Camera talk...

raja manuel

In the zone
I wonder how long the APSC will last as well, especially at the lower end. A $1,0000+ phone is likely to give you better value than an entry level APSC camera if you are the kind who sticks to the kit lens or doesn't stray far from it. 5X optical zoom in a phone + computational photography means that only the 7D type cameras might survive (which might explain why Olympus launched a $3,000 micro 4/3 camera).
 

izzikio_rage

Technomancer
No, sorry, that's one zero too many. Give it a few years and we might get there, though :)
The iphone XX definitely

But i agree that with computers taking over optic functions like bokeh it might br better value to get a phone that does light feild type photography and simulate all the effects
 

izzikio_rage

Technomancer
Some more thoughts on this, I'm in a wedding and I'm shooting with a manual 50mm 1.4 prime. Essentially all the phones around me have a dual camera and can detect faces and simulate the lens blur of my fast lens. They have high ISO boost and even shoot in low light. Plus they can upload to whatsapp/fb/Google/insta instantly while i have to thether. Even the pros here with flashes, tons of Gmaster and L lenses are not getting the same appreciation as the phone pics.

Guess the change of taste and the ability of the new tech to shoot better means we'll have to improve as well.
 

sujoyp

Grand Master
Some more thoughts on this, I'm in a wedding and I'm shooting with a manual 50mm 1.4 prime. Essentially all the phones around me have a dual camera and can detect faces and simulate the lens blur of my fast lens. They have high ISO boost and even shoot in low light. Plus they can upload to whatsapp/fb/Google/insta instantly while i have to thether. Even the pros here with flashes, tons of Gmaster and L lenses are not getting the same appreciation as the phone pics.

Guess the change of taste and the ability of the new tech to shoot better means we'll have to improve as well.
Amlan you are right...if its not specifically for photography, i have stopped taking my dslr..dslr photos are not soo beautiful out of camera..also people want pics then n there to share the fun..nobody wants to wait.

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sujoyp

Grand Master
And that is the reason i am soo interested in rx10v4 ...it has all tech..great reach..good glass.. 1 inch sensor..wish the price becomes bit reasonable

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raja manuel

In the zone
Yes, we'll have to improve/adapt as well. We'll either have to embrace the mobile world and become mobile shooters as well (I guess we're already part of the way there), or we'll have to use our big boy cameras for stuff that we can't do with a mobile phone, or where instant gratification is not a priority. Mobile phones have wide angle photography pretty well covered, but the long focal length area still stands for the time being, as does greater dynamic range in a single shot. BIF is one example, though even there it is access to the birds that will be very important.
Flash photography is another area where mobile is unlikely to make a big impact. Even though we already have some external flash solutions for mobile (I've heard of them for the iPhone at least) it doesn't have the convenience factor that's a large part of mobile photography's appeal. We are used to lugging around large and heavy pieces of equipment so we're no strangers to inconvenience :)
Another area I can think of is image editing. The quick and dirty editing apps in phones deliver what 99% of what people want, but everyone has photos that look similar. We need to develop a unique look that will also appeal to the 1%.

A different way to look at it is that photography is not just about the photograph; it is also about the experience - the experience of being photographed. It is a small luxury that many people enjoy, like going to a restaurant when they can have the same food delivered at home. Despite the rise of the mobile phone and selfies I have done a lot of portraiture in the last one year which is quite unusual for me.

Speaking for myself, I take photographs for my own pleasure and not necessarily because my photos appeal to others, though it is nice when that happens. Assuming that continues to be true in the years to come, mobile photography is unlikely to affect my approach to photography any more than it already has.

Having said all that, I am aware that someday, and the day may not be far away, I may be the equivalent of someone who still shoots film today. Perhaps I should learn to sing, dance or play music as a Plan B :)
 

izzikio_rage

Technomancer
I'm sure even people who shoot film have their place this is like being a specialist in processing and developing film. The whole craziness of a DSLR might get rendered obsolete soon.

Stuff like this Sony teases smartphones with 3D ToF sensors; may give us a glimpse of future smartphones

In my mind its going to be the ability to tell stories, the ability to get that decisive moment that'll help keep us relevant.

The problem is that most of the learning i do is the tools, lightroom, how to use a function on the camera, how TTL metering works on a flash etc. What would be a great place to learn the story/asthetics part of photography?
 
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raja manuel

In the zone
Story and aesthetics are important for mobile photography too. The difference between mobile cameras and dedicated cameras lie in technical capability and ergonomics. As for learning the art of telling stories, how good is your writing, and how good are you as a raconteur?
A possible way to practice telling stories with a camera is to first write the caption for the photo, then take the photo. This is a technique borrowed from product design - create the product brochure first, then create the actual product.

Next week looks like a big week for Canon: 5 RF lenses and a basic full frame mirrorless camera for a crazy stupid low price. Looks like they are trying to build an ecosystem before they launch their pro series, including a 100 MP MILC.
 

izzikio_rage

Technomancer
Let me try the caption before the photo approach. I also need to find out what a racounter is

If you've seen littlecoal on insta a lot of his photos were phone clicks. Absolutely amazing at story telling and minimalism though
 

billubakra

Conversation Architect
Amlan you are right...if its not specifically for photography, i have stopped taking my dslr..dslr photos are not soo beautiful out of camera..also people want pics then n there to share the fun..nobody wants to wait.

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I'm sure even people who shoot film have their place this is like being a specialist in processing and developing film. The whole craziness of a DSLR might get rendered obsolete soon.

Stuff like this Sony teases smartphones with 3D ToF sensors; may give us a glimpse of future smartphones

In my mind its going to be the ability to tell stories, the ability to get that decisive moment that'll help keep us relevant.

The problem is that most of the learning i do is the tools, lightroom, how to use a function on the camera, how TTL metering works on a flash etc. What would be a great place to learn the story/asthetics part of photography?

Story and aesthetics are important for mobile photography too. The difference between mobile cameras and dedicated cameras lie in technical capability and ergonomics. As for learning the art of telling stories, how good is your writing, and how good are you as a raconteur?
A possible way to practice telling stories with a camera is to first write the caption for the photo, then take the photo. This is a technique borrowed from product design - create the product brochure first, then create the actual product.

Next week looks like a big week for Canon: 5 RF lenses and a basic full frame mirrorless camera for a crazy stupid low price. Looks like they are trying to build an ecosystem before they launch their pro series, including a 100 MP MILC.

Few cents from a noob, I saw a professional photographer using high end phones like the Galaxy's and Pixel's to take photos. His reason- they are less expensive, convenient, takes almost the same quality photos, yes there is a difference between a dslr and a phone's camera but it is negligible. Also he said that the videos can be live streamed. I don't have a dslr and don't use my phone's camera much so can't comment. Will the phone's camera replace the dslr in the future? Not for the enthusiasts I think.
 
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nac

Aspiring Novelist
Yeah, I have seen wedding photographers use phone camera. But that's just an additional thing, they don't cover the whole wedding in phone camera. And I don't remember if they have printed any of those photos in the album, it's just for online publishing in their website, FB etc...
 

sujoyp

Grand Master
Phone camera wont replace dslr anytime..phone camera cant be printed big..it dont have the sharpness..it cant zoom beyond twice yet..sensor too small for any low light usage

What phone camera can do is availibility...its always available so u dont miss any quick snap..

Dslr was never ment to be used for strange pout pics people do with front camera it was for professionals and enthusiasts and will be for them only

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raja manuel

In the zone
The new Canon has arrived - full frame camera for just $1,300. To put that in perspective, the 80D was launched for $1,200. Price includes an extension grip (no battery, just larger grip) and EF lens adapter. Even has an articulating screen. Has some compromises at that price, but has a lot of people excited about being able to finally afford a full frame. The camera is small and very light; reportedly, body + 35 f/1.8 is just 750g, making it a good vacation/walkabout camera.

6 new lenses announced (not launched, they will arrive later this year). Includes three f/2.8 lenses that cover focal lengths from 15mm to 200 mm. The 70-200 is turning a lot of heads because of its very compact form. IBIS is also under development, though I don't think that should surprise anyone. The only question is how well combined lens and body stabilisation will work.

The mirrorless war is in full swing :)
 

sujoyp

Grand Master
When will Nikon anounce there models ..waiting for d760 and an affordable z series in the line of d610.

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izzikio_rage

Technomancer
I'm waiting for a price drop in the sony series, and the new firmware update. The new cams are amazing, probably the first time I'm questioning why I'm in the sony ecosystem
 

raja manuel

In the zone
We appear to be at an interesting crossroads now: a very highly specced APS-C mirrorless, or relatively lower specced full frame for rather similar prices. The good news is that there is something for everyone. The bad news is that we don't know what we will want in future and who will best serve those needs. Canon's current strategy of releasing low(er) end mirrorless with high end lenses is simultaneously reassuring and confusing. Canon have said they will release a pro level R camera only when they can meet expectations, which I assume means whenever they can create a camera to take on Sony and they do not have the capability to do that right now - either that or they are concerned about the profitability of cameras in the current market and prefer to play it safe by releasing drool worthy lenses where they know they can make a lot of money until the market situation is clearer.

I am very curious to know what Nikon is up to. Are they quietly developing something that will stun the world, or just floundering around?
 
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