New Gaming Rig - Lots of Help Needed

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desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
dude say

that COREi7 is LGA775 socket ????

with in two years 2006 to 2008 how much processor does intel rapidly introduced ???

IN those two years that Intel sticked to LGA775, here are the changes from AMD

Sockert 754
socket 939
socket AM2
socket am2+.
Only AM2+ is backward compatible with AM2

And if you think that AM2 is future proof, take a break.

AMD is moving to AM3 with support for DD3 in Summer 2009. So, stop giving the bullshit that AMD rig is future proof for 2years and have no scope for upgrade.

As it stand now, Nehalem has the best option in this aspect. It's a new socket that is already released and will be in market in few weeks and it is the one that Intel is going to use for next few architectures taking it to atleast 2010/2011.

Intel brought in lot of changes that rocked the industry and AMD. Thanks to them, PC's were able to cope up with gaming industry. If Intel released better processors regularly, that's called agression.

you ll say that INTEL will not introduce any other processor on various socket for 1 year ???
Forget about 1year. They are going to use same socket LGA1366] for next two architectures atleast. That means once you upgrade to nehalem, you are safe. Unlike AMD that has to change their socket for Bulldozer a.k.a Fusion platform.

Check the price for CORE2QUAD Q9550 --------> 18k [superb how much days it ll worth for gaming]

CRYSIS & COD4 [FPS] on 1280*1024 @ all very high with HD4870 (minimun fps)

crysis FPS

AMD phenom 9950 --->31

core2duoE8500 --->40

core2quad q9550 ---->36

COD4

AMD phenom 9950 --->61

core2duoE8500 --->73

core2quad q9550 ---->69
Ah. What a lame comparision. Can you please provide the link from where you got this results. I would have to show that guy how to use E8500 coz he apparently don't know how to do that. Moreover, everyone is shouting gaga that games are not yet fully utilized by game developers. I showed you earlier the power that Q9300 has over 9950 BE in video rendering and encoding/decoding.

In Video rendering, you will find that 9950 stands nowhere near to Q9550. If you really want gaming, chec kthose tests comparing E8400 with 9950BE. 9550 will be kicked out of the arena with minimal effort.

Enter Nehalem, game developers will now start utilizing all four cores. And then, believe me my friend, Q9550, Q9300, i7 will be on a whole new level when compared to 9950 BE.

PS: my processor is AMD 3000+ and my GPU is 2600XT but I do know that AMD stands nowhere near to Intel even if they consider their fastest CPU. They are for budget conscious buyers and certinaly not for hardcore games with good budget.


either you have no idea about microprocessor market or you are just searching for reasons to support Quad cores.



i AM not an AMD fanguy ,,, k ,, but worth for money i am saying AMD phenom 9950 is final edition available quad cores in the market ,, that means it has some thing little to do for multitasking
... PENTIUM 4 is processor which is sold out in the market for 3 years , were INTEL did not introduce any upgrade to PENTIUM 4
That is because for two years, Intel struggled to design a microarchitecture that could give them advantage and they had to stick to P4 till that time.

It's not sold out in market for 3years dude. It was sold and that was the time when AMD made lot of gain in market share.
AMD phenom 9850 black edition is really electric stove ,,, emits lots of heat so that u could have problem---

@desiibond

dude ,, say him that any processor which beats AMD phenom 9950 with in the cost of 9k???? as on quad core


dude never underestimate the AMD rigs ,,,

I don't know from where you got those stupid benchmarks or did you search for a site that shows no difference between AMD and Intel rigs/

*www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-371-4.htm
*www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3756681__9
*www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1365&pageID=5469
*www.legitreviews.com/article/735/5/

Check any VALID review and you will find lot of difference in speed, be it gaming or video/audio rendering.


PS: why am I trying to argue that Intel has clear advantage?? Every sane techie on earth is aware of this hard cold fact that they have the performance crown.
 
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furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
Just stop the debate and try to help the thread_starter.... If u want a debate then juz start a new thread and discuss there... No hard feelings there ye..

Heres the config
Q9300 - 13.8k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR - 8.3k / ASUS P5Q - 8.1k..(May be u get MSI P45 Neo F for 6k instead of the both to save 2k on Mobo)
2x2GB DDR2 - 3.4k
WD 640GB - 4k
ViewSonic 22" 2226W - 11k
Palit HD4850 - 9.5k
CM EP500W - 2.3k
Zebronics Cabinet - 1.3k
Logitech Combo - 0.9k

Total 55k.....

Did i miss anything?

Yes, a Altec Lansing BXR1121 - 1.2k
Samsung DVD RW - 1.1k

So total - 57.3k

Sorry for exceeding ur budget limit...
 

ultimategpu

AMD & ATI FANBOY
Just stop the debate and try to help the thread_starter.... If u want a debate then juz start a new thread and discuss there... No hard feelings there ye..

Heres the config
Q9300 - 13.8k
MSI P45 Neo2 FR - 8.3k / ASUS P5Q - 8.1k..(May be u get MSI P45 Neo F for 6k instead of the both to save 2k on Mobo)
2x2GB DDR2 - 3.4k
WD 640GB - 4k
ViewSonic 22" 2226W - 11k
Palit HD4850 - 9.5k
CM EP500W - 2.3k
Zebronics Cabinet - 1.3k
Logitech Combo - 0.9k

Total 55k.....

Did i miss anything?

Yes, a Altec Lansing BXR1121 - 1.2k
Samsung DVD RW - 1.1k

So total - 57.3k

Sorry for exceeding ur budget limit...


Raj"
he is asking for HD4870 k ... say for that
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
^^ Juz stick with this config and save some money, get HD4870 later.... coz he ask for a AMD+HD4870 or Intel+HD4850... I give him the second option...
BTW the config i mention is somewhat reasonable interms of performance.. at least i hope so...
 

ultimategpu

AMD & ATI FANBOY
He cant afford HD4870 + Quad Core if he choose Intel Rig..coz the proccy itself costs 13k,Mobo for around 8k and so on....If he wish to buy HD4870, he will sacrifice some items like get MSI P45 Neo F instead of what i suggested and get Q6600 instead of Q9300..which reduce about 6k overall.... And now he can able to get HD4870.....


Tell me this ,,

comparing to INTEL core2quad q6600 , AMD phenom 9950 is good or not ???
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
^^ What kinda question is that ... BTW i haven't read any reviews comparing these two and if i find something, i'll tell u...

Is Q6600 is direct competition for AMD 9550..:shock:. I dont think so...

Did u compare Celeron with AMD 5000+? ... The question u ask is like this..
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
^^ Arey bhai, got bored of hearing the same thing from you.

Q6600 is history. Want to compare 9950, compare it with Q9300 or E8400

huh.
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
No more debate...
@ultimate_gpu....
AFAIK Q6600 is aint the direct competiton for 9550... The Q6600 was a best VFM Quad Core IMO....
May be the 9550 was compared with Q9300 and if so, then Q9300 was a best proccy then...
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
Even now, Q9300 is one heck of a processor and is ready to take the VFM crown once Nehalem hits mass market.

Get Q9300 and if after few months, you feel slowness in games, do little overclocking..

And once you get the optimal overclocking level, it's just opens up. Don't think that taking this processor to 3.5GHz is dangerous. The architecture Yorkfiels can scale up to 4GHz.

* Core 2 Extreme QX9770 - 3.2 GHz (2x6 MB L2, 1600 MHz FSB)
* Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - 3 GHz (2x6 MB L2, 1333 MHz FSB)
* Core 2 Quad Q9550 - 2.83 GHz (2x6 MB L2, 1333 MHz FSB)
* Core 2 Quad Q9450 - 2.66 GHz (2x6 MB L2, 1333 MHz FSB)
* Core 2 Quad Q9300 - 2.5 GHz (2x3 MB L2, 1333 MHz FSB)
* Core 2 Quad Q8200 - 2.33 GHz (2x2 MB L2, 1333 MHz FSB)

There isn't any difference between these except for speed and cache size. You can easily clock Q9300 at 3.3-3.5GHz on stock cooling and get amazing improvements in performance. AND I DO MEAN IT.

I already told him, that Q6600 isn't a direct competeion for 9550..

before I clearly explained why AMD is lagging behind and what is making Intel core 2 processors run so fast and what to do, he never understands!!!!
 
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ultimategpu

AMD & ATI FANBOY
check out the gaming performance of ---------... of AMD phenom 9950


*www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3344&p=15
 

utsav

damn busy...
dude say

that COREi7 is LGA775 socket ????

with in two years 2006 to 2008 how much processor does intel rapidly introduced ???


you ll say that INTEL will not introduce any other processor on various socket for 1 year ???

Check the price for CORE2QUAD Q9550 --------> 18k [superb how much days it ll worth for gaming]

CRYSIS & COD4 [FPS] on 1280*1024 @ all very high with HD4870 (minimun fps)

crysis FPS

AMD phenom 9950 --->31

core2duoE8500 --->40

core2quad q9550 ---->36

COD4

AMD phenom 9950 --->61

core2duoE8500 --->73

core2quad q9550 ---->69


for 6 to 7 FPS more AMD phenom 9950 ,, to u have to pay double the amount for Q9550

i AM not an AMD fanguy ,,, k ,, but worth for money i am saying AMD phenom 9950 is final edition available quad cores in the market ,, that means it has some thing little to do for multitasking


... PENTIUM 4 is processor which is sold out in the market for 3 years , were INTEL did not introduce any upgrade to PENTIUM 4


AMD phenom 9850 black edition is really electric stove ,,, emits lots of heat so that u could have problem---


@desiibond

dude ,, say him that any processor which beats AMD phenom 9950 with in the cost of 9k???? as on quad core


dude never underestimate the AMD rigs ,,,








u seriously need some computer and GRAMMAR classes :D
 

ultimategpu

AMD & ATI FANBOY
I am not going to make this debate more and more ....

ok i agree ,,, that

E8400 is good for gaming ... i know that ok ,,

but i am telling that if he needs HD 4870 for 55k ,,, then i say he should go with AMD phenom 9950

if he is going to HD4850 then ,, as Rajkumar config is better --

i agree ,,, cool dude
 

furious_gamer

Excessive happiness
^^ Even in the link u gave, 9550 is behind Q9300 and even E8400 which is just a C2D... and its just ~1 FPS greater than Q6600.. and in Unreal Q6600 is at second place and 9550 is at bottom...So what do u think now..
Even a C2D and low level C2Q will beat 9550 in terms of gaming and dont start such a lame argument...
Just stop this here....
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
u seriously need some computer and GRAMMAR classes :D

ROFLMAO. True. very very true. ;)

^^ Even in the link u gave, 9550 is behind Q9300 and even E8400 which is just a C2D... and its just ~1 FPS greater than Q6600.. and in Unreal Q6600 is at second place and 9550 is at bottom...So what do u think now..
Even a C2D and low level C2Q will beat 9550 in terms of gaming and dont start such a lame argument...
Just stop this here....

Dude, he actually meant 9950 Black Edition and not 9550

E8400 - 8k - 8.5k
Q9300 - 13k -13.5k
Q9400 - 14k (12MB cache and 2.83GHz). This one's a stunner. Hence I would suggest to go for Q9400 if you can.

If gaming is your ultimate requirement, go for E8400+HD4870
 
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