Google Unveils iPhone 'Killer'

Status
Not open for further replies.

sakumar79

Technomancer
@desiibond, the term iphone-killer has nothing to do with vfm and features or with being a market leader... Personally I would never buy the iphone since it is not vfm and its basic features of call clarity,etc are not that great ... But what people are now trying to is outdo the iphone in the UI... That is why people are trying to call these phone as iphone-killer.... The talk is only related to the UI and not to the features...

Arun
 

dheeraj_kumar

Legen-wait for it-dary!
Interesting, this is. Trying to join the mobile OS war too? I mean, we have Sony's own, and Symbian, and linux...
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
A phone becomes a hit not just by look but by being a VFM phone. So, you don't need to have a 30k phone to kill another 30k phone. All you need is something that does everything and costs nothing
Typical cheap Indian mentality. Number of features and price are the only two benchmarks you guys use to judge products. The quality of said features is not even a consideration, as is clearly evident by your unabashedly frank statement.

In India, VFM = cheap. When I said this to iMav a few days ago, he disagreed with me. Here’s solid proof.

-------------

Also, some of you are talking about Android having a large community and user base. Which planet are you living on? Android phones haven’t even been released yet and it does not have a single user.

It’s just software right now, albeit one that does sound promising.

--------------

When you talk about the iPhone, none of you seem to be taking into consideration the fact that the App Store is set to launch within the next few days, an event that will trigger an onslaught of high quality, authorised third party applications for the device that will elevate its usefulness and potential beyond anything you’ve come to expect from mobile phones, and even handheld devices in general. Wait and watch, there’s a revolution in the making in Cupertino right now.
 

chandru.in

In the zone
Quality in iPhone? Well any platform or device which is so damn closed will be secure, stable and have least problems.

That's exactly how Apple ensures quality on desktop too. Do not allow users to try non-apple hardware! If alone Apple allowed Mac OS X to run on any PC hardware and allow third party apps on iPhone without jails like app store, then we'll see how Mac OS X would suffer from driver problems and how many malware would appear for iPhone. Waiting for that day!! :D
 

preshit.net

ex3n1us m4x1mus
And how is that a bad thing ? By keeping it tied to the hardware, they're saving the user from any kind of hassle or headaches.

And if we go by your theory, then Linux, which is so easily customizable would have had millions of malware by now, right ? right ?

Oh, and you most certainly will have to keep waiting for that day.

----------

And how exactly is the App store a jail ? It's only the security at the entrance.
The developer can make the app in any way he wants. He can either set the price for the app, or give it away for free. The user on the other hand can find all apps in one single place, neatly categorized. I don't think a Jail is something like this.
 

chandru.in

In the zone
Well that was not exactly meant to slander Apple. The tying to hardware is a double-edged sword. But claiming that only iPhone would have quality and Android based phone (possibly VFM) may not have it doesn't make sense.

Typical cheap Indian mentality. Number of features and price are the only two benchmarks you guys use to judge products. The quality of said features is not even a consideration, as is clearly evident by your unabashedly frank statement.

In India, VFM = cheap. When I said this to iMav a few days ago, he disagreed with me. Here’s solid proof.

Also, the biggest innovation in iPhone is the UI (saying in positive tone) otherwise it is not anything revolutionary. Also, I mentioned malware because avoiding malware was stated as the reason for not allowing third-party apps initially. Then they gave up to market pressure and gave an SDK but to distribute it still developers need to go through Apple's app store.

It is not exactly a Jail but the developers are eternally at the mercy of Apple when creating iPhone apps. 30% revenue taken as tax by Apple for so called upkeeping. If they let developers distribute apps without app store, Developers need not pay this tax.

An open platform is very very different from open-source. And whether you like it or not, Windows is an open platform. But the Mac OS X on iPhone is not at all an open platform.

Well I don't mind I have open-source with me anyway. ;)
 
Last edited:

chandru.in

In the zone
Please close Photoshop and fire-up iWrite to do some word processing. :D

Anyway to simplify things the Apple way,

  1. Claiming that VFM phones (possibly Android based in future) will somehow be of lower quality than iPhone (as Aryayush did) is baseless
  2. The Mac OS X in iPhone is far far less of an open platform than even Windows Mobile (not even close to Android or openMoko).
  3. Developers have to eternally pay 30% tax to Apple when creating iPhone apps and distributing them through app store.
 

goobimama

 Macboy
1. Aayush didn't say the Android platform will be of lower quality than the iPhone. He merely stated that as of now, it is not even a platform. He also went on to talk about how awesome the iPhone platform is going to be soon.
2. True that. And with reasons you mentioned in your first post, that is, to prevent malware and ultimately — at least in Apple's and my opinion — a smoother environment for the customer.
3. Well they do have bandwidth concerns and such. I'm not sure whether 30% is good or bad. Also, if a developer makes an app for free, there is no charge.
 

iMav

The Devil's Advocate
Quality in iPhone? Well any platform or device which is so damn closed will be secure, stable and have least problems.
In other words, Linux is crap :D it is the opposite of everything you alleged against the iPhone &OS X.
 
F

FilledVoid

Guest
Yay this thread is fun. I mean comparing the a phone with a near to Nil customer base (ok exaggeration there :D) with a phone that hasn't been released.

And by the way.

In India, VFM = cheap. When I said this to iMav a few days ago, he disagreed with me. Here’s solid proof.

How in the world does VFM mean cheap? Value for money means basically getting the best benefit out of your investment.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

chandru.in

In the zone
1. Aayush didn't say the Android platform will be of lower quality than the iPhone. He merely stated that as of now, it is not even a platform. He also went on to talk about how awesome the iPhone platform is going to be soon.
2. True that. And with reasons you mentioned in your first post, that is, to prevent malware and ultimately — at least in Apple's and my opinion — a smoother environment for the customer.
3. Well they do have bandwidth concerns and such. I'm not sure whether 30% is good or bad. Also, if a developer makes an app for free, there is no charge.


  1. His statement is just being interpreted differently by us.
  2. That is exactly what I told in my first post about iPhone being very secure as it is highly closed and preshit argued it. Apple themself have said this third party app restriction is to avoid malware.
  3. Though I'm not at all even remotely fond of Microsoft, there is one thing which they got right and Apple has always been missing. It is the famous monkey dance performed by Ballmer. For any platform's success third party developers are critical. Once the initial hype behind iPhone dies out, it will be still an artist and style icons' phone. When mobiles become our primary computing device in future the value offered to developers by the platform will raise again.
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
How in the world does VFM mean cheap? Value for money means basically getting the best benefit out of your investment.
Yeah, that’s what it’s supposed to mean, of course. But as you could clearly see in the statement I quoted back there, the poster had only two parameters for judging anything—number of features and price. He said that anything that offers the maximum number of features at “no price” is VFM.

And that’s the general sentiment shared by 90% of Indian citizens, even though they may deny it on the face of it. Quality is never paid heed to and if some company charges more for a product of clearly superior quality, it’s termed as not being VFM.

I’m not just talking about Apple here either. It’s prevalent across all industries and brands in the Indian market.

As for praka, who said I should shift to Cupertino, let me tell you that I have no intention to, even though I admire a lot of things about the U.S.A.. I would much rather stay in my country and live with its flaws than run away to another one that has a different set of qualities which might be more to my liking. However, there is no shame in admitting our flaws and I don’t mind voicing out my opinion, against India and Indians, when I feel the need to.

  1. His statement is just being interpreted differently by us.
  2. That is exactly what I told in my first post about iPhone being very secure as it is highly closed and preshit argued it. Apple themself have said this third party app restriction is to avoid malware.
  3. Though I'm not at all even remotely fond of Microsoft, there is one thing which they got right and Apple has always been missing. It is the famous monkey dance performed by Ballmer. For any platform's success third party developers are critical. Once the initial hype behind iPhone dies out, it will be still an artist and style icons' phone. When mobiles become our primary computing device in future the value offered to developers by the platform will raise again.
Trust me, chandru, you have very little idea about the Apple culture. This WWDC is the first one ever to be completely houseful. I think that’s a pretty good indication of how developers feel about the company and its OS X platform. Tomorrow, you’ll see iPhone applications and games that will blow you away and, secretly, you’ll be marveling at the capabilities of the platform. Publicly, however, you’ll still try to demean the company and its inherently closed nature, as if there is anything wrong with it.

The company chose to follow a policy, a closed one, and it’s clearly working—it’s gaining reputation and market share by leaps and bounds, has the most loyal customers across all industries and brands, gets front page press coverage when they mow their backyard and is earning dough by the truckloads. They top every customer satisfaction survey by huge margins. Clearly, it’s working.

So, why fix it if it ain’t broke?
 
Last edited:

chandru.in

In the zone
Tomorrow, you’ll see iPhone applications and games that will blow you away and, secretly, you’ll be marveling at the capabilities of the platform. Publicly, however, you’ll still try to demean the company and its inherently closed nature, as if there is anything wrong with it.

The company chose to follow a policy, a closed one, and it’s clearly working—it’s gaining reputation and market share by leaps and bounds, has the most loyal customers across all industries and brands, gets front page press coverage when they mow their backyard and is earning dough by the truckloads. They top every customer satisfaction survey by huge margins. Clearly, it’s working.

So, why fix it if it ain’t broke?

Well if you remember the History of Apple (not just the past few years), it is a company whose market share has fallen from more than 90% (Apple II and the first Macs) of personal computing to less than 10% (combining Mac and iPhone) today. And all that happened only because back then and even today Apple is fully closed but the IBM PC was and is an open-standard. Yes it is making a come back with its cool factor. But even back then it was all about the cool factor. But I would not question the technical power of Mac OS X after all the kernel, the web rendering engine are all taken from open-source and made into a proprietary package.

Well anyway, let the market forces decide. Unlike the PC market there has been no monopoly (so far) in mobile market. So let's wait and watch.
 

aryayush

Aspiring Novelist
Well if you remember the History of Apple (not just the past few years), it is a company whose market share has fallen from more than 90% (Apple II and the first Macs) of personal computing to less than 10% (combining Mac and iPhone) today.
No, the maximum market share Apple ever enjoyed was 11%.

And all that happened only because back then and even today Apple is fully closed but the IBM PC was and is an open-standard.
No, that was never the reason. The reasons were many, not the least of which was the estrangement between Steve Jobs and John Sculley, the then CEO of Apple, and the former’s resultant expulsion from the company.

Ever since Steve Jobs has returned, he has resurrected the company and brought back its glory days. Apple may have a lower market share in the computer market than it once enjoyed, but the company is in much better shape than it ever has been before.

In fact, the one time Apple allowed Mac OS X to be legally installed on non-Mac computers, it nearly drove the company to bankruptcy. The first few things Steve Jobs did that ultimately saved the company were:
1. Put an end to the clones and reintegrate Mac OS X exclusively with Apple hardware;
2. Simplify the product line;
3. Bring back the emphasis on good design;
4. Get out of the lower-end market; and
5. Launch something spectacular—the first iMac.


Please do not make any false assumptions. After having read three books on Apple’s history, I like to think that I’m quite familiar with the company’s past. :)
 
F

FilledVoid

Guest
Yeah, that’s what it’s supposed to mean, of course. But as you could clearly see in the statement I quoted back there, the poster had only two parameters for judging anything—number of features and price. He said that anything that offers the maximum number of features at “no price” is VFM.

Well the most features for a comparatively lesser price is usually considered as VFM.

And that’s the general sentiment shared by 90% of Indian citizens, even though they may deny it on the face of it. Quality is never paid heed to and if some company charges more for a product of clearly superior quality, it’s termed as not being VFM.

That is a huge exaggeration. Most people don't mind shelling out money for stuff which they classify as superior and feature rich. I'm sure that quality is taken well in account of before most educated people make decisions.

I’m not just talking about Apple here either. It’s prevalent across all industries and brands in the Indian market.
I'm not talking about Apple. My post that this thread is kind of odd still stands. But what I sad about VFM is how I would and I believe a majority of people would define it.

As for praka, who said I should shift to Cupertino, let me tell you that I have no intention to, even though I admire a lot of things about the U.S.A.. I would much rather stay in my country and live with its flaws than run away to another one that has a different set of qualities which might be more to my liking. However, there is no shame in admitting our flaws and I don’t mind voicing out my opinion, against India and Indians, when I feel the need to.

Bravo , May the force be with you!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom