Do UFOs/Aliens exist, is Time Travel possible and more...
Rockstar11
Technomancer
hmmmm
doomgiver
Warframe
herp derp
SunnyGamingHD2
Fortune favors the brave
Stephan Hawking Believes that the Aliens exists i too believe!!
I say Aliens exist. Maybe a trillions of light years away, but they do exist. Because of the almost infinite number of stars and galaxies and planetary systems, look at the probability of conditions similar to earth developing on another planet where life begins is good. Drake's equation explains it better. Drake equation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also, probability of find them would be as slim as the probability of their existence.
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Also, probability of find them would be as slim as the probability of their existence.
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patrick4
Chief
UFOs - any unidentified flying object is an UFO.. they definitely exist. If i decide to build a plane/ flying machine and fly around without the proper documentation, then i would be considered an UFO..
Aliens - good chance there might be life forms outside our planet.. but assuming they would be more advacned and a superior life form than us (like they show in the movies) is a little pre mature.. there very well might be aliens who are less advanced than us.
Also, if an advanced life form does exist... why is everyone under the assumption that they would come to earth to visit humans?? there are millions of species in our planet.. maybe they come to talk to the ants or the dolphins
(honestly there is lot more to learn from the other species than humans)..
Time travel - looking forward for this
Aliens - good chance there might be life forms outside our planet.. but assuming they would be more advacned and a superior life form than us (like they show in the movies) is a little pre mature.. there very well might be aliens who are less advanced than us.
Also, if an advanced life form does exist... why is everyone under the assumption that they would come to earth to visit humans?? there are millions of species in our planet.. maybe they come to talk to the ants or the dolphins
(honestly there is lot more to learn from the other species than humans)..Time travel - looking forward for this
doomgiver
Warframe
Aliens - good chance there might be life forms outside our planet.. but assuming they would be more advacned and a superior life form than us (like they show in the movies) is a little pre mature.. there very well might be aliens who are less advanced than us.
Also, if an advanced life form does exist... why is everyone under the assumption that they would come to earth to visit humans?? there are millions of species in our planet.. maybe they come to talk to the ants or the dolphins
1. if the speed of light is thet ultimate speed limit :
they will come to our planet to enslave species and use our resources (think europe vs americas/africa/asia)
free labor and raw material for them.
2. if speed of light can be broken by a large margin, like 2x-4x the speed of light, then we have a chance of finding benevolent creatures, who dont wish to harm us, but will want us to "share" our resources
3. our planet has rare valuable resources (like copper, radioactive metals, halogens, etc)
then they will plunder no matter what
patrick4
Chief
1. "our resources"?? humans did the same thing when we started colonising.. the resources were freely availabe long before humans arrived.. if we could simply dictate over control of the resources, its only fair that others can do the same..
2. the speed of light theory and the e=mc2 is a concept that we know of.. there could be lots of other phenomenon that we maybe unaware of..
3. Not every one may suscribe to what we consider rare.. resources like the ones mentioned above maybe freely available in large quantites in other galaxies..
doomgiver
Warframe
1. you just prove my point. thanks
2. thats what i said, mate.
3. as i freaking said : rare, valuable resources.
thats why i didnt say "gold"
radioactive elements are relatively rare, and cant be recycled.
elements like iridium are rare on earth, but common as dirt in asteroids
gold is much more common and less useful than silver.
thats why, the aztecs used gold utensils, and the greedy spainards conquered them.
we might have a similar situation.
Loose cable snaps faster than light finding - The Times of India
till now e=mc2 holds.also i seriously doubt that anyone who can travel at speeds comparable to light & travel light years in a short span of time without breaking the light speed limit(something like wormholes etc)does not possess the technology to manipulate matter at sub-atomic levels to create any element/compound.even we can convert some elements to gold(though not cost effectively enough).from a rational point of view earth has no significance whatsoever for a very advanced civilization.or in other words the difference between us & aliens might be much larger than it was between colonial powers & colonies.
till now e=mc2 holds.also i seriously doubt that anyone who can travel at speeds comparable to light & travel light years in a short span of time without breaking the light speed limit(something like wormholes etc)does not possess the technology to manipulate matter at sub-atomic levels to create any element/compound.even we can convert some elements to gold(though not cost effectively enough).from a rational point of view earth has no significance whatsoever for a very advanced civilization.or in other words the difference between us & aliens might be much larger than it was between colonial powers & colonies.
doomgiver
Warframe
to convert energy to even 1 kg of gold, you'd have to utilize power equivalent to the entire electricity output of the world, for at least 5-7 years.
that is how inefficient it is.
even the sun "burns" up thousands of tons of hydrogen PER second to create enough enrgy to power several thousand earth-planets for centuries.
no sane civilization will do matter-energy transformation.
that is how inefficient it is.
even the sun "burns" up thousands of tons of hydrogen PER second to create enough enrgy to power several thousand earth-planets for centuries.
no sane civilization will do matter-energy transformation.
just because humanity does not know an efficient process does not mean such processes do not exist.btw i think you misunderstood my point.i was talking about transforming 1 element into another.Nuclear experiments have successfully transmuted lead into gold,but the expense far exceeds any gain.if some one can efficiently convert any element into any other element there will be no need to look for any material resource.
doomgiver
Warframe
er, for any of that, there is loss of sub-atomic particles, and you need hoards of energy to break up the atom,
and for a "simple" lead to gold transformation, there are atleast 44 intermediate steps, so you'd have to be very patient to get your gold.
a cheaper alternative is find a mineral rich planet, and strip-mine it.
if it has indigenous species, all the better, coz free labor.
and for a "simple" lead to gold transformation, there are atleast 44 intermediate steps, so you'd have to be very patient to get your gold.
a cheaper alternative is find a mineral rich planet, and strip-mine it.
if it has indigenous species, all the better, coz free labor.
Niilesh
Padawan
doomgiver
Warframe
if you cant travel faster than light, it'll take centuries to reach other stars.
if you build a worldship, you might be short on resources after such a journey, hence you'll need food, water, etc.
now, a worldship wont be much interested in talking would it? they'd rather take all they can rather than spend tedious time arguing with us over who owns what.
think of it this way :
you are travelling to a distant city thru a desert
you are short on food, and you see a few tribal huts around an oasis with fruit trees
you know there is food and water and maybe even fuel there.
yuo approach the tribals, and they refuse to share anything, saying its theirs.
now, do you argue with them, offer some money (they are tribals, they dont understand money) or you use your trusty gun, which you took along, "just in case" to "persuade" the tribals to hand over some food, while you make them clean your dusty car?
tell me.
now, contrast this to a jet plane (a harrier, in this case)
the journey will be so fast, that you might even stop just to click photos with the tribals, and maybe trade them a sandvich or two for some juicy dates(i mean the fruit, lol)
if you build a worldship, you might be short on resources after such a journey, hence you'll need food, water, etc.
now, a worldship wont be much interested in talking would it? they'd rather take all they can rather than spend tedious time arguing with us over who owns what.
think of it this way :
you are travelling to a distant city thru a desert
you are short on food, and you see a few tribal huts around an oasis with fruit trees
you know there is food and water and maybe even fuel there.
yuo approach the tribals, and they refuse to share anything, saying its theirs.
now, do you argue with them, offer some money (they are tribals, they dont understand money) or you use your trusty gun, which you took along, "just in case" to "persuade" the tribals to hand over some food, while you make them clean your dusty car?
tell me.
now, contrast this to a jet plane (a harrier, in this case)
the journey will be so fast, that you might even stop just to click photos with the tribals, and maybe trade them a sandvich or two for some juicy dates(i mean the fruit, lol)
doomgiver
Warframe
^^ its a little difficult to follow your train of thought
but why would you assume you need some sort of vehicle to travel? maybe aliens travel by teleportation without the need for food, fuel and resources..
you guys dont get it, do you?
i dont care how they travel, im more concerned about how they will interact with us, thats why i've outlined a few scenarios that can happen. this is not a discussion of how the enterprise can go faster than speed of light (the eqn is c*n^(10/3), where n is the warp factor), rather, im talking about what will happen if they arrive here
iwannaberockstar
Right off the assembly line
First of all there is no question about resources. There is plenty resource in the galaxy and asteroids for the aliens to harvest.
Here's one scenario.
If there are aliens, obviously they would have a central government of some kind like the UN or something equivalent. If they found out about Earth, first objective would obviously be recon. Then they would come to know that we are not very technologically capable as compared to them. Now why the hell would they contact us? To impart us their knowledge and hope that we would live happily ever after? Just imagine if aliens come here and contact us now. Pandemonium will break out, our way of life would be totally changed. If countries like Iraq and Afghanistan cannot allow foreign forces to occupy their land even if it is for "greater good", then how can we expect humans to live peacefully with aliens that we don't know anything about?After a few months of awe and celebration, only fear and and then anger will encapsulate earth,even if the aliens have no nefarious motives.
Now if the aliens have a government kind of thing, it would not allow the natural order of a world to change so drastically and hence would never contact earth.
So unless we ourselves don't discover intergalactic travel, they wouldn't contact us.
P.S. 1st post in digit forum after years of reading.....woo-hoo.
Here's one scenario.
If there are aliens, obviously they would have a central government of some kind like the UN or something equivalent. If they found out about Earth, first objective would obviously be recon. Then they would come to know that we are not very technologically capable as compared to them. Now why the hell would they contact us? To impart us their knowledge and hope that we would live happily ever after? Just imagine if aliens come here and contact us now. Pandemonium will break out, our way of life would be totally changed. If countries like Iraq and Afghanistan cannot allow foreign forces to occupy their land even if it is for "greater good", then how can we expect humans to live peacefully with aliens that we don't know anything about?After a few months of awe and celebration, only fear and and then anger will encapsulate earth,even if the aliens have no nefarious motives.
Now if the aliens have a government kind of thing, it would not allow the natural order of a world to change so drastically and hence would never contact earth.
So unless we ourselves don't discover intergalactic travel, they wouldn't contact us.
P.S. 1st post in digit forum after years of reading.....woo-hoo.