China vs India

[afonofa]

After reading through all that, makes me feel that

China vs India = Superman vs Doomsday (respectively)

I think everyone would want India = Superman but when you think about it, the grind that India is being put through by our politicians, India can only be Doomsday. That means the awesome power(India) that finally emerges will be unstoppable

(for the uninitiated, Doomsday is the creature that killed Superman!)

 

[veiga2412]

hey!.. as if!

China would be superman if it saved the country, and the day, without making any compromise in humanitarian terms - and i think it is safe to safe, that this is not always the case.

And India...

While politicians are not really helping the situation, i doubt, very much, that they wield so much power as to be able to decide if a major part of our country will be left to die - they won't even think to put that kind of infrastructure into place, they'll just grab their cash and take jets & go bunk off on their private islands or whatever...

So each has their own flaws...

 

[cooldudie3]

So the best way to judge a book is by its cover...

Oh BTW, Honk Kong comes with a "Made By Bits" label, in case you haven't noticed.

Hong Kong
Made by bits, never heard of it, even though I speak their languge and live here.

 

[hellknight]

FIrst of all lets take a look at these points :-

1. The first thing that matters to humans is freedom.. talking about freedom in China is like talking about water in desert

2. In a one party system, their is always development regardless of public view.

3. Laptops and desktops are banned in the first year of Chinese universities, India main its not like that

4. 90% of Internet is not accessible in China.. Indians can access anything they want.

5. Regarding Hong Kong, it was not developed by China, it was developed by Britain, it will remain under One Country, two systems policy until 2047.

6. When the students were killed in Tiananmen square in 1989, the govt. took the money of bullets from the parents of the dead. India main its not like this.

7. Regarding Kashmir and Tibet view, we did not invaded Kashmir, the Maharaja of Kashmir acceded to India, but China invaded Tibet, so you can't compare Kashmir to Tibet.

8. China is trying to bring people from other provinces to live in Tibet to kil Tibetan culture, but India still has Article 370 in Kashmir. Another point not to compare Kashmir and Tibet.

 

[cooldudie3]

I know HK was not developed by China. You know, back in the old days when the Britains arrived, they had to Teach people about hygiene. Which is why HK is so clean today.

The internet is not as bad as 90% but maybe 70% unaccessible. Unbelievable!
I agree that freedom is not a thing in China. Not everything is allowed.

 

[afonofa]

SuperChina is a sleek, powerful, picture perfect being, cared for and nurtured by parents who hide their child to protect it from the world till its time for it to embrace its destiny. This being is steadily gaining new and more powerful political & military abilities under the economic sun. However whether it finally uses its awesome powers for good or evil remains to be seen.

SuperChina though appears perfect on the outside has, with all possibility, an almost critical flaw on the inside, i.e., it is believed to become completely vulnerable and lose all its abilities when exposed to [human rights] or what is commonly known as Rightanite! This 'little piece of home' is ingrained into the dna of SuperChina and will always be a part of its legacy. Exposure to Rightanite and its [different variants]* has been known to cause very unpredictable actions by SuperChina.

DoomIndia is a being that had started out with the same potential as SuperChina but, was & is continued to be, subjected to horrific deaths by petty creatures who dream of creating an ultimate being without realising that with every death they are stripping away the very essence of this thriving living being and giving birth to a monster which may well be out of their control.

DoomIndia has been subjected to unimaginable horrors right from the time of its birth to the present day. It would be noteworthy to remember that right after its birth, DoomIndia was thrown out into the wild to [terrifying creatures]* which ripped DoomIndia into pieces, thereby creating a horrific memory which runs deep inside its core and continues to plague it till date.

DoomIndia for all its current flaws, is inherently an incredibly resilient superbeing in the making. This is evident from the fact that no matter how many deaths, the petty creatures in charge subject it too, DoomIndia has always adapted, assimilated, evolved and immunized itself to those horrors. This being can only be killed in one way one time, after which it becomes immune to that which killed it. More horrific the death, longer the time required by DoomIndia to come back to life. This was noticed during its repeated deaths at the hands of the evil creature known as [Communal Riots]. For those who question this superbeing's ability to immunize itself to its previous form of death, they would do well to remember that the part known as Bombay, which was completely torn to shreds by [Communal Riots] has been regenerated, into Mumbai which remained immune to attacks by the scavenger known commonly as [Politikcians]* which almost always is the harbinger of an attack by [Communal Riots]. Also to be noted is that subsequent attacks by [Communal Riots] have been on different parts of DoomIndia, which were not immunized.

Slowly but surely the entire being, DoomIndia, is being immunized against deaths by far [deadly creatures]* and is gaining, albeit slowly, political, military and perhaps most importantly cultural powers and abilities which may allow it to project its power more efficiently than SuperChina. This coupled with DoomIndia's plausible evolution into a being of pure Rightanite may well tilt the balance in its favour.

It is not hard to see that currently it is SuperChina which has an edge over DoomIndia, but as and when DoomIndia evolves, it will be a unstoppable power far greater than SuperChina.

These two future superbeings are no doubt destined to battle each other. This humble narrator dreads to even imagine what that day holds in store for the Earthiverse. However that much feared day may never come to pass if the self proclaimed guardian of the Earthiverse, [United Spectreates of America]* has its way.

[different variants] - most commonly known forms are Tibetanite and Tiananmenite
[terrifying creatures] - THE PARTITION!
[Politikcians] - parasitic scum of the Earthiverse, inhabiting every being, super or otherwise
[deadly creatures] - poverty, illiteracy, corruption, pollution, terrorism etc. well documented by the inhabitants of the planet TigiDknihT.
[United Spectreates of America] - pronounced as Specter-ate-s

 

[nix]

@quote afonofa: lowly but surely the entire being, DoomIndia, is being immunized against deaths by far [deadly creatures]* and is gaining, albeit slowly, political, military and perhaps most importantly cultural powers and abilities which may allow it to project its power more efficiently than SuperChina.:endquote:

that may never happen. when we cant respond to bangladesh when it does not return our dead soldiers with respect, then how can we overtake china?. how can overtake china when we keep giving in to agression? all for the sake of votes...
the only thing indian politicians are good at is making money. how can we overtake china when we cant control the influx of terrorists from bangladesh and pakistan? india has a lot of work to do... its probably too late. didnt you see the way russia retaliated when georgia dared to mess with them?? they will never even think of doing it again...
we need a revolution. all these politicians should be punished. and we must have a govt that is not in the business of appeasing.
today musharraf said "kashmir is in the blood of pakistan, what is happening in kashmir is abuse of human rights." india should have protested and stressed about the brutal treatment meted out to hindu's and christians in pakistan. india said nothing.
no country other than india takes tolerates so much.

 

[mehra.rakesh]

so whose fault is that india didnt liberalized their economy? is it chinas fault? you will say its the fault of the politicians, but arent the politicians citizens of india? and if they were doing wrong, where were other indians? this is supposed to be a democracy isnt it?

--- Good news for you buddy India isn't truly free . You can do your part and not wonder what other indians are doing .

again. my first point.. it that chinas fault? or any other countries fault? and dont you dare put "sound education" and india in one line. do you know about chinas education system? i think its the main reason its ahead.

--- Yes i know abt chinas system . A cure for headache in China ::: 1 piece of tiger testicle ( or was it goat) . 1 snake skull . Grind together with bats blood ..
Ok maybe not that bad , but its not better than India .

doesnt china face internal aggression and external aggression and face tough competition? ever heard about tibet?

--- 1. Tibetan monks attack by meditating or by holding silent protests wat a gr8 threat . 2. Internal agression can be squashed in China . Try doing that in India by throwing away the Hindus or Muslims protesting in J&K . India is still apole

i have no connection to the chinese. i am stating the facts.

--- Facts Taken from Peoples daily of China..


This debate has been held before and was inconclusive. Thats why they coined the term CHINDIA or should it INDINA.

 

[Aberforth]

Anyway, China is becoming a financial point in this world. Jobs are very easy to find there.

I agree with this part. A friend of mine in Kunming commands as much salary as a primary school teacher as my professors at IIT did. Although China may be 'cheap' by West European standards, it is still in a far better state than India. Sad, but true.

in china do they realy care indians ? or they dont like us ?

My personal experience is, the Chinese people in general don't harbour as much ill will against Indians, as say, Americans or Pakistanis do. I guess that has something to do with the lack of anti-India propaganda or KKK-style nationalism in Chinese media.

overtaken china? . i dont want to be seen as rude but can you justify that to me?....

I'm sorry to point out, but putting two pictures of selected locations are no parameters to judge which country does better. The best comparison of Beijing skyline would be Delhi's Connaught Place while the Jama Masjid would be aptly compared with the Forbidden City.

7. Ya and Indian chicks look much better than Chinese girls ,

Personal taste. A majority of Indian girls have an extremely conservative mindset and a high tendency to put on weight as soon as the unsuspecting male gets a ring around their fingers. Chinese girls are better able to maintain their figures past their 20s although they age less gracefully than Indians.

4. If you were in China your home would've been razed for a 4 lane highway and you wouldn't be able to do anything about it,

If we try the same tack on India, it doesn't look very good either. If you are the unfortunate homeless in India, you'd be over-run by an SUV driven by a drunk spoilt brat or a powerful celebrity. Since it is a democracy, the voice of the homeless victims are rarely ever heard.

China's GDP is mainly composed of Manufacturing, and China doesn't have home-grown companies like India, MOST of the companies in China are Foreign ones, they can easily stop manufacturing in China and they wouldn't be able to do anything about it,

Manufacturing assets are hard assets while service sector is composed of fluid assets. Companies who invest in India can't simply "stop manufacturing" without the inconvienience of losing their plant in worst case, or being extremely inconvenienced at the best case.

Well go to Youtube and see you'll come across loads of videos of Chinese calling Indians paki etc. and referring to us as "stinky Indians", "ugly black Indians", well maybe you're extremely thick-skinned but I cant tolerate such insult , you chump.

Perhaps you deserve it if you look into Youtube and gobble such racist videos to fuel your hatred of Chinese. Racist people exist in every country, India and China are no exceptions.

And most Ethnic Tibetians are exploited and treated like vermin by the PRC.

Pretty much the same way the Hindi belt Indians treat Northeasterns.

Do you know China is torturing ethnic Tibetians and marginalizing them? There are graphic vids on Youtube.

I think most of us know all this. But it would be hippocritic to point fingers at China, when North-Eastern Indians are getting abducted, raped and shot by our own soldiers, using the AFSPA act. Both are atrocities on a marginalised sections of people, to be despised and condemned.

Great show...but still China does not impress much. And I am glad that this country does not go to the extent that China does to make those glittery cities

I agree. It is always a great pleasure to live in slums or have badly contructed cielings fall on my head when I'm taking my afternoon siesta.

Bottomline is, if we want to proclaim moral or ethical superiority over the Chinese, it would be a poor call to use red herrings. There are cultural positives in both India and China, as well as negatives. Unfortunately, Indians tend to pick the up worst of western culture and at the same time, zealously retain the worst on Indian culture. The Chinese, on the other hand, tend to clip off their worst traits and enhance their best, which pushed them ahead of us despite our post-colonial advantages. Maybe there is a lesson to be learnt here.

 

[amol48]

I agree with this part. A friend of mine in Kunming commands as much salary as a primary school teacher as my professors at IIT did. Although China may be 'cheap' by West European standards, it is still in a far better state than India. Sad, but true.


My personal experience is, the Chinese people in general don't harbour as much ill will against Indians, as say, Americans or Pakistanis do. I guess that has something to do with the lack of anti-India propaganda or KKK-style nationalism in Chinese media.


I'm sorry to point out, but putting two pictures of selected locations are no parameters to judge which country does better. The best comparison of Beijing skyline would be Delhi's Connaught Place while the Jama Masjid would be aptly compared with the Forbidden City.


Personal taste. A majority of Indian girls have an extremely conservative mindset and a high tendency to put on weight as soon as the unsuspecting male gets a ring around their fingers. Chinese girls are better able to maintain their figures past their 20s although they age less gracefully than Indians.


If we try the same tack on India, it doesn't look very good either. If you are the unfortunate homeless in India, you'd be over-run by an SUV driven by a drunk spoilt brat or a powerful celebrity. Since it is a democracy, the voice of the homeless victims are rarely ever heard.


Manufacturing assets are hard assets while service sector is composed of fluid assets. Companies who invest in India can't simply "stop manufacturing" without the inconvienience of losing their plant in worst case, or being extremely inconvenienced at the best case.


Perhaps you deserve it if you look into Youtube and gobble such racist videos to fuel your hatred of Chinese. Racist people exist in every country, India and China are no exceptions.


Pretty much the same way the Hindi belt Indians treat Northeasterns.


I think most of us know all this. But it would be hippocritic to point fingers at China, when North-Eastern Indians are getting abducted, raped and shot by our own soldiers, using the AFSPA act. Both are atrocities on a marginalised sections of people, to be despised and condemned.


I agree. It is always a great pleasure to live in slums or have badly contructed cielings fall on my head when I'm taking my afternoon siesta.

Bottomline is, if we want to proclaim moral or ethical superiority over the Chinese, it would be a poor call to use red herrings. There are cultural positives in both India and China, as well as negatives. Unfortunately, Indians tend to pick the up worst of western culture and at the same time, zealously retain the worst on Indian culture. The Chinese, on the other hand, tend to clip off their worst traits and enhance their best, which pushed them ahead of us despite our post-colonial advantages. Maybe there is a lesson to be learnt here.

This is perhaps the most meaningful and unbiased post in this whole thread IMO. Can't agree more with you!!

 

[witnesstheday]

Looks like I started a hot topic, eh?

Well for those who point at china's inhumanity - 80% of indians are "lower caste" and live like actual dogs and pigs.

India's rich and powerful don't give a rat's behind for their people.

In the name of Gandhi there will be blood on the streets in a big way, in our lives.

100 to 200 million indian youths will die during a period of uprising.

india is the most racist country in the world after Israel

there's a lot of reasons why india is well suited to be china's partner! they are both as heinous as each other.

 

[amitash]

Both sides have plenty of negatives in their policies...But i have to say, china is the better country as when you look at it in the whole, they are far more advanced...India is stuck somewhere in the middle of culture and modern development whereas the chinese are just more united as a nation.

Bottomline is, if we want to proclaim moral or ethical superiority over the Chinese, it would be a poor call to use red herrings. There are cultural positives in both India and China, as well as negatives. Unfortunately, Indians tend to pick the up worst of western culture and at the same time, zealously retain the worst on Indian culture. The Chinese, on the other hand, tend to clip off their worst traits and enhance their best, which pushed them ahead of us despite our post-colonial advantages. Maybe there is a lesson to be learnt here.

Per fectly agreed on that one, just my point.

 

[max_demon]

i personally feel japan pwns them both

 

[abhijangda]

hmmmm.......... which is better china is far better than india in economy but there are some points which i think has not been mention here and are in favour of India.
1. Indian Army is one of the best army in the world. Our Army's training is such good that even other countries are also using same training technique.

2. Indian Airforce is also one of the best known airforce in the world. We have Sukoi aircrafts which are the best aircrafts in the world.

3. India is the largest democracy in the world. Here we have all the rights which one must have. We can choose our leaders which we want. But in China there is dictatorship who knows when a Hitler type person becomes dictator.

4. India is a paece loving country which hasn't attack any other country for more than 200 yrs. But china see it has attacked us in 1962 just because we were giving shelter to tibetians.

5. China also follows their expanding policy they have taken control over Tibet.

6. Also India was the first country to recoginze China as an independent country. India helps China to get entry in UN. and helps China to become permanent member of Security Counccil.

So here are the ++++++ points of India. But China i dont thing have these plus pnts.

 

[chesss]

2. Indian Airforce is also one of the best known airforce in the world. We have Sukoi aircrafts which are the best aircrafts in the world.

Not true atall. Currently nothing beats the F22 raptor. That aircraft is the ****. Heck its so good that its predicted to give USA air superiority for 40 years!!

 

[Krow]

hmmmm.......... which is better china is far better than india in economy but there are some points which i think has not been mention here and are in favour of India.
1. Indian Army is one of the best army in the world. Our Army's training is such good that even other countries are also using same training technique.

2. Indian Airforce is also one of the best known airforce in the world. We have Sukoi aircrafts which are the best aircrafts in the world.

3. India is the largest democracy in the world. Here we have all the rights which one must have. We can choose our leaders which we want. But in China there is dictatorship who knows when a Hitler type person becomes dictator.

4. India is a paece loving country which hasn't attack any other country for more than 200 yrs. But china see it has attacked us in 1962 just because we were giving shelter to tibetians.

5. China also follows their expanding policy they have taken control over Tibet.

6. Also India was the first country to recoginze China as an independent country. India helps China to get entry in UN. and helps China to become permanent member of Security Counccil.

So here are the ++++++ points of India. But China i dont thing have these plus pnts.

Agreed with point 5&6.

Point 4>>> U need to read more sir. Wiki is a good place to start. Chinese attack on India wasn't just because we sheltered Tibetans. Chinese wanted to build a highway through Aksai Chin region of Kashmir(which they hold even today). There are some other factors too. Maybe we didnt attack any country in the past 200 years, but that doesnt make us a peace loving country(remember the very controversial Godhra Riots/Babri Masjid Demolition/many such violent eruptions).

Point 3>>> Agreed partially. I dunno if Chinese Presidents are Hitler-type or not. Offtopic - But then again, even the Allied forces were no better than Hitler. Far as I know, they didn't have a problem with the holocaust, but with Hitler's expansionism. Hence, they responded only when Hitler attacked another nation and not when he started culling Jews.

Point 2>>> The IAF may be the best airforce in the world for its Pilots and not for its planes. Shame so many pilots are killed due to corrupt defence ministry officials. Remember Rang De Basanti? Our fleet has the minimum no. of Sukhois. Japan makes them. IAF would be the best only when all our crafts are fully manufactured in India.

Point 1>>> Indian Army is said to be the best because it is the largest voluntary army in the world. I don't know about its training methods and how they fare against the world, so I won't comment.

 

[abhijangda]

frnd by point 4 i don't mean that there are not internal matters of India. But I want to say that India has always tried to solve the issues by peace and will be doing in the coming years.
Also one more point to add is that
7. We Indians are said to be world gurus we are the one who tells people about numerals. Astronomers like Aryabhatta told the world that Earth rotate around Sun (although it was accepted much latter after Galileo). Mathemeticians like Ramanujam devloped many theorems.

8. Also we Indians also has a very good part in world economy (although not as a country). But we individuals go to foriegn countries and developed many new things and hence we have a good share.

9. Also Indians are said to be most intelligent persons in the world.

 

[Disc_Junkie]

P0rn is completely banned in China. Even their governement threatened Google to ban their search engine and it's very strict. They have a zero-tolerance policy against it. But in India - even if p0rn is illegal, the Indian government is not taking enough steps to curb it completely.

So in this case India falls behind China.

 

[abhijangda]

P0rn is completely banned in China. Even their governement threatened Google to ban their search engine and it's very strict. They have a zero-tolerance policy against it. But in India - even if p0rn is illegal, the Indian government is not taking enough steps to curb it completely.

So in this case India falls behind China.

Oh yes that's the reason why we should be carefull while opening the sites. Who knows what lies ahead. The actual reason of their development is that the chinese goverment i.e. dictatorship gov. is strict and hence they have less corruption than India hence they are ahead of us.

 

[Aberforth]

1. Indian Army is one of the best army in the world. Our Army's training is such good that even other countries are also using same training technique.

Subjective. The fact that the Kargil war dragged on for so long and we lost so many of our jawans makes me ponder whether to believe this one...(much as I wish I could).

Indian Airforce is also one of the best known airforce in the world. We have Sukoi aircrafts which are the best aircrafts in the world.

Sukhoi Su-30s are Russian aircrafts. The Indian versions have Israeli equipments in them. And I wouldn't call an Su the "best aircraft in the world". Formidable yes, best no.

India is a paece loving country which hasn't attack any other country for more than 200 yrs.

Thats because we were too busy killing and fighting amongst ourselves. The Sikh riots, Nellis massacre, Gujarat pogrom, Christian massacres in Karnataka and Orissa, etc. etc.

Here we have all the rights which one must have. We can choose our leaders which we want. But in China there is dictatorship who knows when a Hitler type person becomes dictator.

All of which sounds good on paper but thats just that - a paper tiger. In reality, India is a country of vote rigging, votebank manipulation, communal riots, political massacres and police brutality. A truely functional anarchy.

China also follows their expanding policy they have taken control over Tibet.

China has claims over Tibet the same way our governments lay claim over Northeastern India.

Heck its so good that its predicted to give USA air superiority for 40 years!!

In the 1990s F-117 "stealth" was predicted to be 'invincible' for decades to come. The Kosovo war proved the predictors wrong. If the Serbs with their ancient radars and rockets could down the 'invincible' F-117, I would trust my life on an IAF pilot in a Sukhoi over an F-22 Raptor.

Mathemeticians like Ramanujam devloped many theorems.

...in United Kingdom. What did this genius get in India? Forced early marriage, years in poverty and finally a tuberculosis that ultimately consumed him. If it were not for Thomas Hardy, Ramanujan would have died a nobody's death.

Also Indians are said to be most intelligent persons in the world.

And yet we are among the worst in spotting talent. We are more impressed by degree certificates of an 'old world' Anglo-Saxon education than real intellect.