New i5 Config

[Ishu Gupta]

Honestly I've no idea where these rumors started. AMD is only for gaming, AMD overheats a lot compared to Intel. These things came up sometime in 2003-2004 I believe

From the dealers getting higher margins from Intel sales.

 

[whitestar_999]

@,read this as it will help you a lot now & in future:
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/power-sup...89-power-supply-blacklist-thread-newbies.html

getting single 4gb module is better now-a-days(2*4gb in your case considering your usage).also buy an aftermarket cpu cooler like coolermaster hyper212 for ~2000 & it will greatly help in keeping your cpu temps low.with this & no graphics card you can get away with even a cheap Rs.600 cabinet though you can get coolermaster elite 310 for ~1600.

 

[coderunknown]

1) My whole time work is to design catalogues & brouchers for printing purpose.
i will be using potoshop only to edit photographs & some other effect purpose only. so NO 3D is to be done in near future.

i suggested PC with GPU cause it was coming in your budget. So why compromise in GPU when you can afford it and it also increases performance (not much in 2D actually).

2) if you people insist on buying a saprate Graphics card i will go for it, but if onboard display memory is around 1gb in good mother board, i will prefer to save on it & invest in 8GB ram (instead of 4 gb) & will go for 64bit XP. Now prefering XP over W7U is bcoz W7U dont support my "old" laser printer & flate bed scanner.
if installing drivers from xp competibility mode from W7 & if it will work from W7, i can definately go for W7U. (plz suggest)

Onboard graphics can never ever match a dedicated graphics card even if has 1Gb/2Gb/10Gb memory.

i'll suggest you invest in a 6k GPU and invest the rest in cooling.

3) i was thinking a 2.5K VIP PSU (400w / 500w) will work, not sure to sped a 4K on much more (600w) psu.

read what Ishu said. that is the very reason your old PC died. problem is that these PSU are fine for home use or limited use. Once you start running PC for heavy use that demands constant high power, they fail and blow themselves up causing other parts to fail too.

4) A roburst motherboard is what i really need.

already suggested

5) ram which comes with heat sink works better ??? should i use that type ??
a single module of 4gb works better or 2X2Gb also works same ??

doesn't matter in your case. if you are going to overclock ram (forget it. you already said no for this) it really helps else not much. go for 2X4Gb ram at ~2400 only. ram price has come down to much that you don't need to compromise on other parts to include more ram.

6) i dont have any idea for amd, years ago it was said that they tend to over heat & may burn m/b (some cases might have been happen, but still years ago). one morething, i dont have A/c at my "tiney" office. so if you suggest me for amd & if it is overheating too then any need for special cpu cooler ??? if yes then fluied based or air will do ?? is it so necessory to buy such expensive cabinets ?? ( i have not seen people using such high-end cabinates)

all current fast processor heats up a bit. Be it AMD FX, AMD Phenom II X6 or Core i5 2600K or Core i7. an aftermarket cooler (Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo at 2k) really helps here. Else there mayn't be any shutdown due to overheat but the fan can cause a lot of noise which can be annoying.

7) this machine is going to provide me (& my family) bread & butter, so i will not compromise on Quality, performance for money. will arrange for it & then buy (if it takes 10-15 days more to arrange then also i will wait & arrange)

a few extra suggestion:
1. buy locally or online is your choice but if you decide to change any part, do take other recommendation.
2. if you buy locally, shopkeeper will suggest you go for something like Cooler Master Extreme Power 460W-600W. Seriously avoid. This can be the reason you'll kill your PC. Go with the PSU i suggested earlier.
3. If you are going for graphics card, get Gigabyte HD7750 from SMCInternational. I suggested you getting this as local market will try to sell you something like GT520 2Gb saying it has more graphics memory. But the truth it, it is a failure as it can't even use 1/4th the graphics memory properly.

9) i already have a very good UPS (4hrs backup for 1 pc, 3 tubelights & 1 fan) so will be using the same ups. I have a 2.1 Altec lansing speakers so i will be using that too. ( can use money on better specs. or even save that)

so you can skip on this and save some cash or invest this on speaker or say a better cabinet. AC is not really required for keeping a PC cool as said by most. you just need a cabinet with proper ventilation and 3-4 fans to regulate airflow else even an AC won't help.

 

[aadishvaar]

From the dealers getting higher margins from Intel sales.

yes it all started when AMD started to market their products 1) athlone & 2) something (i dont remember the product name). so intel's slaes team might have started tospeak against it. when a lay man goes to buy a pc / component, if the dealer says "buy if you want to, BUT i dont suggest or it has verybad service or bla bla bla.... the buyer comes (read always comes) in trape. so only this thing might have been with me.

@,read this as it will help you a lot now & in future:
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/power-sup...89-power-supply-blacklist-thread-newbies.html

i am reading it...

Honestly I've no idea where these rumors started. AMD is only for gaming, AMD overheats a lot compared to Intel. These things came up sometime in 2003-2004 I believe

yes, you are absolutely right, as i was planning for a new pc (in 2002) & finalize for amd athlone (by visiting amd's stall & got banchmarks showing diff btw P3/P4 & amd athlone) but when i went to buy components, delear made me double mind & i went for P4 (which made me spend aprox 4/5K more, in other words aprox 10-15% increase in budget.)

now the same time came in my life once again, to choose btw intel & amd

 

[skeletor]

That time, you went for Intel. Paid more and got less performance than AMD. AMD was the performance leader.

This time, you have the budget and Intel is the performance leader. Go for Intel again.

 

[aadishvaar]

so to short list by parts
1) Intel Core i5 2500K
Intel DH67CL B3 5750 / Z68

2) AMD 1090T
Asus M5A97

(will go for any (intel / amd) as you suggest )

i can / would like to spend more on really good mobo if required

G-skill F3-12800CL9S-4GBXL
Corsair DDR3
(whichever will be best)

wd 500 / 1 TB Sata2 (pref. 32mb catch / 7200)
considering the price tag as rates are more then double

PSU Corsair GS600 (or similar)

Monitor Dell U2312HM (can spend resionalbe amt for a 24")
as per ishu "IPS are great for photowork", so i think it is final. only thing if i spen 1K or 2 k more & getting 24" ultra sharp will go for 24", as size matters !!!

(still optional)
NZXT Source 210 Elite

graphics card, get Gigabyte HD7750
(thinking to first test / try onboard graphics, as i will be doin only 2D)

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
if i will buy amd then will go for it.
(can it handle a bit dusty environment? is it easy cleanable?? )

do i need Corsair Hydro Series H40 Liquid CPU Cooler ??

 

[aadishvaar]

Guys Plz reply,

 

[whitestar_999]

if you are getting a "k" series processor then you also have to get z68 mobo.if you are getting H67 mobo then buying "k" series processor is a waste of money.
"k"series+z68=overclock
"k"series+h67=no overclock
"non-k"+z68=no overclock

regarding gigabyte card first confirm whether they are supported by gigabyte india(someone posted gigabyte taiwan is marketing these cards here)because if it is not so then for any after sales support you have to directly contact the dealer which then will contact gigabyte taiwan(more hassle & waiting period).
*www.thinkdigit.com/forum/pc-compon...re-price-list-spec-sheet-175.html#post1598749

 

[aadishvaar]

should i go for i5 2320 or i5 2500 as i cant find much diff. in speed (0.3ghz)
& if i want to use on board display HD3000 then only i5 2500K is the only option (to try first, & if it fails to my satisfaction level will go for a display card)

i dont want to OC, dont know the diff btw HD3000 & HD2000

Compare Intel® Products

there is no onboard display in the motherboar supports 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processor !!!

 

[Ishu Gupta]

HD3000 is 33% faster than HD2000. Or HD2000 is 25% slower.

The regular 2500's graphics are a notch below the 2500K's - HD 2000 vs. HD 3000 - and as a rule of thumb, one should expect about 25 per cent less performance in 3D tasks. Coming in at the same power-draw of 95W TDP, you give up explicit overclocking and a reasonable dollop of graphics performance for a scant $10 reduction in price.
Review: Intel vs. Intel - four Core i5 2500 chips go head-to-head - CPU - HEXUS.net

SMC international prices
2500k - 13250
2500 - 13150
Difference = Rs 100
Waste of money?? Could be

BTW Today I got the exact same cooler you are looking at (CM212 Evo). Decreased stress temps by 25C (75-80 to 50-55).

 

[whitestar_999]

using intel onboard graphics is not recommended for photoshop especially when using OpenGL.
Adobe Forums: Photoshop CS5 Qualified Graphic Cards

So, regarding how well Photoshop is going to work with an Intel GPU... I can only guess that Adobe has already had to work around many of the problems I saw, but there are advanced operations that I could never get to work on Intel-based systems, and like Adobe, I had to implement several OpenGL "modes" to compensate. So you might find that Photoshop will only run in Basic OpenGL mode, if it enables OpenGL at all, with an Intel GPU. And it might just be less stable over long-term use.

frankly speaking currently i do not trust intel onboard graphics even for video(current sandybridge & earlier core i onboard graphics can not correctly output 23.976/23.978 fps which i find irritating).

 

[Ishu Gupta]

2 posts down, same guy

For all I know Photoshop may actually work marvelously on a Sandy Bridge GPU using Intel's latest drivers. But I wouldn't bet on it just yet. Once bitten, twice shy.

Tested video cards | Photoshop CS5
Its supported.

GPU and OpenGL features and preferences | Photoshop and Bridge | CS5, CS4

hd3000 supports OpenGL upto 3.1. 3.2 is possible but not yet supported.

Up to the OP.

 

[whitestar_999]

i don't trust intel especially if they can't even get the outputting correct fps right.all sandybridge & earlier core i processors can not correctly output 23.976/23.978 fps.
AnandTech - The Sandy Bridge Review: Intel Core i7-2600K, i5-2500K and Core i3-2100 Tested

anyway it is not advisable to depend on onboard graphics for serious/professional use whether it is simply movie watching(as already mentioned above)or professional video/photo editing.

 

[aadishvaar]

Now after all this discussions, i am thinking (more confused) if i can higher my budget by 10K & go for a "all in one Mac" aprox 21.5 or 24" costs around 65K. it runs bith mac os & windows. will have to see that all my files & apps will work well & how much keyboard buttons (alt & crtl) works with apple's keys. & single button mouse & two button mouse also. if anyone have any idea or running mac & pc both (will be highly helpfull if from print design field) will my pc files will work on mac ?? (specially photoshop files from pc to photoshop running on a mac in mac mode) still cant decide

 

[whitestar_999]

why mac?most people run photoshop without any problems on windows not to mention that mac comes at a premium because of brand name.for similar cost one will most probably get better hardware.core i5+a decent graphics card(costing ~5000)+8gb ram is more than enough for photoshop.

 

[aadishvaar]

i want to go for 2nd gen i5, now when i was thinking for 2500k (reco by ishu) & z68 mobo, then i came to know that it is not 2nd gen i5, now thinking for what to do
(i dont mind to buy an discrit GPU) but then also there is no onboard display.

 

[Ishu Gupta]

i want to go for 2nd gen i5, now when i was thinking for 2500k (reco by ishu) & z68 mobo, then i came to know that it is not 2nd gen i5, now thinking for what to do
(i dont mind to buy an discrit GPU) but then also there is no onboard display.

2500k IS a second gen i5.

And on Z68 you do get onboard graphics.

 

[skeletor]

i want to go for 2nd gen i5, now when i was thinking for 2500k (reco by ishu) & z68 mobo, then i came to know that it is not 2nd gen i5, now thinking for what to do

lol what?

 

[coderunknown]

i want to go for 2nd gen i5, now when i was thinking for 2500k (reco by ishu) & z68 mobo, then i came to know that it is not 2nd gen i5, now thinking for what to do
(i dont mind to buy an discrit GPU) but then also there is no onboard display.

before you post anything else, please do your homework. google a bit about Sandy Bridge. read a review or two. have your doubts cleared. else we can't help if someone points to an A-star & calls it Maruti 800

 

[aadishvaar]

My dear pros,
i was on intel's site & searching for a Mobo based on z68, now i was on below page

Intel® Processors and Boards Compatibility Tool - Search Results Page

where they have two parts on i5 among many...
1) 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processors
2) Intel® Core™ i5 Desktop Processor

now my finalized processor i5 2500k is listed in the second part, ie not in 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processors, so now as a not highly techy like you pros, i assumed it is not a 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processor.

Now thnx to you all my friends, i am now aware that it is " A 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i5 Processor "

and now i think i will go for Asus P8Z64 V PRO GEN 3 Mobo, if you have any other better / latest mobo in asus or intel (i like this two only ) plz suggest.

And once again thnx to, Ishu Gupta, ico & Sam
for being kind enough to point out my mistake & correct it.

p.s. : i have finalize the monitor also : U2412M from Dell.

so i think by this end of the week, i will be start getting most parts Not to forgetting - with your help & guidance.

before you post anything else, please do your homework. google a bit about Sandy Bridge. read a review or two. have your doubts cleared. else we can't help if someone points to an A-star & calls it Maruti 800

Bro, it was like a shock for me, so i just posted without any research, sorry & thnx.

P.S.
is Z77 chipset is better (for my use ??)
is Asrock has good products ??