, Hawking just redefined it to match the theories, take a look here *medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/df0a131d7b95

 

[Inceptionist]

yes, don't u want to witness the evolution humankind and julius caesar with ur own eyes ?! *l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/43.gif

absolutely. who doesnt want to witness dinosaurs, cromagnon man, the whole history of mankind as it unearthed. we could learn so so much ,much more than the history books teach us.

Ummm... the year 239 AD is not that far back. Humans in that time would be indistinguishable from us as we all are homo sapiens sapiens. Caesar would have died 300 years ago, dinosaurs for few million years. And you can't observe evolution over few decades or centuries. It takes thousands of years.

But you are proving my point, people would rather walk with dinosaurs than with people in 2014 AD.

 

[srkmish]

Ummm... the year 239 AD is not that far back. Humans in that time would be indistinguishable from us as we all are homo sapiens sapiens. Caesar would have died 300 years ago, dinosaurs for few million years. And you can't observe evolution over few decades or centuries. It takes thousands of years.

But you are proving my point, people would rather walk with dinosaurs than with people in 2014 AD.

I am not talking about observing evolution. I am talking about the inexplicable instinct to know what really unearthed in the past, this hunger for knowing everything. How beautiful, how exotic, how terribly exciting it would be to see the glory of life at different stages of time. If this possibility doesn't get you excited, then donate ur time machine to someone more curious if you get it

 

[Inceptionist]

I am not talking about observing evolution. I am talking about the inexplicable instinct to know what really unearthed in the past, this hunger for knowing everything. How beautiful, how exotic, how terribly exciting it would be to see the glory of life at different stages of time. If this possibility doesn't get you excited, then donate ur time machine to someone more curious if you get it

Hell no.
I'm going in the past and then I'm gonna take a ride on T-Rex.

 

[pranav0091]

Hell no.
I'm going in the past and then I'm gonna take a ride on T-Rex.

Which TRex was a donkey ?

 

[AcceleratorX]

I think we have hardly seen the last of this debate. We still have to see the statistical mechanical explanation and the chemical theory of these things (they will come sooner or later). Then, we can form a composite theory.

I am an engineer-physicist (sort of) and to be honest Engineering Physics generally does not bother with things like this. We are constrained to real systems and real situations, not to hypothetical assumptions. As such theoretical physics DOES play a huge part in engineering physics as well. A lot of things in materials science, thermionic emission and phase transition phenomena were predicted first before any experiment was conducted to verify them, for example.

The whole branch of information theory (which seems to be a topic of interest for all you computer and Electronics Engineers) is a direct offshoot of statistical mechanics and thermodynamics. In fact, you can map any information system almost 1:1 to a thermodynamic system that uses statistical mechanics. In effect, communication was possible because of the efforts of the theoretical physicists, even though they would not have imagined such an application. So we have to give respect where it is due and we do need more theoretical scientists.