Can the war against terrorists be won by Satyagraha???

[freshseasons]

He he ,This is turning out to be one of those posts where " i post the Last wins". I had rather have things depend on logic and reason.Coz Debates are not like Chess Game where both the opponents start on the same note and pieces and who ever is intelligent wins.Debates require Truth and sustenance for that. Even the weaker ones win over, if his conclusion is true . Which brings us to one thing......i hate to start over again...
I still cannot believe i m here in flesh and Blood typing my guts out talking to the person who is also in flesh and blood presumly and must also be breathing.....whom some lazy teacher from his school forgot to tell him," GANDHIJI WAS NOT A POLITICIAN." How on this earth where everything is so workable you came to this silly conclusion.Seriously i hate your teacher.
Anyways i believe you wont end this so soon as must definatly get the time off your studying breaks and thats all it takes to type here..Login and type ones guts out...hha ha ha ..

 

[mediator]

@freshseasons......."I post the last wins?" . Not yet Buddy! Enjoying ma absence as ur win? Huh dood? Ur mistaken! I guess u hate me huh? Thats why u dont want me to study for exams!
Neways the topic of teacher telling me something is irrelevant coz I was too taughtt that he was he hero and all. Yes he was! But ya I say it again he was a politician. Can u name any elected leader atleast Indian who is not a politician in real sense?

Hey man u urself wanted to end the topic on Gandhiji. Now ur provoking me urself? I was starting to gear up, but soon realised that something are better not be talked about. Yes I can continue this thread like my other threads. Want to do that? I hope not!

Now can u stick to the topic of this thread? or wanna deviate it to "Gandhiji politician or not"?

I saw this post of urs and I thought u must have replied to some of mah Non-Gandhiji points as u and nobody here wanna talk on that(Gandhiji issue). But the only thing I saw is u being overwhelmed with joy because I restrained mahself from talking about his politics!
Well bro backing out from an example because of emotions attached to it is not called "Quit or defeat" but rather called "Sensibility" and then provoking that sensible guy after restraining him on such a topic and thinking of false victory is called "Stupidity".
U may have noticed in the "Vande mataram thread" that I cud have spoken like hell like I always do.......but I adviced others too not to talk about something with which the emotions of so many Indians is attached with and I made just one point!

Seems u were sooooo overjoyed, but only did what u told " Not to talk about Gandhiji"? Did I do somethng wrong by not saying anything further about him?

Neways the next time any Tv debate on this topic about Gandhiji comes, then please watch it carefully! It will really lower the false sense of happiness ur experiencing.

By the way I wrote about Satygraha and u as a Britisher! Where is the reply?

 

[freshseasons]

I guess u hate me huh? Thats why u dont want me to study for exams!

Really i dont hate you ! There no partiality. I hate everybody equally. Study for the exams mate..And still whats the point if few nuts on planet feel Gandhiji is a politician. I can't fight all eh! So waste of efforts there.But i didint get that one sentence you said . Gandhiji is a politician in other way.
I dont understand these sentences.
If one Writes" Do the Girl," it Preciously means just that.Not like, ok what i meant was do the girls hair or do her house work. So if you said Gandhiji was a politician he was for you in all the way.
He he ..i will leave you .dont waste time ..concentrate on exams.May be there you will give reaally good answers! Peace Mate.

 

[mediator]

He he ..i will leave you

Really?....Attitude eh? U dont like peace treaty..do u? Guess ur feeling really high coz I'm not speaking on such topic with which emotions of so many of my brothers,Indians are attached. Neways I really pity people like u who cant speak on real topics like Satyagraha and others and then feel high when nobody else is speaking on some emotionfull/sensitive topic like "Gandiji's one"!

And still whats the point if few nuts on planet feel Gandhiji is a politician.

YEa thats history now......But similarly I pity the few freaks who dunno the history in detail, dont watch TV debates on such topics and only say what they are taught in classrooms! Its like u know a maths formula and u memorise it, use it extensively but never cared to find how it was derived actually and who derived it!
Never mind most people like u suffer from ignorance on such topic! Its Ok!

So...... are u out of ur false sense of happiness or hauliicinating victory or whateva u might be imagining?? Can we proceed if ur done celebrating ur dream? Are u done boasting about ur arrogance and ignorance? CAn we move on?

Where is the reply on Satygraha and u as britisher? This is the second time I'm asking! Oh forget the exams now....guess I was going soft on u! So do u have the guts to proceed on the topic of this thread? Or u'll boast pathetically in ur next post toooo?

I expect a good loooong post from u now that can entertain me! Lets start!

EPEACE!

 

[digit_fan]

Neways if u wanna debate on this then wait till 24th...actually I'm having exams!

honestly i don't go to sites that has less traffic than my own site, but digit pulls that's why am here.

then i read such posts like gandhiji is a politician, if he was, he would have been our prime minister, but's he was not.

anyways, read and learn, and this time don't fail in your exam, though this is a nice way to chicken out from the debate, that too after saying gandhiji as a politician.

repeating the previous statement to remove any confusion, real leader, bhagat singh, subhas chandra bose, and all the people who faught for freedom, all are real heros, and yes including all of those as well who did satyagraha, like gandhiji. don't compair our leaders, all are real leaders, learn to respect them.


saying gandhiji a politician when gandhi jayanti is so near, mediator shame on you, you are not good enough to be an indian.

i don't want to make personal comments, but if you don't apologise clearly for your shameful act, you will be considered as a traitor of india.

real leaders, what do you think gandhiji is not a real leader, he is false, unreal, i said you have lost your mind, i was wrong, you can't have a mind!

 

[mediator]

honestly i don't go to sites that has less traffic than my own site, but digit pulls that's why am here.

Ya like u did a big deed! "Ehsaan kar diya yahan aa ke?"


@digital_fan.......U talk big! I see ur new to the forums huh? But lemme tell u if dont know Indian history well, then u dont have any right to call urself Indian either! I know what I am talking! And chicken out..? Palllleeease! Did I chicken out from this thread and its topic....... boy? Huh others who must be reading mah posts in several debates must be laughing at u right now!

In a debate "China Vs India" if someone says India is better than Pakistan, then do u start fighting on "India Vs Pakistan" debate??

I said he was a politician, I didnt say he was a villain! How do u define a politician?? Please tell me ur definition first and then I'll clear any of ur doubts! I see the only picture of a politician in ur mind is todays politicians like laloo! Boy this is the 21st century....we have sevaral political parties. Time's not the same as it used to be 50 or 60 yrs ago when congress was the sole majority party!

So do u wanna fight on the topic of the thread? or just wanna drop in by occasionally and make personal comments like a stereotypical,uninterested leftist,cpm debater who only speaks whenever he finds the atmosphere appropriate for him?

So how do u find gandhiji's satyagraha effective against Britishers? If u have the GUTS then talk on this. Or open another thread "Gandhiji a politician or not!"!
Neways neither u replied to Nehru's statement I gave nor u replied about the various satyagraha posts I gave! What are u trying to prove kid?

Do u express ur agony in ur classrooms too whenever u find something is not right according to u?
If u wanna abuse then be my guest, abuse in Hindi that will be more lively! But please talk on the current topic!
U behave like @freshseasons now.......doing all the blablabla instead of making relevant points on the topic of this thread!

 

[Yamaraj]

@freshseasons & digit_fan:
Get rid of your annoying and stupid ignorance. Do you even know what the
word "politician" stands for? No wonder, you all have been reciting what was
taught in the classes and mentioned in stupid text books.

Gandhi was a politician. He was also responsible for some of the dirty politics
in Congress party, easily comparable to the deeds of modern asshole politicians.
It's no big secret that he favored Nehru over Bose, and even forced Bose to
resign, who was President of the Congress at the time. He coerced other party
members to resign in favor of Nehru & himself, and against Bose so he could be
held responsible for the mass resignations.

Gandhi also provided "moral support" to the British in WWII, even against the
will of most of the Congress party members. He even urged Indian youth to
join British forces to fight for the "Queen".

His methods of truth and non-violence weren't unknown to the mankind, as
Buddha and Christ practised the same well ahead before him. He was merely
following the teachings and preachings of other leaders. But I do respect him
for that. I also like the fact that he remained vegetarian for the rest of his life.

I also accuse him of being overly selfish, and not taking enough care of his wife
and children. He also admired the British superiority over others. Remember,
alternate history is usually ignored by the coming generations, and what remains
is a vague representation of the personna - good or evil.

Overall, I like Gandhi as a person. He achieved some great things, but he had
his share of failings and bad deeds, like any other common man. As a great
leader of our Nation or Rashtrapita, I think he falls a little short of it.

 

[freakanomics]

This discussion is going over the line, i think. And mediator, don't call me as someone looking for an opportunity to stick their nose up bcoz my xams just ended. Well, i am not with any one of u guyz. I started this thread to discuss whether raw force works against terrorists or "satyagraha". And i didn't start this thread to discuss how good Gandhiji was as a politician.
Have a debate about THE topic, not "around" the topic.

 

[mediator]

@freakanomics......Chillll man! When did I quoted u in mah posts? Till now I only replied to @freshreasons and @digital_fan! I never said anything against u or ur posts!

And mediator, don't call me as someone looking for an opportunity to stick their nose up bcoz my xams just ended.

For the opportunity stuff I said this about @digital_fan. Or are u the same person with different alias??

Neways @digital_fan and @freshreasons.........I guess u wont like what @yamaraja has said! But thats the truth. But thats not the complete truth! Thats why I said to watch TV debates, listen to historians instead of blabbering out what ur history teacher told u or u read in history books!
Its all history! So lets not talk about it...... Ok? Let the "Gandhiji Politican?" debate end here like "Vande mataram" one did or if u still wanna get enlightened then open another thread!

So please talk about satyagraha and what all I asked u in my previous posts!

 

[mediator]

@digital_fan , @freshreasons.....say something kids! Whole more than 1 day has passed and I see from the status that u come 3-4 times in the forums!
When I wasnt speaking properly due to exams and going easy on u.....u were boasting...and @freshreasons making comments like "I post the last win" and "I leave u". What a joke!!
Its not even 6-7 pages of this thread and @freshreasons making pathetic comments like that!

Now forget the exams and when I just began gearing up, u chickened out? Why do u guys step in a thread in which u dont have guts to continue? Oh palllleeease entertain me! I expected a good debate from u! where are u guys....I'm missing u!!

 

[freshseasons]

@digital_fan , @freshreasons.....say something kids! Whole more than 1 day has passed and I see from the status that u come 3-4 times in the forums!
When I wasnt speaking properly due to exams and going easy on u.....u were boasting...and @freshreasons making comments like "I post the last win" and "I leave u". What a joke!!
Its not even 6-7 pages of this thread and @freshreasons making pathetic comments like that!

Now forget the exams and when I just began gearing up, u chickened out? Why do u guys step in a thread in which u dont have guts to continue? Oh palllleeease entertain me! I expected a good debate from u! where are u guys....I'm missing u!!

Ok Im not going to Flame you! The reason i didint post was i am getting damn bored of fighting you. And i am not going to play " answer mine this and answer mine that" with you.. Somehow it is really difficult for me Gobbling each and every word of your forget answering them.
And Thanks for missing us! Somehow i cant comment the same. But thanks a ton. I mean Jesus ! Why the hell i'm fighting you! You are a miracle to Male species! For the sentences you type here i can just imagine how much you can talk.Wow next time i have a wife who just wouldnt shutup i know what to do! I will have a friend in you. A Slap from male species to Female. Ok Females Arm your selves , we males have our own Chatter Box.
And thank God theres Australia India Cricket match Today! Your Last few posts almost made me forget that i too could be Having a Tv at home. (Surprise even my cable shows the TV debates if you thought otherwise)
Finally ...Thanks for all. You will be a true Friend.

 

[mandar-seo]

Hey, Bollywood again proved its massive people mobilizing power. The surfacing of the question after the release of Munnabhi proved it. When mere movie can provoke many minds question about Satyagrah you can imagine the power of Satyagrah.

In my opinion, the war against terrorism can be won by Satyagrah. And mind me nothing can be as easiest as Satyagraha for this. Who are providing terrorists local logistics? Some **** people living in India (I deliberately called them 'people living in India' because true Indian can't help terrorist in this and yes don't mind for ****. I have put it for my own pleasure as I can't call them with any other good adjective).

If we stop them providing local support to take their task to the end line they can not do anything. And Satyagraha tells the same do not support in bad.

With regards,
Mandar Thosar

 

[mediator]

Ok Im not going to Flame you! The reason i didint post was i am getting damn bored of fighting you

Bored of fighting??? What have u done so far that u call its as fighting? U made just one post,the first post with some points and the rest u did was all boasting about ur arrogance,ignorance and ur patheticism.

Fighting??? hahahaha.....What a joke boy!! Not even 2 pages are complete and u call it fighting? and chickening out already??
This comment of urs is like a stereotypical loser who dont see anymore points, boasts when someone stops for sensibilty,for the sake of masses and chickens out when the opponent really gears up!

And i am not going to play " answer mine this and answer mine that" with you.. Somehow it is really difficult for me Gobbling each and every word of your forget answering them.

Why....? Dont u like debating? Why did u entered a debate when ur not thick skinned at all? Neways it a typical nature of softies like u who reflect the nature of CPM leaders who know how to do the blablabla, talk absurd and chicken out when they see that the people are aware of the crap they are blabbering out!

And Thanks for missing us! Somehow i cant comment the same. But thanks a ton. I mean Jesus ! Why the hell i'm fighting you! You are a miracle to Male species

Well I'm dissappointed with u. Yea I was missing u guys indeed. I thought ur stupid posts will entertain me further. Guess u already are enlightened about ur absurdness and all the crap u posted! And male ....a species?? I heard about human species...but this is ridiculous! Yea I'm from human species, male category.....which species are u from?
There are 2 categories : Male and Female. I think ur from other category i.e Non-male and non-female or what shud I call it virtual female?? Huh..what say?

For the sentences you type here i can just imagine how much you can talk.

Thanx for the complement. I can talk a lot! But I dont radiate the absurdity,stupidity,unreasonable ideas like u!

Wow next time i have a wife who just wouldnt shutup i know what to do!

Yea I too know what u'll do. First u'll boast about ur ignorance and arrogance,impotence and then when she'll start u'll chicken out. You see I read ur mind! Cool huh? So easy ...everybody can read ur arrogant,insane mind!
I tell u what to do..... Bring her to me we'll chat and may be some other activities and dont u interfere with us then.

Neways why dont u change ur name from freshseasons to "stalereasons"? That wud suite u perfectly!

I will have a friend in you

I am happy u realised that. A friend is one who shows ur negetivity and wanna improve u by showing ur arrogance,ignorance so that u get enlightened and the world doesnt mocks on u again!
See I'm ur best friend!

A Slap from male species to Female. Ok Females Arm your selves , we males have our own Chatter Box.

Thanx for the compliment again! Hahah! No wonder girls dont like ignorant,unsocialising,pervert,introvert,good for nothing chickens like u who dont make sense in any aspect of life and are only good at chickening out!

And thank God theres Australia India Cricket match Today! Your Last few posts almost made me forget that i too could be Having a Tv at home.

U need a glass of water boy! Neways I didnt know u have an "Idiot box" at home! Neways yea I too agree that a Cricket match is best for a slob coz it doesnt requires any thinking/brains to be applied.

Surprise even my cable shows the TV debates if you thought otherwise)

Nice to hear that. But still u radiate such ignorance? Are u sure u have cable?

Finally ...Thanks for all. You will be a true Friend.

Ahhh....that was soo touching! Thanx for the compliment again!

But please dont run away in the next debate u encounter with me...Ok? I know u will to confirm ur true nature but its a request dont chicken out!

Byeeee.....! Happy cricket Watching!

 

[iMav]

the quickest way to end a war is to loose it ....

 

[arpit_brave]

Terrorists can be won by war.

That time is over when we have defeated the British by Satyagrah. Today only war is the solution of getting rid of terrorists

 

[freshseasons]

Frankly at the grass root level it can by solved by satyagraha.But on day to day basis where there is mass killing of innocent people even Gandhiji said that not replying voilence with voilence is worse than non-voilence.Just Looking at person commiting murder is worse than being the murderer. If the other person treats you with great injustice it can be faught with non-voilence to raise his inner con-science ;however if the person on the other side is fighting with raw ferociaty it should be given fitting reply !

 

[mediator]

^^No offence, but I really dont care what GandhiJi said as u now know about his politics as previously discussed ! But I'm glad u understand where the Satyagraha stands useful and where its useless!
Neways I hope u saw the discussion about Gandhiji that was Aired in several news channels on 2nd October and I hope u now know what I meant by saying something shud be not be discussed!!

 

[tuxfan]

Added a poll

I think Satyagraha against terrorists won't work!

 

[JGuru]

I totally agree with @Tuxfan. If you do a satyagraha today, the next day will be your
last day!!! Today the World has changed in many ways, we can't follow Gandhiji in
totality. Gandhiji's time was different from ours & Satyagraha worked, since people
had more faith in Gandhiji. Now, people don't have faith in themselves or others!!!
They have more faith only in weapons!!! This is the road towards 'self-destruction'.

 

[Anindya]

Listen brothers,
I think we did not get to the root cause of terrorists and how they are funded. If we can answer these two things, i think we will be able to eliminate terrorists from this world. The root cause of terrorists is AMERICA. It is because they want all the countries of the world to bow infront of them. So they are funding the terrorists and directing them to be present in those countries which are against it. Now U people may ask me then why the same thing is not done in India? It is because India is not against them but again dont support them blindly. In one word NEUTRAL. Now how does America do it? Before 2 weeks when Mush was in America he revealed to the world that he had received thousands of dollars from America to handover suspected terrorists from Pakistan. Now this money is rooted to the terrorists through undisclosed channels or most probably through ISI. I hope many will agree with me.