The Devil's Advocate
look man didnt want to turn it into a fight just a question that was in my mind and hence i posted it .... peace man dont issue a fatwa against me
Who's bashing ISLAM? Rather its those terrorists and ur maulvis and people like Bukhari of Jama Masjid who r mocking ISLAM by their (mis)deeds. U can say wateva to me personally, it doesn't matter. But if u don't like the reality then I feel sad for u. Instead of facing it, u r saying others r brainwashed? Its like an OS1 Vs OS2 war where people from both the sides keep shouting but nobody is bothered to understand each others viewpoint and hence 'repeating the history again n again'.Mate, I've had it with all this Islam bashing, but I don't even give a fsck anymore.
@Mediator: Like I said, brainwashed...
What more do u want to be done for the minority? They r already enjoying so many priviledges! Now if inspite of that if the minority needs something to be done specially for them then who can help them? Who knows tomorrow they'll ask for more! If anything is to be done then it is to be done by themselves. Like I said in previous debate many Muslims dont consider themselves as INDIANS today also but as Pakistanis, some give preference to religion over nation and people like Bukhari do politics more than preaching!But honestly, I'll tell you one thing...one can say "The liberals must get together and do something about the vocal minority"...but I ask you...HOW do you do that? How does anyone make a difference in a situation like this?
goobimama said:Islam as a religion is good. Amazing. Actually all religions are. Its just that some people use these texts to interpret it as something else.
After all, most of the 'killing' has been done in the name of religion, even though not even one religion professes it. That's why I've given up on religion...
mediator said:What more do u want to be done for the minority? They r already enjoying so many priviledges! Now if inspite of that if the minority needs something to be done specially for them then who can help them? Who knows tomorrow they'll ask for more! If anything is to be done then it is to be done by themselves. Like I said in previous debate many Muslims dont consider themselves as INDIANS today also but as Pakistanis, some give preference to religion over nation and people like Bukhari do politics more than preaching!
There was just a line said by POPE and we saw months of agitation by MUSLIMS all over in INDIA. Likewise why not stage peaceful protests and give a messege to Paki terrorists that INDIANS will not be fooled by their little tricks?
U say media always bashes Muslims. Where were u when media was showing the unity when there was MUMBAI blasts, delhi blasts, srinagar blasts etc?? Paki terrorists is not operating from pakistan alone. It has hotbeds in Bangladesh, NEPAL and even srilanka AFAIK covering the whole of INDIA. But what is INDIAN politicians saying? Singing the tune of friendship and donating money to the families of victim and ignoring the matter? It doesn't matter if u r a muslim or a hindu coz the whole of INDIA is their target!! Its not for me to 'preach' whats to be done, its to be decided by liberal muslims like u what can be done and discuss it with similar souls. People have to stop chosing religion over nation!!
Muslim mobs saying that Vande mataram is against ISLAM is not gonna help. Likewise sharia'h is against the ideals of democracy and equality to all!! I pity the ones who stage agitation and protests over for even the practise of Yoga and Vedas like ayurveda and vedic mathematics etc in skools, some saying that its against ISLAM or is UnIslamic. How do u describe this attitude of muslims who act like such retards??
Today's Hindus really dont give any heed to corrupt pandits who count money more than practising their work and speak incorrect mantras. Likewise Muslims have to ignore corrupt maulvis and Imams like Bukhari who has several cases registered against him!!
Recently I watched a TV news where Ustad Amjad Ali khan was telling how in Mosques inappropriate authorities are selected who dont even sing properly during the morning prayers etc!
So Tolerance and little rational approach is all needed! Muslims really need to understand the viewpoint of all the people even if someone criticises ISLAM irrationally. They have to act peacefully in such circumstances and have to stop chosing religion over the nation.
Thats for u to ponder and decide! Why is it happening and what shud be done to prevent it and to ponder over such things u have to be an INDIAN first, u have to think from the national point of view!faraaz said:I was asking what I should be doing to change the image of Islam dude, not asking for more privileges for minorities. If you read my other posts on the subject, you will find that I am strictly against any reservations for minorities.
mediator said:Thats for u to ponder and decide! Why is it happening and what shud be done to prevent it and to ponder over such things u have to be an INDIAN first, u have to think from the national point of view!
If a Hindu leader tells Muslims what to do then obviously in light of reality, they will protest and burn his effigies. If a liberal Muslim will talk, then fatwa will be issued against him and he may have to live in exile if the circumstances deteriorate. U have already read the posts of many members here and also people in some communiites of what they dont like about MUSLIMS. See the link I gave in my first post here. U know the reality and whats happening in the world. So u think what can be done!
iMav said:self criticism - agreed is the key word .... kuch bola nahi ki sadakon pe uttar aye ... at the same time man mediator bang on target
faraaz im with u that there is very little that an individual can do its like students protesting against the politicians nohing will happen we are the 1s at the loosing end ... today we have the internet which is has a huge impact on thousands of people .... get some of your friends start a blog, a website .... initiate the recognition of change - im not saying people havent changed their outlook but the the change is not known ... make it known ....