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[Tech&ME]

@Tech&ME: Now, we are just beating the bush pal! Believe me, we are on the same page!

The fact of the matter is, M$ just believes in profit fundas, and so havn't released a version for XP. Simple!

Yes yaar. Sorry if I hurted anyone here. I was just trying to put forward some "Sales Fundas" adopted my MS.

And MS is not wrong in doing so, b'coz if they don't innovate and make us move forward, we will still stick ourselves to the FLOPPY era!!

 

[Vyom]

The point is MSFT is screwing up their own customers and treating Windows XP users, as a second class citizen just in order to drive up sales to their latest Operating systems, quite contrary to the point stated in this thread -

It's Microsoft's commitment to its customers and consumers all over the world. They show how dedicated they are to technology and upgradation.

Well said. This could be my new signature!
But we have got to praise M$ for one thing, "They sure know, every letter of the word, Business!"

 

[Tech&ME]

@TECH&ME:

They may not be bound but they surely deserve criticism for that.

I don't agree with this "what support means or not" irrespective of whatever policies MSFT pursues. If I am a customer I expect a supported OS to be considered a first class citizen and be fully eligible to software updates made by the company itself. Not given excuses in the order of Windows 95 or 3.1x or DOS or whatever.

As for as IE9 to be needed an SP4...Really? Weird. Not the best architecture to distribute a software, if you ask me.

As a customer, I am not bothered whether their product is still on sales or not. What I am concerned is it supported or not, and it is. And they were selling the same product not so long ago, so if it's not too old to be sold, then it's never too old to be expected to be used by the customer and not being told to "move on".

As for as your point of Windows XP and Windows 7 being "different" and compatibility issues are concerned, that didn't stop MSFT to "backport" MSO2010 to XP, how does that stop MSFT to "backport" IE9/10. Makes no sense apart from "Sales reasons".

Sales reason is not any explanation worth bothering to give to your customers. Only MSFT is an organisation which can do business in this manner. Any other organisation would be packing their bags before they utter "S-A-L-E-S" if they emulate that.

Windows XP is still a supported Operating System (with SP3). Now as a customer (assumption), I want to leverage the latest HTML 5 technology. Now MSFT has locked "me" in to IE8, lacking badly in web standards and HTML5 and I can't have any non-third party way to enjoy latest web technology. The only way I can is by:
- Using Third Party tools
- Upgrading to Windows 7 (which my hardware may or may not support, whose license costs a bomb and it may not be worth it for the "improvement" in IT infrastructure.)

Of course using Third Party tools is a good option since ironically Google, Mozilla, and Opera are still supporting the MSFT's OS, but the third party software would not be eligible for technical support from Microsoft.

The point is MSFT is screwing up their own customers and treating Windows XP users, as a second class citizen just in order to drive up sales to their latest Operating systems, quite contrary to the point stated in this thread -

YES this is how companies force there products onto their customers.

MBA colleges teach exactly this. ---- First screw your own customer and then offer them new products in the name of innovation. "Sales Fundas"

This is nothing new!! A Salesman in any company is taught to do exactly this!!!

 

[Liverpool_fan]

But we have got to praise M$ for one thing, "They sure know, every letter of the word, Business!"

To be fair they make some good software as well.

Hopefully IE10 will go even further (as aimed) with HTML 5 readiness and aid in standardisation and development of HTML5 standards, HTML5 is the future and with more support and standardisation the better it is.

YES this is how companies force there products onto their customers.

MBA colleges teach exactly this. ---- First screw your own customer and then offer them new products in the name of innovation. "Sales Fundas"

This is nothing new!! A Salesman in any company is taught to do exactly this!!!

Yup. And we can do nothing but observe while these companies play with billions.

 

[shantanu]

WOW ! It's one thing to state your opinion and another thing to not see what Microsoft is doing positive for the community & customers.

Business : Every one does business. Tell me one company that doesn't do business. If they don't earn profit, how will they feed their employees.

The point is MSFT is screwing up their own customers and treating Windows XP users, as a second class citizen just in order to drive up sales to their latest Operating systems, quite contrary to the point stated in this thread

Your opinion is too biased and unjustified. Sp3 was released by Microsoft just so that it could support a lot of major changes that were coming to it.

liverpool_fan : Your post looks more like a declaration to me. No point to argue when facts become useless.

Adding more to it :

By End-of-life I meant that now only extended support is available. The Product is no longer in sales and then last of them were sold by 2010. When the mainstream support ends for a product, a lot of issues like this arise.

@Vineet369 : You used Office 2010 beta for one year. So for a whole year you used Microsoft Office to do your work. Did you provide some feedback ? if yes, that is great.

faun & others : The fact of me being an MVP has nothing to do with what I said. You can praise any company or person, if they do something great.

 

[Tech&ME]

WOW ! It's one thing to state your opinion and another thing to not see what Microsoft is doing positive for the community & customers.

Business : Every one does business. Tell me one company that doesn't do business. If they don't earn profit, how will they feed their employees.



Your opinion is too biased and unjustified. Sp3 was released by Microsoft just so that it could support a lot of major changes that were coming to it.

liverpool_fan : Your post looks more like a declaration to me. No point to argue when facts become useless.

I agree with you!

MS is also a Business oriented company which we must remember. Ofcourse they innovate, but at the same time to earn money and make profit.

@liverpool_fan You must also understand this, there is nothing like first class or second class customers.

To successfully sale a product only making good and innovative product is not enough. Hence, whatever MS is doing for win 7 sales is not at all wrong.

Some sales tactics are always required.

For example: However costly a bollywood film may be, some sales tactics like some romantic song, skin beauty makes the film run successfully on theaters.

 

[Liverpool_fan]

liverpool_fan : Your post looks more like a declaration to me. No point to argue when facts become useless.

Er nothing to "declare" to you. Just arguing the point. Why take it personally?

Regarding rest I've already posted what I expect as a customer, if you call that biased and unjustified, missing the "facts" or whatever without actually countering the points you are free to do so.

@TECH&ME Maybe to corporations it's justified, I'm just giving opinions in customer's perspective.

 

[Garbage]

Newton's First Law of Motion:
Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

Thats why it needs a company to stop supporting older version, so that customers (read enterprises) move on to better / newer versions. Period.

BTW, isn't this discussion going offtopic? :s

 

[skeletor]

I wouldn't have given a sh!t about new IE versions not being made for Windows XP had IE8 been a competent browser. Or if they had also launched IE9 for Windows XP. IE9 is a good browser.

But still you see, Windows XP is 9 years old now. Might very well be the time to move on to Linux or Windows 7.

 

[Liverpool_fan]

Thats why it needs a company to stop supporting older version, so that customers (read enterprises) move on to better / newer versions. Period.

BTW, isn't this discussion going offtopic? :s

Why should customers (read enterprises) move to new version if the current infrastructure works and is still eligible for security updates and supported? Just because a megacorporation thinks so?
And IE9/10's non-support for XP isn't going off-topic per se. (This post of mine is though)

 

[desiibond]

Why should customers (read enterprises) move to new version if the current infrastructure works and is still eligible for security updates and supported? Just because a megacorporation thinks so?
And IE9/10's non-support for XP isn't going off-topic per se. (This post of mine is though)

Windows XP has reached EOL. Period!

 

[Liverpool_fan]

So it is April 2014 already?
Anyway I've made my point, no point of dragging it further.

 

[desiibond]

So it is April 2014 already?
Anyway I've made my point, no point of dragging it further.

Mainstream support ended on April 14, 2009. Extended support ends in 2014. Extended support doesn't feature "Design changes and feature requests".

 

[Liverpool_fan]

All right. I stand corrected on that point. Their other decisions might not be exact sync with that but maybe I am nitpicking.

 

[shantanu]

liverpool_fan : nothing personal about this conversation. The Only Point is that you the decision that looks simple enough to us, is generally taken by a team of thousands of people. when they decide not to release a product for a platoform there is always a good reason behind that.

Microsoft as a company will do business and that is for sure. But, You and I both use their products. Maybe you bought it and maybe you didnt, but you are using their products and they have given you updates for the same, fixed issues, released a free anti virus solution & lot's of other safety features.

As i stated Windows XP has reached EOL, Adding to features might not be possible. IE is not a separate product like Office 2010, IE is a part of Windows and version changes must be there to support a specific band of product in its own cycle.

Oh and

Er nothing to "declare" to you. Just arguing the point. Why take it personally?

I didnt mean declaration to me, i meant declaration (peace)- as it seems to me, not to me , so no personal thing here.

Regarding rest I've already posted what I expect as a customer, if you call that biased and unjustified, missing the "facts" or whatever without actually countering the points you are free to do so

So, I still stand with that you don't know the full facts. Please clear them. And yes, as a customer you have full rights to specify your opinion and countermand what ever you feel like, just keep it a discussion

No offence intended.

 

[noob]

nice thread.

I have purchased Win7. but fact is IE sucks to the core

 

[Tech&ME]

Ok lets SUMMARISE this discussion guys now...

@liverpool_fan :

As other members including myself is saying Win XP has reached its EOL.

1. Hence, any new development for XP has stopped.

2. IE 8 is tightly intrigrated with XP and MS does not want to upgrade it for XP.

3. Let us welcome win 7 and new innovations by MS.

4. Let's start to live in a real world where wired things does happen!!

5. So, accept the truth and move on............PERIOD

 

[cute.bandar]

As other members including myself is saying Win XP has reached its EOL.

it is immaterial what anyone thinks. Fact is xp is and will be under extended support till 2014. Peiod! whether it has reached EOL is a matter of opinion and what you mean by EOL . officially from MS there is no such thing as EOL . There is end of sales which was till 2010, there is end of extended support which is till 2014 .
tl;dr: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS EOL w.r.t to xp (from MS). *windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle

 

[noob]

those who dont know what is EOL dont deserve to work in IT

 

[cute.bandar]

those who don't understand simple english shouldn't be allowed to sit in front of the computer.