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nads

Broken In
thx for ur recommendations guys...... i just came across this site http://ncomputing.com/Solutions/Howitworks.aspx what do u think of it inquired at lamington road n got the foll prices
Each thin client---4200
LCD mon-----4600
key+mouse----350

Server system..... the dealer said go for a quad n ddr2 n 1 TB HDD

please if any of u have used this type of system pls share ur ideas....

regards
 

Mike84

Broken In
Any one has any idea about the price and avaliability of laptop processors???

You can see my configuration in my sig.I have a 2 Gig proc without turbo. I want to get a faster C2D.. P9XXX or C2Q in Q9000 or Q9100. Not that i can complain about my current processor.. its giving me as good a service as i can expect :). Higher procs wont matter much in games as i guess my card would become bottle neck at that. So, inclined towards the Q9000 actually for quad support :)

What would be the price of these processors in Kolkata? .. if at all they can be bought separately...
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
thx for ur recommendations guys...... i just came across this site http://ncomputing.com/Solutions/Howitworks.aspx what do u think of it inquired at lamington road n got the foll prices
Each thin client---4200
LCD mon-----4600
key+mouse----350

Server system..... the dealer said go for a quad n ddr2 n 1 TB HDD

please if any of u have used this type of system pls share ur ideas....

regards

Thin clients and everything on server means that you need a network that can support the setup and man, you need a powerful server if there are going to be lot of thin clients. Distributed computing FTW!!!! :)
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Any one has any idea about the price and avaliability of laptop processors???

You can see my configuration in my sig.I have a 2 Gig proc without turbo. I want to get a faster C2D.. P9XXX or C2Q in Q9000 or Q9100. Not that i can complain about my current processor.. its giving me as good a service as i can expect :). Higher procs wont matter much in games as i guess my card would become bottle neck at that. So, inclined towards the Q9000 actually for quad support :)

What would be the price of these processors in Kolkata? .. if at all they can be bought separately...

hmm. I don't think mobile processors are sold separately and you do better leave the upgrade task to MSI. Check with them if they can upgrade your processor (which in most cases is not possible).
 
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nads

Broken In
Thin clients and everything on server means that you need a network that can support the setup and man, you need a powerful server if there are going to be lot of thin clients. Distributed computing FTW!!!! :smile:


yep i think it is very feasible i went to check today at lamington road n got the prices for the distrubuted computing for 11 users they have suggested intel quad 2.4 n above with 4 gigs of RAM....

i think i should go with this setup because i m pretty impressed with it because it is saving me intial cost of upto 75,000 plus the electricity bill will be a lot lower compared to each system having its own cpu n mobo setup.....

Now guys i need a very powerful system to support this 11 user load.... they have suggested intel quad 2.4 n above or the old phenom x4.....

now i have this spec in my mind (which u guys have to correct me n update me)
cpu----- i think i should go with a AMD Phenom II X4 ( the idea behind this is that a X6 phenom will be coming out soon so a year or 2 later will be able to upgrade to Phenom II X6)
mobo--- i need a durable motherboard with IGP u guys suggest, its should be 790 based mobo
RAM---- going for 2X2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM ( in future when RAM prices drop will increase it to 8 GB)
HDD----2X1TB u guys tell me which is gud since i will be putting it in RAID1
Case---- a gud roomy one not too expensive but with gud airflow
PSU---- please recommend a capable PSU for the same config

one more question is should i go with a graphic card or is the onboard 4000 series card is sufficient... i dont mind puuting in a low cost graphic card if it is putting load on the cpu cylces wanna keep the cpu as free as possible....

Guys pls suggest me asap cause i have to make a desicion fast n i dont mind going for an intel setup also (with quads or i7)... the main reason for going with AMD is that i will be needing that 6 core phenom..... ur views r invited...
thx
 

nads

Broken In
Thin clients and everything on server means that you need a network that can support the setup and man, you need a powerful server if there are going to be lot of thin clients. Distributed computing FTW!!!! :smile:


yep i think it is very feasible i went to check today at lamington road n got the prices for the distrubuted computing for 11 users they have suggested intel quad 2.4 n above with 4 gigs of RAM....

i think i should go with this setup because i m pretty impressed with it because it is saving me intial cost of upto 75,000 plus the electricity bill will be a lot lower compared to each system having its own cpu n mobo setup.....

Now guys i need a very powerful system to support this 11 user load.... they have suggested intel quad 2.4 n above or the old phenom x4.....

now i have this spec in my mind (which u guys have to correct me n update me)
cpu----- i think i should go with a AMD Phenom II X4 ( the idea behind this is that a X6 phenom will be coming out soon so a year or 2 later will be able to upgrade to Phenom II X6)
mobo--- i need a durable motherboard with IGP u guys suggest, its should be 790 based mobo
RAM---- going for 2X2GB 1333 DDR3 RAM ( in future when RAM prices drop will increase it to 8 GB)
HDD----2X1TB u guys tell me which is gud since i will be putting it in RAID1
Case---- a gud roomy one not too expensive but with gud airflow
PSU---- please recommend a capable PSU for the same config

one more question is should i go with a graphic card or is the onboard 4000 series card is sufficient... i dont mind puuting in a low cost graphic card if it is putting load on the cpu cylces wanna keep the cpu as free as possible....

Guys pls suggest me asap cause i have to make a desicion fast n i dont mind going for an intel setup also (with quads or i7)... the main reason for going with AMD is that i will be needing that 6 core phenom..... ur views r invited...
thx
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
For the central server, check these:

1) Dell PowerEdge T100 Tower server
2) HP ML110 G5 or G6 series
3) IBM System X series

These three are value servers targeting small and medium businesses. You can select from Intel core 2 duo to high end Xeon, normal SATA HDD to SAS storage :)
 

thunder.02dragon

Journeyman
IMO Go for GCard..9600GT will offload all the Graphics processing easily and not heavy on pocket..
Try get any server/Workstation Board...
X58 will and i7 as it is one time buy..along with TX750 minimum even HX1000 or such will be better as later you will observe the extra Power.
AMD PII X4 will also good in low budget but AMD based workstation board are rare to find.
4GB Rams are good but IMO if you get the i7 then opt for minimum 1GBx3 kit..
Cabby...
In low cost CM Gladiator will do/Lian Li K56/CM690..
Keep in mind to get a good airflow as your server will run 24x7 and on load 60-75% minimum.
Too tired to write..
Why I am saying this things if you want to be clarified I will tell, but do post here..
:D
However this is advice is not personal but practical situation too..
 

nads

Broken In
For the central server, check these:

1) Dell PowerEdge T100 Tower server
2) HP ML110 G5 or G6 series
3) IBM System X series

These three are value servers targeting small and medium businesses. You can select from Intel core 2 duo to high end Xeon, normal SATA HDD to SAS storage :)


Desiibond thx for ur reccomendations but i wont be doing any coding or softaware any sensitive data related work that i need a server with SAS storage, n xeon proccy.... it will be normal chaloo office work nothing much as i have put before for microsoft word n internet surfing....(internet surfing will be implemented in a later stage) n i guess these system will cost me a lot something like 50-80K anywhere if i configure it with a quad... so this is out of question... i will show u the math in a moment....

IMO Go for GCard..9600GT will offload all the Graphics processing easily and not heavy on pocket..
Try get any server/Workstation Board...
X58 will and i7 as it is one time buy..along with TX750 minimum even HX1000 or such will be better as later you will observe the extra Power.
AMD PII X4 will also good in low budget but AMD based workstation board are rare to find.
4GB Rams are good but IMO if you get the i7 then opt for minimum 1GBx3 kit..
Cabby...
In low cost CM Gladiator will do/Lian Li K56/CM690..
Keep in mind to get a good airflow as your server will run 24x7 and on load 60-75% minimum.
Too tired to write..
Why I am saying this things if you want to be clarified I will tell, but do post here..
:grin:
However this is advice is not personal but practical situation too..

@thunder.02dragon i was planning to go for the i7 but the cost is very very prohibitive the cost of the i7 n the X58 itself comes upto 25-30K n my budget for the server system is 30K.... ok now here i m jotting down the math for u guys to understand.... pls remember i need to save money but i need a sturdy system... As i have mentioned above the idea of going with AMD AM3 based chipset is to get future support for phenom II X6..... thats the only primary consideration....

http://www.ncomputing.com/
pls go to the above mentioned site n if u cant understand what i m talking about u can check there i m going for the X550 series which gives me 5 users per PCI card since i m looking for 11users i will have to install 2 PCI cards @5 users each.;... here is the exact cost breakup which i got yesterday from the dealer

X550 Sries (includes PCi card n 5 access device) each is costing me 15950/- X2Nos
LCD 16" monitor BenQ ----4800/- X 11Nos
Keyboard n mouse combo-----350/- X 11Nos
(prices r inclusive of VAT n all the bullshit to raise the prices)
Plus i have to add the cost of the server system which i will be building-----30000/-

total come upto 1,18,550/- plus i have to purchase CAT 6 cable for internal wiring

so in short i have a budget of 120K.... if i go for individual system (which i was planning) the cost goes upto 1.8Lacs plus the humongous electricity bill every month... so the saving is a lot n plus i have to place only the lcd n the access device (which can be mounted behind the monitor) n keyboard n mouse.....

so now u guys tell me what setup i have to go for the main server system cant go for the i7 its very costly i dont wanna go with a core2quad because the LGA 775 socket is gonna gooo soon(i need DDR3 mem n those core 2duo n quads r gonna be gone next year so no upgrade cycle)....

@thunder.02dragon i dont mind putting an graphic cards but it should be PCi powered n it should run cool.... i will first get the system without the graphic card n see its performance n if required i dont mind putting a new one :oops:
n yes the system wont be running 24X7 but only 9-6pm everyday but loads i have taken completely at 100% (to be safer)

guys pls pls pls help me make a decision m confused like anything.....

NB: @thunder.02dragon n yes i need pratical advice thats y i m speaking with u guys :oops:
 
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desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
Yes. you do not need a xeon and SAS and that is why I mentioned that the basic config comes with core2duo and SATA2 HDD.

anyways, prepare your config in a way that there is

1) 100Mhz processing power per user
2) 100MB of RAM per user
3) OS that can act as terminal server or thin client server. A windows 2008 Server or RH linux should be good for this.

Also, check this link: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server

my config for you is:

See if you can go for Phenom II X4 955 based setup or else look for Athlon II X4 620 based setup.
 

nads

Broken In
which will be better a phenom 2 or athlon 2 X4.... phenoms r gr8 for games with their L3 cache dunno0 how athlons will perform will be able to sabe 5-6K on my budget if i go with athlon.... what do u suggest desibond.....

if i m going with phenom then it will be PII x4 945@3.0Ghz
n if its athlon 2 X4 620 @2.6Ghz

what do u say?????
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
Thumb rule: Get the best that your money can buy :)

Go for the Phenom II X4. It is much better for multitasking and that is not just because of extra cache.
 

itisravishankar

tech master
which will be better a phenom 2 or athlon 2 X4.... phenoms r gr8 for games with their L3 cache dunno0 how athlons will perform will be able to sabe 5-6K on my budget if i go with athlon.... what do u suggest desibond.....

if i m going with phenom then it will be PII x4 945@3.0Ghz
n if its athlon 2 X4 620 @2.6Ghz

what do u say?????
Phenom II 945 is definitely superior. But be careful when you buy the product. Original model of 945 had 125W TDP and was very hot. A newer version has come out around 3 months ago which has 95W TDP.

But if you are planning to use a card <= ATI 4870/GTX 260 then slightly OCed 620 will do the job too.
 

nads

Broken In
Phenom II 945 is definitely superior. But be careful when you buy the product. Original model of 945 had 125W TDP and was very hot. A newer version has come out around 3 months ago which has 95W TDP.

But if you are planning to use a card <= ATI 4870/GTX 260 then slightly OCed 620 will do the job too.


is the pII x4 955BE TDP reduced to 95W too..... if yes pls let me know i have red that 965be tdp has been reduced from 140w to 125w pls enligthen me on the 955....

i will first see how the performance is without the graphic card n if needed will put one....

ok here is my final spec let me know if i m missing something or if i need to add anything...

proccy------AMD PHENOM X4 955BE@3.2Ghz
mobo-------Gigabyte MA785GMT-US2H
RAM---------Kinsgton DDR3@1333Mhz 2X2GB
HDD--------- 1TB WD @7200RPM WITH 32MB Cache
PSU---------- VIP 600W
Case--------- yet to decide
Cooler------- Sunbeam core contact freezer 120mm
LCD---------- My old viewsonic 1908wm
UPS--------- 600VA APC
 

desiibond

Bond, Desi Bond!
Don't think there will be a need for GPU. and yes, as Krow suggested, go for CM Real Power. VIP things are for non-important stuff and certainly not on a server serving thin clients :)

case: CM 690 and get another 120mm fan and get proper airflow.
 

nads

Broken In
ok will go with CM 450W dont wanna compromise......

n which phenom i should go with 945 or 955 there is a difference of 1k only (can use the proccy for myself once i replace the 955 with six core phenoms) suggestions????
 

Krow

Crowman
945 is 0.2 GHz slower and non BE. If not OCing, get 945. If yes, then 955. Make sure it is CM REAL Power 460W that you buy. Most dealers will try to sell you CM Extreme crap. :x

For a good dealer or two, look here www.primeabgb.com and www.theitwares.com

Both are @ Lamington and both are very good dealers with good knowledge. No babu type dealers here. :D
 
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