New Gaming Rig - Lots of Help Needed

[SenthilAnandh]

Guys
I really enjoyed that debate. But dont make it personal.
I totally agree with you guys.
ultimategpu are right phenom 9950 is good in multitasking compared to core2duo.
desibond and hellgate you are also right. Intel is now good and it will beat the hell out of AMD .
Nehalem is nowhere near AMD phenom in comparison. And C2Q9550 is the best. But at what price? Nehalem will be around 20k (Total rig may take you around 80k). C2Q is around 17k(with hd 4870 it may take you to 70k). Both are not affordable by me as long as it is above 55k.
Never compare intel and AMD rig in performance wise alone guys. Please compare it in budget and performace wise. Within 55k, how much can i get in intel rig and how much can i get in amd rig. Thats what i am trying to find guys.
How does and 55k intel rig and 55k amd rig will match against each other in gaming and multitasking. Which is good, futureproof and has good value for money at 55k.

ultimategpu's Rig
AMD PHENOM 9950 -> 9K
BIOSTAR TA790GX -->5.5K
2 X HD4850(paliT) --> 9.7K for each IT MEANS 19K
500 GB SEAGATE -->2.8K
2 X 2GB OF RAM 800MHZ -->3.6 K
VIEWSONIC 22" TFT VX2260wm ---> 12K
LOGITECH MOUSE/KEYBOARD --->Rs700/-
COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER 600 WATTS --->3.5K
ZEBRONICS REAPER -->2K
Total 58k

desiibond's Rig
Q9300: 13k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR Crossfire X board: 8k
RAM : 2xKingston 2Gb DDR2 800: 3k
GPU: Palit HD4850 : 9.5k
HDD: Seagate sata2 500GB with 32MB buffer: 3.5k
Cooler master Elite330 cabinet: 1.6k
Cooler master Extreme Power 500W : 2.5k
Logitech k/b and mouse: 1k
Dell 228WFP: 15k
Tech-Com internal tv tuner card: 700/-
total 58k

I just want to know how these two rig's will match each other in gaming and multi tasking.

In my sense future proof means, suppose if I have 4GB, 500 GB HD, one hd4870 means and some processor, then in future I should be able to upgrade it to 8Gb, 1Tb, two Hd4870 and some powerful processors (not all at same time,but down the line i should be able to do it).

Which platform can do this, Intel or AMD
Guys 55k is a large amount for me, so only I am trying to get much out of my money. No offence guys.

Thanks guys.
Cheers

and if you want future proof, get this one:

*www.top500.org/system/9485

YES, If the cost is 55k

 

[furious_gamer]

^^ In both the platform u upgrade as u need, but AFAIK Intel has some advantage over AMD... And the AMD rig mentioned by u was easily beaten by Intel rig in all concern and if u wish u can add another HD4870 along with this and it beat the AMD hell out of the competition...

So i suggest u the Intel rig as of now, coz now in Market Intel hands up and AMD always like keep their hands down when come to proccessors....

P.S : I am not a fanboi of Intel...

 

[comp@ddict]

ultimategpu's Rig
AMD PHENOM 9950 -> 9K
BIOSTAR TA790GX -->5.5K
2 X HD4850(paliT) --> 9.7K for each IT MEANS 19K
500 GB SEAGATE -->2.8K
2 X 2GB OF RAM 800MHZ -->3.6 K
VIEWSONIC 22" TFT VX2260wm ---> 12K
LOGITECH MOUSE/KEYBOARD --->Rs700/-
COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER 600 WATTS --->3.5K
ZEBRONICS REAPER -->2K
Total 58k

desiibond's Rig
Q9300: 13k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR Crossfire X board: 8k
RAM : 2xKingston 2Gb DDR2 800: 3k
GPU: Palit HD4850 : 9.5k
HDD: Seagate sata2 500GB with 32MB buffer: 3.5k
Cooler master Elite330 cabinet: 1.6k
Cooler master Extreme Power 500W : 2.5k
Logitech k/b and mouse: 1k
Dell 228WFP: 15k
Tech-Com internal tv tuner card: 700/-
total 58k

I just want to know how these two rig's will match each other in gaming and multi tasking.

In my sense future proof means, suppose if I have 4GB, 500 GB HD, one hd4870 means and some processor, then in future I should be able to upgrade it to 8Gb, 1Tb, two Hd4870 and some powerful processors (not all at same time,but down the line i should be able to do it).

Well, you won't be able to upgrade to any powerful processors, cuz no other power-processor which shall be supported by this socket motherboard will be released by INTEL in the future.

Your best bet is to save up for 2 months let's say 65k total, c'mon from 58k, save 7k in 2-3 months, and then get a sweet NEHALEM rig, which in true terms is a PERFORMER, and as far as I can interpret, FUTUREPROOF!

 

[desiibond]

first and foremost

9950 cost is 11k
BIOSTAR TA790GX is not a stable performer
VIEWSONIC 22" TFT VX2260wm no match before 228WFP

If I get the pricing right. Even if I get 2xHD4850 for Intel setup, the price difference will be 5k at the max if you stick to Biostart mobo that's worth nothing. And that 5k is worth it.

2k extra for processor
2.5k extra for mobo. Rest will be the same.
Get a 13k Display.

Well, you won't be able to upgrade to any powerful processors, cuz no other power-processor which shall be supported by this socket motherboard will be released by INTEL in the future.

Your best bet is to save up for 2 months let's say 65k total, c'mon from 58k, save 7k in 2-3 months, and then get a sweet NEHALEM rig, which in true terms is a PERFORMER, and as far as I can interpret, FUTUREPROOF!

Best advice you can get.

Trustedreviews gave 5/10 for the biostar mobo: *www.trustedreviews.com/motherboards/review/2008/09/04/Biostar-TA790GX-A2-/p1

Even here, it lags behind Gigabyte mobo. *my.ocworkbench.com/2008/biostar/TA790GX-A2+/b2.htm

For the same chipset, gigabyte mobo gives better fps in gaming.

 

[SenthilAnandh]

Well, you won't be able to upgrade to any powerful processors, cuz no other power-processor which shall be supported by this socket motherboard will be released by INTEL in the future.

Your best bet is to save up for 2 months let's say 65k total, c'mon from 58k, save 7k in 2-3 months, and then get a sweet NEHALEM rig, which in true terms is a PERFORMER, and as far as I can interpret, FUTUREPROOF!

I am going to buy this rig in loan only, SO i have to stick to 55k. Do you think a nehalem rig will cost you only 65k. Cos I dont think so

 

[desiibond]

Q9300: 13k
MSI P45 Neo F: 5.5k
RAM : 2xKingston 2Gb DDR2 800: 3k
GPU: Palit HD4870 : 17k or GTX 260 Build 216 for 19k
HDD: Seagate sata2 500GB with 32MB buffer: 3.5k
Cooler master Elite330 cabinet: 1.6k
Cooler master Extreme Power 500W : 2.5k
Logitech k/b and mouse: 1k
Samsung T200 : 11k-12k (Screen Size : 50.8cm (20) Wide, Resolution : 1680 x 1050, Contrast Ratio : DC 20,000:1 (1,000:1) (Typ.), Response time : 2ms (GTG))
Tech-Com internal tv tuner card: 700/-
total 58k-60k

 

[hellgate]

+1 for the above config by desiibond.

@SenthilAnandh if u still wanna reduce costs further from the above config the get a E8400/Q6600.sud reduce the cost by 5.5/3.5k resp.

 

[ultimategpu]

I am going to buy this rig in loan only, SO i have to stick to 55k. Do you think a nehalem rig will cost you only 65k. Cos I dont think so

Nehalem proc are starts at 18k+tax.....

@senthil

If u r spending 11k for AMD phenom 9950 is damn waste ,, i thought u said AMD x4 9950
costs 9k ,, so only i said the AMD rig VLM ,,


yes INTEL core2duo E8400 will be better in gaming go for ,, it will be worth on ur budget ,, dont get confused

then u can buy the HD 4870 (worth the value)

"Monitor" try to look for DELL than VIEWSONIC

 

[comp@ddict]

I am going to buy this rig in loan only, SO i have to stick to 55k. Do you think a nehalem rig will cost you only 65k. Cos I dont think so

What 15k procc
15k mobo
7k RAM
10k monitor
8k cabby + PSU + kbd/mouse + speakers

^^55k
Get a gpu for 10k and tada 65k, but if u wait for 2-3 months the prices MIGHT BE LIKE THIS

13k procc
12k mobo

so, xtra 5k saved already, and once ppl start buying ddr3, it's cost shall fall, say
6k

so, 6k down in total to 49k, add gfx card for 16k and 65k tada.

 

[hellgate]

@SenthilAnandh if u wanna buy 2nd hand then i'll be selling my E8400 + abit IP35-E + CoolerMaster Hyper 48 after i buy my Core i7 920 based rig this December.

Offtopic:
When is Core i7 xpected to hit the Indian market?
also wud 50-60k be enuf for Core i7 920 + Asus P6T/MSI X58 Eclipse + 3*1GB DDR3 (triple ch kit) + 22-24" lcd.and if something remains from that may be i wud like to add another HD 4870 and create a CF.

 

[desiibond]

^^No. You need to pay 60k for

920+X58 Eclipse+HD4870

 

[upendra_gp]

well u can consider Acer monitors. I have a 19" and it is really good games as well as HD content looks stunning on it. also Phenom causes poblem with some games. my friend has it and he has to download patches literally everytime he wants to play a new game. but he bought it when it was launched i think the issue will be sorted out till now. but check for that also.

 

[hellgate]

^^No. You need to pay 60k for

920+X58 Eclipse+HD4870

Then wats the xpected budget that i sud hav for 920 + X58 Eclipse + 3*1GB DDR3 + HD 4870 + 22-24" lcd (i'm using a 22" lcd which i got from my vendor as standby.its a LG L224WS,costs 11.5k,has only dsub.pic quality is gr8.)?

 

[desiibond]

AFAIK, it's not phenom that causes problem for games. It's the ATI drivers.

Then wats the xpected budget that i sud hav for 920 + X58 Eclipse + 3*1GB DDR3 + HD 4870 + 22-24" lcd (i'm using a 22" lcd which i got from my vendor as standby.its a LG L224WS,costs 11.5k,has only dsub.pic quality is gr8.)?

You need to be a lakhpati

80k-90k

Here is what I expect the price to be:

i7 920: 18k (expected retail price to be 315$)
MSI X58 Eclipse: 22k-25k
3x2gB DDR3 Kit: 10k-12k

Here comes the news of the day!!!

HD4850 X2 outperforms GTX280

*www.overclock3d.net/news.php?/gpu_displays/amd_claims_hd4850_x2_beats_gtx280/1

Going to retail for 400$ in the USA.

*www.techtrance.net/2008/11/reviews/sapphire-hd-4850x2-reviewed/

Final Verdict:

The new ATi baby doesn’t fall much behind the world’s fastest card HD4870X2 but it indeed performs better than any other card in that price range with price of USD419, it even beats the GTX280 & HD4870X2 at some points. When it comes to power consumption, the card does eat some watts but it is sure better value than nVidia hotrod GTX280. ATi was targeting this card to beat nVidia high baby GTX 280 & ATi has done some homework making this card to burn envies.


so, There is no need to go for CF enabled boards. Go for the MSI P45 Neo-F and then add this monster card.

 

[hellgate]

You need to be a lakhpati

80k-90k

Here is what I expect the price to be:

i7 920: 18k (expected retail price to be 315$)
MSI X58 Eclipse: 22k-25k
3x2gB DDR3 Kit: 10k-12k

the total 4 these 3 comes to 43k.i'll be able to manage another 30k.
the hardware from my current rig that i'll be using:
psu,gfx card,hdds,odds,ups,kbd & mouse,spkr,tuner card,snd card.
so i think i'll be able to manage a 920 based rig.

 

[desiibond]

ah. you already have HD4870. Yes, without effort you get it. And you can even go for i940

 

[myhotdog]

^^ In both the platform u upgrade as u need, but AFAIK Intel has some advantage over AMD... And the AMD rig mentioned by u was easily beaten by Intel rig in all concern and if u wish u can add another HD4870 along with this and it beat the AMD hell out of the competition...

So i suggest u the Intel rig as of now, coz now in Market Intel hands up and AMD always like keep their hands down when come to proccessors....

P.S : I am not a fanboi of Intel...

intel also beating amd in HIGH COST of CPU

 

[desiibond]

^^ huh.

btw, do you know that the aggressive pricing by AMD is actually hurting the company a lot because though they are selling lot of packs, they couldn't get much profit out of it. And if they increase pricing even by little amounts, they will be into Intel's pricing zone and that would mean their sales will decrease dramatically.

 

[comp@ddict]

Well, triple channel DDR3 is useless compared to dual channel

ANd u can get DDR3 2GB KITs @ 7k nowadays.

Well, Nehalem proccs shud hit India by December middie.

And by January, it's prices shud fall, infact u can get rebates at that moment, new year offers u see.

 

[MetalheadGautham]

If you want Gaming then Dual Core is the way to go for the next one year. Otherwise, you can get a Quad Core and overclock it. Intel beats AMD hands down at gaming. So I seriously recommend Intel here.

And Intel Core2Duo would not be obsoleted for a long time, because Corei7 Dual Cores won't come for another year. So you only get Core2 Dual cores till then.

Don't buy anything till christmas price cuts by intel.

I suggest you invest in a basic rig now. Get a P31 based motherboard for 2.5K if you want a cheap OC. Else get Biostar iTower P45 which is the best OC board.

For CPU, I strongly recommend overclocking, because that would go a long way into making the PC better at gaming.

You might want to invest 2K for a strong air cooler. It would be worth it, since long gaming hours put a lot of stress on the CPU.

Don't be afraid to go till 3.5GHz. 4GHz is easy on C2D.

If you go for Quad Core, I suggest you give Core2Quad Q8200 a shot. Its priced at 9K and reviews put it as one heck of an overclocker. Perhaps you can make 3.5GHz with it. It would be really VFM. This would be a future proof option, and if you get a GPU like HD4850X2, this may make a lot of sense since that GPU would become more strong in 2009 with improved CrossFireX drivers and all games would then be Quad Core Optimised. Also, Quad Core means more threads, so your non gaming tasks and multitasking would get a boost.

For dual core, get E8200 or E8400. Both are really VFM at around 7.5K. OC them to 4GHz. Its easily done even on P31 thanks to Penryn's high scalability. But for 5GHz, you may need P45.

2+2 Dual Channel DDR2 1066MHz RAM is what I recommend for such a rig.

HD4870 would be an awesome GPU, but I also suggest you to take a look at HD4850X2 if it comes at 20K, where it would be the best Graphics Card ever in your budget.