Nokia set to unveil 'iPhone killer' in Nov

[Pat]

Leave it.

@'teh' fanbois

iFone is teh best fone.....apologies for our f00lishness.

You are so right about iPhone not selling upto Apple's expectations

a: They reached their target of 10 million iPhones 3 months before their expectation.
*www.dailywireless.org/2008/10/06/iphone-10-million-sold/

You are right.They should have reached it atleast 6 months in advance.

b: iPhone 3G is the 2nd best-selling mobile in the US.
*www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/06/iphone_3g_now_the_second_best_selling_us_mobile_handset.html

You are right. They should be 1st.

Apple is completely doomed. They did not reach their expectations.

Anyways, this "wannabe" thread is going way too off-topic. My last post here about the iPhone.

 

[Psychosocial]

You are so right about iPhone not selling upto Apple's expectations

a: They reached their target of 10 million iPhones 3 months before their expectation.
*www.dailywireless.org/2008/10/06/iphone-10-million-sold/

You are right.They should have reached it atleast 6 months in advance.

b: iPhone 3G is the 2nd best-selling mobile in the US.
*www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/10/06/iphone_3g_now_the_second_best_selling_us_mobile_handset.html

You are right. They should be 1st.

Apple is completely doomed. They did not reach their expectations.

Anyways, this "wannabe" thread is going way too off-topic. My last post here about the iPhone.

I told u...... no comments from me coz I am an anti-fanboi and ur a fanboi..... so in the end it will lead to both of us getting banned .

 

[skeletor]

Well, it is not priced right

X1 is perfectly priced.

Phones are priced according to the market price of the other phones. Can Diamond be priced same as Gold?...

and does not have Android.

Well, at the moment, Windows Mobile > Android. If we compare HTC's Windows Mobile phones to the HTC Dream (Android), you can see what Dream misses out which is actually due to the Android platform, not that HTC didn't have the tech. Android isn't finished yet. You still can't expect an 'iPhone' killer Android phone. Android will only start maturing after an year and at that time, it 'may' revolutionalize the smartphone market. You can't expect an iPhone killer right now and may be after an year, we may have something new from other companies with which the Android may have to compete. I mean to say, after an year the iPhone may not be the direct competeitor of Android.

Anyways, Sony Ericsson is thinking to invest in Android smartphones as quoted by one of their high officals.

 

[krazzy]

It is now possible to run multiple apps at the same time(not only Safari,Mail etc.)

Lol @ "iPhone Hype Killer"

So if you press the Home key, the app just goes into background instead of terminating? And this applies to downloaded apps as well? And I'm assuming this does not require jailbreaking as well.

As for the 'iPhone killer' thing, actually none of the iPhone wannabe have the kind of stuff that made iPhone really popular. They put in a high resolution display, higher resolution camera, louder speakers and what not and then plan on taking over the iPhone. In reality they are just adding the stuff that the iPhone lacks, but they don't realise they don't have what the iPhone has. And that is the design, the interface, the iTunes integration and the App Store. These are the things that has endeared the iPhone to the people. The fact that it is from Apple isn't actually one of them. I am pretty sure Nokia has amassed more fans in all these years than Apple.

There can never be a true iPhone killer. A true iPhone killer would have to have all the four qualities mentioned above AND have stuff like the high resolution camera and such stuff. But the thing is all the other companies just concentrate on the latter, the stuff that iPhone lacks instead of what it has, what it does best. And I'm pretty sure they won't ever be able to do that. You'll never find the iPhone's interface or iTunes integration on a Nokia or Samsung or Sony Ericsson phone. Nor will you ever find a true iPhone killer.

 

[Pat]

So if you press the Home key, the app just goes into background instead of terminating? And this applies to downloaded apps as well? And I'm assuming this does not require jailbreaking as well.

Yes, you need to jailbreak your phone and get a FREE app called Backgrounder. But before anyone starts again, Jailbreaking DOES NOT void your warranty.

 

[krazzy]

Yes, you need to jailbreak your phone and get a FREE app called Backgrounder. But before anyone starts again, Jailbreaking DOES NOT void your warranty.

Ah I should've known. It requires jailbreaking, which is an additional bit of work. Whereas the 5800 does it out of the box.

And how can jailbreaking not void the warranty? You are after all breaking into your iPhone and doing stuff to it that Apple doesn't want you to do.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

X1 is perfectly priced.

Phones are priced according to the market price of the other phones. Can Diamond be priced same as Gold?...

Well, I said to combat iPhone, you need a phone in its price league.

Well, at the moment, Windows Mobile > Android. If we compare HTC's Windows Mobile phones to the HTC Dream (Android), you can see what Dream misses out which is actually due to the Android platform, not that HTC didn't have the tech. Android isn't finished yet. You still can't expect an 'iPhone' killer Android phone. Android will only start maturing after an year and at that time, it 'may' revolutionalize the smartphone market. You can't expect an iPhone killer right now and may be after an year, we may have something new from other companies with which the Android may have to compete. I mean to say, after an year the iPhone may not be the direct competeitor of Android.

The advantage I think android has, is that just like iPhone, you can port desktop apps to it more easily. iPhone is mac. Similarly Android is linux. So it becomes easier to do the porting in these two phones since the architecure is similar.

As for saying that android is not ready for the market, ofcourse its not ready. But like all OSS projects, it has the potential to grow fast. I estimate that in another one year, it can become highly developed (after looking at the way ubuntu has progressed).

And as long as the phone is internally powerful as far as resources and hardware features are concerned, you can just download updates to android for getting more features.

Anyway, the REAL reason it can be (or has the potential to be) the iPhone killer is because, as I said before, it can get all the features iPhoneOSX has, and MORE. You don't need permission from a very conservative company to release apps for android, nor do you need to spend minimum 30K seperately to get a PC which can run android SDK.

Anyways, Sony Ericsson is thinking to invest in Android smartphones as quoted by one of their high officals.

bad news again for me. if nobody is ready to make mainstream to budget, sub 200$ or sub rs.10000 android phone, android can never compete with wince.

Yes, you need to jailbreak your phone and get a FREE app called Backgrounder. But before anyone starts again, Jailbreaking DOES NOT void your warranty.

Then what exactly is Apple's own views on Jailbreaking ?

 

[Pat]

And how can jailbreaking not void the warranty? You are after all breaking into your iPhone and doing stuff to it that Apple doesn't want you to do.

It is possible to restore iPhone to factory default state which leaves no-trace of jailbreaking.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

It is possible to restore iPhone to factory default state which leaves no-trace of jailbreaking.

Knew it. Some sort of meddling exists

BTW, is it possible to create disk image of iphone then restore it to factory state then warranty service then restore jailbraked state from disk image ?

 

[Pat]

Knew it. Some sort of meddling exists

BTW, is it possible to create disk image of iphone then restore it to factory state then warranty service then restore jailbraked state from disk image ?

Yes. You can do it. Pwnage Tool now allows flashing custom firmware (or disk images as you said). The hackers have already ported apt/deb,terminal,python,ruby and what not. They have also ported a JVM on the iPhone (havent used it yet)

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Yes. You can do it. Pwnage Tool now allows flashing custom firmware (or disk images as you said). The hackers have already ported apt/deb,terminal,python,ruby and what not. They have also ported a JVM on the iPhone (havent used it yet)

Thats not what I asked. What I asked was, since most people have a lot of customisations and personalisations on their jailbreaked iphone, it may not be feasable to reinstall the jailbreaked firmware once again and redo everything.

SO, can we take a backup of the WHOLE iPhone's flash drive's contents so that it can be restored later ?

PS: WTF ? Apt/deb, terminal, python, ruby and JVM ? Seriously man, if people have done THIS much on a phone which officially DISCOURAGES such activities, imagine what can happen to a platform which is similar and ENCOURAGES such activities ? (android). I suppose they will start having servers running from mobile phones

 

[skeletor]

Offtopic: Krazzy.....You and me have the same Siggy......

 

[Pat]

Thats not what I asked. What I asked was, since most people have a lot of customisations and personalisations on their jailbreaked iphone, it may not be feasable to reinstall the jailbreaked firmware once again and redo everything.

You cannot do it completely in one shot. You can use a custom(jailbreaked) firmware to restore. And there is a free app called "APT Backup" which backs up all apps installed via dpkg(cydia) and can restore them on a fresh install. Ofcourse, AppStore apps can be synced with itunes without any fuss.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

You cannot do it completely in one shot. You can use a custom(jailbreaked) firmware to restore. And there is a free app called "APT Backup" which backs up all apps installed via dpkg(cydia) and can restore them on a fresh install. Ofcourse, AppStore apps can be synced with itunes without any fuss.

why can't we use partition backup tools like norton ghost ?

 

[comp@ddict]

Norton ghost is really nice soft. nice suggestion^^ been using it for a while and has helped in quick recovery often when required

 

[kumarmohit]

Well, it is not priced right and does not have Android.

You are the one who needs waking up. I said android because its architecturally superior because of its UNIX roots, just like iPhone, but at the same time you can develop apps and release them for Android much more easily compared to iPhone.

As for OpenSource, why, even Palm is almost opensource since its linux based in its new version. Also opensource is motorolla's linux for its phones.

Windows and Macintosh are the only non opensource members in the phone OS arena. The former is flawed as far as security is concerned, and the later is flawed as far as ease of development of apps is concerned. So I prefer buying neither.

What I want to say is that Symbian is a better platform compared to Android for a mobile device because of certain reasons which are :

Just like Android developing apps for symbian does not restrict you in a proprietary ecosystem (I am looking at your App Store, Fruit company). Moreover Symbian has a big line of software products in the market already. Android developers are still going to take time, however fast they work.

Two unlike Android which is bringing UNIX principles, (a complete desktop/server system ) to a mobile device, Symbian is made from ground up for mobile device. Being a *NIX system it comes down with a lot of *nix baggage. At the same time Symbian is on home ground. Definite advantage!

Consider the fact that Symbian is the biggest smartphone platform in EU and APAC but still means the competition in Symbian and Android is completely unlike the competition in Linux and Windows on desktop.


Unlike the desktop market where Windows is generally and genuinely hated, people actually use and love Symbian. This means that Android can not cash out on the hate factor (Linux enthusiasts please excuse my lacking vocabulary). Android has to break people from a platform which they have no reason to move away from. Unlike Linux being the messiah of desktop all over the world, Android competes with Win Mo only in US. Symbian is open source as well so Android can not be mobile messiah. The open source factor of both OS's nullifies each other.

Android is great and all but to come up in Symbian league, it will need a lot of sleepless nights from developers and extensive marketing by mobile companies. Above all Android will need a killer app.

I hope and pray it is Android which rises to challenge Symbian because that would actually mean innovation in free space and not in Redmond or Cupertino!

 

[abhinandh]

Which cult do you belong to ? Sony Ericson maybe.......or is it Motorola or any other ?

N73 , N81 to name a few crawling nokias.

 

[comp@ddict]

Well..hope the * version of 5800 is available soon hehehe

 

[MetalheadGautham]

Norton ghost is really nice soft. nice suggestion^^ been using it for a while and has helped in quick recovery often when required

Question still remains: DOES IT WORK FOR YOU WITHOUT ANY FLAWS ON ALL MOBILE PHONES ?

What I want to say is that Symbian is a better platform compared to Android for a mobile device because of certain reasons which are :

Just like Android developing apps for symbian does not restrict you in a proprietary ecosystem (I am looking at your App Store, Fruit company). Moreover Symbian has a big line of software products in the market already. Android developers are still going to take time, however fast they work.

Two unlike Android which is bringing UNIX principles, (a complete desktop/server system ) to a mobile device, Symbian is made from ground up for mobile device. Being a *NIX system it comes down with a lot of *nix baggage. At the same time Symbian is on home ground. Definite advantage!

Consider the fact that Symbian is the biggest smartphone platform in EU and APAC but still means the competition in Symbian and Android is completely unlike the competition in Linux and Windows on desktop.


Unlike the desktop market where Windows is generally and genuinely hated, people actually use and love Symbian. This means that Android can not cash out on the hate factor (Linux enthusiasts please excuse my lacking vocabulary). Android has to break people from a platform which they have no reason to move away from. Unlike Linux being the messiah of desktop all over the world, Android competes with Win Mo only in US. Symbian is open source as well so Android can not be mobile messiah. The open source factor of both OS's nullifies each other.

Android is great and all but to come up in Symbian league, it will need a lot of sleepless nights from developers and extensive marketing by mobile companies. Above all Android will need a killer app.

I hope and pray it is Android which rises to challenge Symbian because that would actually mean innovation in free space and not in Redmond or Cupertino!

Well, there DO exist compromises between the two, apart from more scope for competition.

1. Android apps are often java based, hence can run on symbian too.

2. Android apps can easily come from existing linux apps. There are plans on to port VLC Media Player for example. Also being ported are the linux commandline tools to android.

3. Both are OSS. Maybe we can see some symbian compatability layer in android soon. I think its possible in around 8 months.

4. Linux codebase would NOT cause any overhead. Rather, it would result in better performance on PDAs because linux is being designed with portability in mind. So android may be a healthy competition to symbian and when two opensource giants collide, like gnome vs KDE wars, we can expect a feature war. My favourite event

5. Android is a distro being designed for newer gen phones. So it has newer age concepts like touch screen in better light than symbian. So android can still compete better with the other new age platform, iPhone.

 

[comp@ddict]

Question still remains: DOES IT WORK FOR YOU WITHOUT ANY FLAWS ON ALL MOBILE PHONES ?

Mobile phones..not sure