Need a budget gaming PC - Here are my thoughts

[ParaXite]

Guys guys...ill make this easier...

Will an i5 3470 be sufficient? Can i cheap out on the motherboard (its locked)? Suggest me a good motherboard for the i5 3740 (as cheap as possible) and no I wont be buying an ssd in the future, ill just get a 320 gb hard drive.

My Build:
i5 3470 Quad Core 3.2 GHz - $185
GTX 650 Ti Boost - $169
Corsair Vengeance 4 GB - $35
Corsair CX430 V2 PSU - $45 (Is there a cheaper alternative?)
Motherboard - $45 (~2500) (Suggest me one)
Case - $30 (Suggest me one)

Ill use my old hard drive for now (dont care about the load times) Will upgrade in a month or two when I have cash to spare.

 

[Nerevarine]

^Yes, i5 3470 will own almost everything from AMD right now
get any B75 mobo of ur choice (the cheapest one)
If You are NEVER gonna use USB3.0 or SATA 3 or higher Mhz RAM, get an H61 Mobo to cut costs

Crysis is always a lot ahead of the curve. Even hd 7970/ gtx 680 cant max it, so does this mean anything less than their cf/sli is waste? Nobody has seen the future, ppl started telling that games would go multithreaded in 2008 and now we are in 2012 and except crysis 3 no other game is ill suited for dual cores ( battlefield's only online component pushes i3 but its still playable) and gta 5 willrun on i3 easy peasy I bet. The truth is fx are very good at apps, but arent at games. No site publically advises fx for gaming, thats why i3 is recommended over fx 6300 at toms monthly cpu chart and not even one fx is recommended.
I did not start this flame war, and you cant contradict the PRESENT facts and no one has seen the future.
Op does not have a budget for fx 6300 so he asked is i3 alright, and yes its alright. All of you started bashing my comment for no reason. And if you think any fx is over i3 in a cumulative fps score over more than 10 games PROVE IT

Crysis is always a lot ahead of the curve. No site publically advises any fx for gaming. If you can get i5 get it else i3 kills everything else in GAMING.
I have prooved my point enough times can you proove yours. People are saying that games will go multithreaded since 2008 and now we are in 13. Leaving crysis 3 in no other game can a fx beat i3 at fhd resolution. Truth is fx hardly have 75% single threaded performance of ivy.
I can bet gta 5 will run just fine on I3 or what will happen to i5 laptops??
And talk about the future. You call fx 8350 Unlocked lol! Its already on 4.2ghzand what you want to overclock it upto 5?? Most people wont go/ cant go over 4.7 and thats an overclock of. 5 ghz and every i5 is overclockable to. 4ghz.
Fx is good at multithreaded apps and op could not get a decent mobo in his budget
So I advised him i3 and I still stand on my statement. Get a cumulative score of 10 games and proove that fx is ahead.
And that is why tom still does not approve any fx but i3 and i5 That is why every piledriver fx and i3 are on same level in heirarchy chart. And did I mention that they take so much power that you could run 2 i3s and still have some power left.
Dont bash me for no reason, I did not start flame war, but you are making jokeof yourself @ashish65 as I specifically said i3=> fx8350 in GAMING ( EXCEPT CRYSIS 3 AND BF3 MULTIPLAYER LOL)

I dont have much experience but I have to agree..
However, the minor increase in performance of i3 can be easily overlooked by the addition of extra cores (provided pricing remains same)

*anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=697
No gaming benchmarks though... so cant say for certain
Besides, they are both at different price categories, so why compare ?

 

[ParaXite]

Ok ill go for the cheapest H61 Mobo for the i5 and a $30 Case then. I hope stock cooling will be sufficient.

P.S. Even though AMD FX Quad cores with high clock speeds are cheaper and sound better on paper, why is it that currently in single threaded games the i3 beats them? Why is an ordinary i5 far better than an octa core FX processor clocked at a higher frequency?

 

[Nerevarine]

better clockspeed/performance ratio i guess.. Intel did a really good job at this

 

[vaibhavs800]

Oh get the cheapest i5 you can get. They start around 170$ in us. If you arent gonna overclock cpu cut z77/68 boards out of you list and h77 will prob. Be to pricey so I will list down the features of b75 over h61 mobo
1) usb 3.0
2) 1 sata III (6 gbps port)
3) 1600mhz ram support
If you can ignore all three get h61 else get b75.

But still if I had to make a budget gaming pc it would have
I3-3220 130$
650ti-boost 1gb gddr5 150$
Corsair cx 430w
Wd blue 500gb
Nzxt source elite 210
Dell st 2240
Gigabyte b75 mobo
4x2gb corsair value select ram (1600mhz)
And maybe samsung 120gb 840 ( As once you have experienced ssd, you cant go back)

This rig will comfortably play on medium-high settings for 2years I guess.

Dont worry about i3, gpu outdate much faster than cpu.

650ti cant benefit from 2gb gddr5 mem as it doesnt have enough juice to dial up aa very high.

And this is the rig I am going to suggest any friend on budget.
total of cpu+mobo+gpu will come about 330-340$

 

[ParaXite]

Oh get the cheapest i5 you can get. They start around 170$ in us. If you arent gonna overclock cpu cut z77/68 boards out of you list and h77 will prob. Be to pricey so I will list down the features of b75 over h61 mobo
1) usb 3.0
2) 1 sata III (6 gbps port)
3) 1600mhz ram support
If you can ignore all three get h61 else get b75.

But still if I had to make a budget gaming pc it would have
I3-3220 130$
650ti-boost 1gb gddr5 150$
Corsair cx 430w
Wd blue 500gb
Nzxt source elite 210
Dell st 2240
Gigabyte b75 mobo
4x2gb corsair value select ram (1600mhz)
And maybe samsung 120gb 840 ( As once you have experienced ssd, you cant go back)

This rig will comfortably play on medium-high settings for 2years I guess.

Dont worry about i3, gpu outdate much faster than cpu.

650ti cant benefit from 2gb gddr5 mem as it doesnt have enough juice to dial up aa very high.

And this is the rig I am going to suggest any friend on budget.
total of cpu+mobo+gpu will come about 330-340$

Thanks, will go with the 1Gb card but with the i5.

Btw will Corsair VS450 be a good PSU? Can I swap it for the CX430 v2?

 

[vaibhavs800]

You cant even buy vs 450 in us as described by corsair its made for asian regions only. Get the cx 430.

Piledriver's ipc is even lower than phenom II's, what can you expect. Were phenom's were being made with 32nm tech, there additional frequency would have made them beating fx in games once again. They were a real charmer, regret not buying them at that time but they are still pretty close to i3/ fx 8350, beating almost anything else out there. And a true quad core, not like amd's 8core/ 4module marketing crap.

But amd can really make progression with their gpgpu tech, but they dont even have integrated gpu on fx lol.

Btw you can still get phenom II in us. Why dont you take a look on them. Theyaare under hundered dollars.

 

[The Incinerator]

Since its gaming rig primarily go with the Intel i5 3470. Had it been you had to some serious processing along with gaming then we would have safely suggested you an FX,its a no brainer.

Stick with a Corsair CX430V2.

 

[Cilus]

Guys, please concentrate on the topic rather than Intel and AMD's future. vaibhavs800, you don't have to show what AMD should do to make OP buy an Intel processor...you are too small to judge it.

OP, if you are going with an i5 then there is no problem, FX octa core or i5 both will do for you...just don't get a i3 or other dual cores. When games are becoming Multi-threaded then there is a chance that the next games will be multi-threaded. Because not all the games are build from scratch, they use some common and easily available Engine to build it and add their customization for the particular product. It is like having a common base framework to start the development and you can add, modify or remove features as per your requirements. Now when you implement high degree of Multi-threading in a gaming engine, all the games trhat will use that engine will have some level of multi-core optimization. Currently Frostbite 3, Cry Engine 3 or the Dunia Engine 2...all have good amount of Multi-threading support and any games based on those engine, can add optimized Multi-threading support. Crysis 3, Far Cry 3 or the Tomb Raider 2013 are example of it and they can't be considered some isolated games with multi core support...in upcoming games you can see a huge boost in performance with multiple cores available.

This is not just my opinion, just check the Best Processor for every month section in Tomshardware and you will find out that their thinking is same as I have expressed here.

 

[vaibhavs800]

Do you want to break his heart @ cilus??
I supported fx 6300 in the begining, but op couldnt spend so much on cpu+ mobo. We all know that low end am3+ mobo cant handle fx 6300 so He asked if i3 was okay, and I merely stated the obvious that right now its even faster than fx 8350 at gaming and he is good to go ( is it necessary we ask all to increase their budget or face dire consequences ). This triggered those reactions from some people you know and to justify my comments I backed up with various reputable links. And I specifically said GAMING again and again. Except 1-2 games i3 can handle all games currently and h61 mobo are quite stable. I was helping op till amd defenders entered and none of them can still proove that fx can beat i3 in a cumulative score over many games. 2 exceptions arent a trend.
I3<< fx 8350 in multithreaded apps but at the end of the day i3 > fx 8350 in gaming currently.
Anyway if one of you can see I really helped op in reaching a decision unlike all of you just starting flame wars. I never started this, but I can backup my every suggestion with proof

 

[ParaXite]

After a hard battle between amd fanboys and intel fanboys, ive probably made my choice. Im going to go for the i5 3470.

 

[Cilus]

There is no such battle, the way some members are trying to showcase it. The Incinerator, the so called AMD lover, also supported the fact of getting an i5 3470. And my post was to make you understand to get a Quad Core or higher end CPU instead of a Dual Core one...that's all..I didn't ask you to get a FX-8350...read my post again.

Anyway, the decision of getting an i5 3470 is perfectly fine as it can easily handle the need of Multi-threaded requirements of upcoming games.