PC Buying Guide 2013 - Q4

Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
Jas, there are two budget Trinity motherboards available. Here are they:-

Pure Budget: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 @ 3.5K
VFM: Asus F2A55-M LK PLUS @ 4.65K, F2A55-M LE @ 5.1K
Basic Performance: Asus F2A85-M-LE @ 5.725K
Performance: Asus F2A85-M @ 6.67K

I was doing some analysis about A10-5800K based config and found out that right now i3 3220 based configuration does not make any sense, in terms of gaming, IGP performance and multi-threaded apps. Sharing my reasons:-

Currently A10-5800K + F2A55-M LK PLUS combo will cost you around (8.4K + 4.65K) = 13.05K, (13.05 - 7.5 - 4.3) = 1.25K higher than i3 3220 + gigabyte B75 Motherboard combination. So I am trying to justify the 1.25K price difference.

Gaming Performance

1. You will get very strong IGP performance which is way better than HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2500 are simply not a match for it. Actually it will give you performance of a HD 5670 DDR3 version, a 4.3K Graphics card.
2. Gaming performance wise both the CPU are same at 1600X900 and 1920X1080P resolution which most of the people use now a days.
3. Just for playing games with minimum FPS, you need to invest at least 4K with the Intel config for a dedicated Graphics card. On the other hand the AMD based configuration offers good FPS in most of the games with medium settings. Also GPU up to HD 6670 can be added to boost the performance in DX11 titles which are very common now a days.
4. Now we have seen lots of games, specially the Multi-player versions are getting Multi-Core optimized and BF3 MP is a perfect example. Here the quad core 5800K can really shine.
5. 5800K can easily be overclocked to match the performance of i3 3220. although in expense of higher power consumption. So even if you're planning for a medium end discrete GPu like 650 ti or HD 7850/660Ti, A10-5800K still holds its ground and against i3.

CPU Performance

1. 5800K has very comparable single threaded performance, although slightly lower than i3 3220.
2. In most of the Multi-threaded benchmarks, 5800K is ahead of i3 3220.
3. i3 3220 lacks the AES instruction set support and on those kind of apps, 5800K is exceptionally good compared to its rival.
4. In Photoshop, 5800K is faster and due to its OpenCl acceleration, it can take advantage of Photoshop filters with OpenCL acceleration support.
5. In day to Day compression apps like 7Z 5800K is really ahead and in Winzip, 5800K again shines due to OpenCL acceleration.
6. As 5800K is unlocked, it can be overclocked to increase the performance.
7. It has huge number of advanced instruction set supports like AES, AVX, FMA4 and FMA3, AMD XOP (SSE 5.1 from AMD) completely missing in i3 3220 (apart from AVX). So future apps can take advantage of those instructions

Jas, have a look and share your opinion. I also like to see the opinion from other members.
 
thetechfreak

thetechfreak

Legend Never Ends
Re: AMD Trinity APU Discussion

AMD A10-5800K | Processor | Flipkart.com Rs.8400~


And MSI A55 mobo - Rs.3500~ click me


These are to replace low end i3 rigs for sure.
 
Neo

Neo

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@Cilus yea, in gpu performance, 5800k blows away most processors .
Also, in some apps like Photoshop, it even scores better than the i5. So it is definitely a VFM product.
 
V

vkl

Cyborg Agent
Cilus said:
Jas, there are two budget Trinity motherboards available. Here are they:-

Pure Budget: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 @ 3.5K
VFM: Asus F2A55-M LK PLUS @ 4.65K, F2A55-M LE @ 5.1K
Basic Performance: Asus F2A85-M-LE @ 5.725K
Performance: Asus F2A85-M @ 6.67K

I was doing some analysis about A10-5800K based config and found out that right now i3 3220 based configuration does not make any sense, in terms of gaming, IGP performance and multi-threaded apps. Sharing my reasons:-

Currently A10-5800K + F2A55-M LK PLUS combo will cost you around (8.4K + 4.65K) = 13.05K, (13.05 - 7.5 - 4.3) = 1.25K higher than i3 3220 + gigabyte B75 Motherboard combination. So I am trying to justify the 1.25K price difference.

Gaming Performance

1. You will get very strong IGP performance which is way better than HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2500 are simply not a match for it. Actually it will give you performance of a HD 5670 DDR3 version, a 4.3K Graphics card.
2. Gaming performance wise both the CPU are same at 1600X900 and 1920X1080P resolution which most of the people use now a days.
3. Just for playing games with minimum FPS, you need to invest at least 4K with the Intel config for a dedicated Graphics card. On the other hand the AMD based configuration offers good FPS in most of the games with medium settings. Also GPU up to HD 6670 can be added to boost the performance in DX11 titles which are very common now a days.
4. Now we have seen lots of games, specially the Multi-player versions are getting Multi-Core optimized and BF3 MP is a perfect example. Here the quad core 5800K can really shine.
5. 5800K can easily be overclocked to match the performance of i3 3220. although in expense of higher power consumption. So even if you're planning for a medium end discrete GPu like 650 ti or HD 7850/660Ti, A10-5800K still holds its ground and against i3.

CPU Performance

1. 5800K has very comparable single threaded performance, although slightly lower than i3 3220.
2. In most of the Multi-threaded benchmarks, 5800K is ahead of i3 3220.
3. i3 3220 lacks the AES instruction set support and on those kind of apps, 5800K is exceptionally good compared to its rival.
4. In Photoshop, 5800K is faster and due to its OpenCl acceleration, it can take advantage of Photoshop filters with OpenCL acceleration support.
5. In day to Day compression apps like 7Z 5800K is really ahead and in Winzip, 5800K again shines due to OpenCL acceleration.
6. As 5800K is unlocked, it can be overclocked to increase the performance.
7. It has huge number of advanced instruction set supports like AES, AVX, FMA4 and FMA3, AMD XOP (SSE 5.1 from AMD) completely missing in i3 3220 (apart from AVX). So future apps can take advantage of those instructions

Jas, have a look and share your opinion. I also like to see the opinion from other members.
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Spec-wise,A55 motherboards as good as some h61 motherboards,except that it can support RAM frequencies up-to 1866MHz(some even more with overclocking).
A85x motherboards are quite good.A75 has the sataIII and usb3.0 ports.
If some A75-based FM2 motherboards are available here while being priced good bit below a85x motherboards,then it would be quite good.

At FHD and 1600*900,i3 3220 is somewhat ahead in gaming,but for low mid-range gaming cards they would be more or less the same.
In Photoshop CS6 i3 3220 is as fast or faster than a10-5800k as hd2500/hd4000 also have OpenCL support.
Winzip 16.5 had OpenCL acceleration support only for AMD GPUs.With Winzip 17,it has support for OpenCL acceleration for Intel,AMD and Nvidia's GPUs.
OpenCL based image editing with professional softwares like Musemage is where the APU shows its worth.
In OpenCL based 3D rendering A10's IGP is much ahead of i3 3220's IGP.Applications like Mathematica 8 can also use OpenCL for computing things.
Trinity quad-core APUs shine in OpenCL based applications like GIMP,Handbrake,Media-expresso,Final Cut Pro X,Winzip,Musemage,Photoshop cs6,OpenCL based rendering applications etc.

A10-5800k looks more reasonable in most cases than i3 3220 as it gives good CPU performance,much better IGP,overclock-ability,better OpenCL compute power and more instruction-sets support.
 
satyanjoy

satyanjoy

Sweet Poison
how does A10-5800K stand in gaming with Nvidia GPU , is there any advantage going with AMD gpu ? It will be great if we can get i5(non k) like performance at price of whole i5 processor from AMD combo (procey+mobo+ram)
 
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Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
If you plug a Nvidia GPU then the IGP will be disabled and you can consider the performance of an i3 2120/3220 in terms of CPU performance.
 
satyanjoy

satyanjoy

Sweet Poison
Cilus said:
If you plug a Nvidia GPU then the IGP will be disabled and you can consider the performance of an i3 2120/3220 in terms of CPU performance.
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endgadget did a video on this compare with i5 3550 without discrete gpu,as per the video we can overclock the cpu and gpu separately. Can the cpu outpace i3 in terms of multi core gaming like multiplayer section of bf3

 
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Jaskanwar Singh

Jaskanwar Singh

Aspiring Novelist
sorry guys, was away for exams!

Cilus said:
Jas, there are two budget Trinity motherboards available. Here are they:-

Pure Budget: MSI FM2-A55M-E33 @ 3.5K
VFM: Asus F2A55-M LK PLUS @ 4.65K, F2A55-M LE @ 5.1K
Basic Performance: Asus F2A85-M-LE @ 5.725K
Performance: Asus F2A85-M @ 6.67K

I was doing some analysis about A10-5800K based config and found out that right now i3 3220 based configuration does not make any sense, in terms of gaming, IGP performance and multi-threaded apps. Sharing my reasons:-

Currently A10-5800K + F2A55-M LK PLUS combo will cost you around (8.4K + 4.65K) = 13.05K, (13.05 - 7.5 - 4.3) = 1.25K higher than i3 3220 + gigabyte B75 Motherboard combination. So I am trying to justify the 1.25K price difference.

Gaming Performance

1. You will get very strong IGP performance which is way better than HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2500 are simply not a match for it. Actually it will give you performance of a HD 5670 DDR3 version, a 4.3K Graphics card.
2. Gaming performance wise both the CPU are same at 1600X900 and 1920X1080P resolution which most of the people use now a days.
3. Just for playing games with minimum FPS, you need to invest at least 4K with the Intel config for a dedicated Graphics card. On the other hand the AMD based configuration offers good FPS in most of the games with medium settings. Also GPU up to HD 6670 can be added to boost the performance in DX11 titles which are very common now a days.
4. Now we have seen lots of games, specially the Multi-player versions are getting Multi-Core optimized and BF3 MP is a perfect example. Here the quad core 5800K can really shine.
5. 5800K can easily be overclocked to match the performance of i3 3220. although in expense of higher power consumption. So even if you're planning for a medium end discrete GPu like 650 ti or HD 7850/660Ti, A10-5800K still holds its ground and against i3.

CPU Performance

1. 5800K has very comparable single threaded performance, although slightly lower than i3 3220.
2. In most of the Multi-threaded benchmarks, 5800K is ahead of i3 3220.
3. i3 3220 lacks the AES instruction set support and on those kind of apps, 5800K is exceptionally good compared to its rival.
4. In Photoshop, 5800K is faster and due to its OpenCl acceleration, it can take advantage of Photoshop filters with OpenCL acceleration support.
5. In day to Day compression apps like 7Z 5800K is really ahead and in Winzip, 5800K again shines due to OpenCL acceleration.
6. As 5800K is unlocked, it can be overclocked to increase the performance.
7. It has huge number of advanced instruction set supports like AES, AVX, FMA4 and FMA3, AMD XOP (SSE 5.1 from AMD) completely missing in i3 3220 (apart from AVX). So future apps can take advantage of those instructions

Jas, have a look and share your opinion. I also like to see the opinion from other members.
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ya agreed a10 5800k is better buy, but problem is afaik fx 6300 will be priced same too, which generally offers better performance.
so i think those budget pc can get a a10 or other trinity, and when u plan on adding a gpu, fx 6300 will be better option. what say?
any idea when fx 6300 will be launched here?
 
Cilus

Cilus

laborare est orare
Ya, Jas you're right. But until the release of FX 6300 in India, I think 5800K will be the choice at 8K range.
 
d6bmg

d6bmg

BMG ftw!!
In last 1 year, not much activity in your thread.. Going through the changes in your life I suppose? :p
 
TheLetterD

TheLetterD

Will Power
Just a suggestion: In the Sub 50K rigs I think the Bitfenix Merc Alpha can replace a CM 311. You can get it for 2.6K and its pretty great VFM according to reviews from good websites(i.e. AnandTech).
Im planning to get it soon too.
 
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