BJP vs Congress !!

[esumitkumar]

OK guys time to fight ..Whats your take ? Our country is going to civil unrest ..(bomb blasts everywhere, marathi regionalism ..Raj spilling poison,Marathis killing UPites and Biharis etc etc) As Alexander said in the other thread, we should go and vote in the next LS elections the best candidate..Now which party will develop our nation more ?

BJP or Congress ?

My take is BJP ..They are not 100% good but far far better than Congress...
We can see in their regime , even they were not single largest party they had done what Congress hadnt done in 45 years....Lets see their postives and negatives (Source : Wiki):

POSITIVES :

1. The new Government carried out an electoral promise with the 5 nuclear tests at Pokhran, in Rajasthan in 1998, which gave India a weaponised nuclear capacity.

2. Opening the skies to commercial airlines

3. The government especially catered to the rising information technology industry

4. lowered taxes for middle-class Indians and businesses

5. Vajpayee took a personal interest in the Golden Quadrilateral project, a road system which aimed at linking the four corners of the nation with heavy, industrial roads --> MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, MORE JOBS better INDIA

6. They were also thinking of linking rivers but by the time they act, govt was OUT


NEGATIVES :

1. Totally flopped on Kargil (524 Indian soldiers died )

2. KANDHAR HIJACK CASE ---> External Affairs Minister, Jaswant Singh, personally escorted three terrorists to Kandahar in return for the hostages on board a hijacked aircraft. This was shown on discovery full documentary that if Vajapyee had sent Amritsar Police to aircraft, these three terrorist would still be in Indian Jail

3. Unable to prevent or abort Akshardham, Raghunath Mandir, the Parliament and Red Fort attacks. Afzal Guru, convicted in the Parliament House attack case, had been arrested and let off two months before the incident took place

4. Tehelka sting operation caught the BJP president, Bangaru Laxman, accepting Rs 1 lakh in cash from journalists pretending to be defence dealers



Some of the professed goals of the BJP are:

1. The Repeal of Article 370 of the Constitution, which prevents non-Kashmiris, including Hindus who have fled the area due to increasing terrorism, from owning property in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. The Promulgation of a Uniform Common Civil Code, which create only one personal and civil law code for Hindus, Muslims and Christians, who enjoy the privilege of having law codes tailored to their religious culture over personal and family matters. In the minds of BJP supporters, this system creates a sense of division in the country between religious communities.
3. A Ban on Cow Slaughter, to honor the Hindu tradition of deeming cows and most cattle as sacred, and prohibiting the consumption of beef and pork.
4. The Ban on Forcible Religious Conversions
5. The Construction of the Ram Janmabhoomi temple in Ayodhya.
6. To achieve the full territorial and political integration of Jammu and Kashmir with India. Presently over 40% of the territory is under the control of Pakistan and China.

UNIFORM CIVIL CODE I fully agree ..Why there should be any discrimination between Indians ?

BJP has enacted POTA----> terrorism major control
Golden Quadrilateral, Nuclear test etc etc..These can only really develop our nation...Congress has removed it and now u can see whats happening in our country..BLASTS everywhere ...

We can see BJP ruled states like Gujarat, HP etc are doing much more good than Congress rules states...

SO IMO BJP is far far better than Congress at any time.. What do u guys say ?

 

[swatkat]

UNIFORM CIVIL CODE I fully agree ..Why there should be any discrimination between Indians ?

BJP has enacted POTA----> terrorism major control
Golden Quadrilateral, Nuclear test etc etc..These can only really develop our nation...Congress has removed it and now u can see whats happening in our country..BLASTS everywhere ...
We can see BJP ruled states like Gujarat, HP etc are doing much more good than Congress rules states...

SO IMO BJP is far far better than Congress at any time.. What do u guys say ?

+1... Now India is being ruled by a bunch of worthless people... WTF, we are having almost daily dosage of bombs and nobody cares about it... I know that there are corrupt people in both BJP and Cong (as a matter of fact, all parties), but BJP is little better (read cleaner) than others IMO... However for the time being, India needs POTA+Modi to cleanup things....

 

[esumitkumar]

^^Thanks Swatty..ur 100% correct..Lets see when Narendra bhai will become PM
w8ing for other digitians opinions....

 

[anispace]

yah right BJP is good. Have u read the news lately. BJP is directly or indirectly linked with the culprits accused in the Malegoan blasts. The whole Godhra fiasco, Babri Masjid demolition. All BJP.

Even as the opposition, they suck. They vetoed the Nuke deal even though they themselves initiated it. Just for petty politics.

Though the Congress also isnt much better, compared with the BJP they are tolerable.

But I do agree with Narendra Modi being a good chief minister. He is like a CEO who is running Gujarat efficiently even though he again was involved in the whole Godhra disaster.

Frankly all political parties in India are bad... the question is who is less worse compared to the other.

 

[swatkat]

@sumit,
Hahaha.... Okay... But, it all depends on us (voters/citizens) too.... Things will not magically improve when a certain party comes into power... We are too much adjusted to corruption, sh!tty politics etc to such an extent that we think they are a part of the system.... We have to wake up.... I am not saying to go and kill people in Robin Hood style, things can start at grass root level - like, for example, sticking to traffic rule (have you driven in Bangalore )... Ha! This feels like a film story which will flop for sure (Yuva, anyone?)...

@anispace,
I am not interested in starting a flamewar here... But, you may want to check out this... One has to think about/respect the other side of the story as well

 

[esumitkumar]

@ Anispace ..everybody has their opinions thats y I started this thread..Also please vote in polling button....

@swatty..ur rite..that things will not change in one day...like somebody is throwing garbage @ road..if u see..u shud make them understand..that plz throw in dustbin..not road ..but the work of govt is to make sure there is proper garbage collection system and those ppl come on time

Malegaon blasts --> Just wait for some more time..to see what is the truth ...Its still not very clear

Godhra Fiasco--do u know who incited it first ? I also believe Narendra was wrong..in revenging all that..cuz fight is not a solution..Peace is..but when one side sings Peace Peace and other has already started war..then ????

Babri Masjid -- I really feel this is useless issue..making ram Mandir or Babri Masjid there wouldnt solve the problems of a common man...so better to leave this past

now coming to point ---> Congress govt is so nikammi(ineffecient) govt that blasts had happened in each major city of India and still that MF S Pa*il is saying Please maintain peace ...

Also whats happening in MH..Raj is roaming here n there like chuttta saaand and inciting ppl..and Vilasrao Deshmukh is doing nothing ... ..Even Sonia and Manmohan are saying "Please ensure safety" and still ppl are killing each other..Had BJP been in centre , they would have been immediately expelled the govt. but Congress will never do that ...

BJP has flaws too but anytime much better than Congress

Thats my Q : Both have -ves...but who is more better than other

 

[manishjha18]

i am for narendra bhai--he really works

 

[krinish]

A very controversial thread. No BJP, No congress.

BJP - Too agressive
Congress - Too Linient.

Both of them miserable failures.

Any one knows what happened to all the finalists. The last 20 candidates of the Lead India campaign. They were soo promising, but turned out to be nothing. Times of India just stopped after soo much fuss

Cant a corporate house sponsor/support them to form a independent party. If i were a millionaire, i would hire every single one of them, and well you know what im coming too.....

 

[mediator]

Well Mr.Shiv Khera launched his party, the Bhartiya Rashtravadi Samanata Party (BRSP), FYI !!

@esumitkumar : I concur with u. But in the end they all just turn out to be a bunch of hypocrites! Just remove this stewpid sharia'h system as well and tell the apologists to go to Paki if they want it that desperately after all thats why INDIA was divided. Let the uniform civil code & family planning come into existence.

 

[esumitkumar]

Well the need of the nation irrespective of any Indian's religion is :

1. Uniform civil code
2. Population Control
3. Development in all states not just Delhi,Mumbai,Chennai,Pune,Hyd etc
4. End of corruption
5. Better roads,highways and no power shortage
6. Stopping illegal immigration of Bangladeshis.

I beleive only BJP can achieve these goals if not all atleast some..

and yes 59 views and only 9 votes..common ppl ..choose ur option if not posting atleast !

 

[karnivore]

Whether we need Uniform Civil Code can be debated. But UCC at this point of time, or in the next 50 years is next to impossible. Also, a lot of people don't seem to realise that UCC would also mean the repeal of HUF Act, Hindu Marriage Act etc. which, a lot of hindu zealots would find unacceptable.

Congress or BJP - all the same. Both suck in their own strange ways. BJP, however, has broken the suck barrier and is heading from super suck to hyper suck. Congress is about to break that barrier.

1. Uniform civil code
2. Population Control
3. Development in all states not just Delhi,Mumbai,Chennai,Pune,Hyd etc
4. End of corruption
5. Better roads,highways and no power shortage
6. Stopping illegal immigration of Bangladeshis.

I beleive only BJP can achieve these goals if not all atleast some..

1. Not possible.
2. Agreed, but not the Chinese way
3. Agreed
4. Keep dreaming
5. Agreed
6. Keep dreaming

BJP is run by a bunch of nincompoops. And Congress by sycophants.

 

[esumitkumar]

@karnivore ..can u post some facts other than I and anispace had posted that really how BJP sucks ?? and congress is less sucking ?

Also regd UCC, if enacted how it can repeal Hindu Marriage act ?

What kind of country is ours where one Indian can have four wives legally and another Indian on having 2nd wife is jailed legally ???

Also these are 2 major political parties of India..No govt is possible without the support of any one of them ! We have only two options in next LS and how can u be so ignorant ? Thats y for ppl like u ..I have posted the third option ..I will sit lame@home..I dont bother WTH is going in my nation as long as I am comfortable ...If u want that plz vote at least that option...

FOR ALL PPL if u want to suggest some other party I can put other parties name too if u want in poll..but PLZ VOTE !!

 

[karnivore]

@karnivore ..can u post some facts other than I and anispace had posted that really how BJP sucks ?? and congress is less sucking ?

Also regd UCC, if enacted how it can repeal Hindu Marriage act ?

What kind of country is ours where one Indian can have four wives legally and another Indian on having 2nd wife is jailed legally ???

Also these are 2 major political parties of India..No govt is possible without the support of any one of them ! We have only two options in next LS and how can u be so ignorant ? Thats y for ppl like u ..I have posted the third option ..I will sit lame@home..I dont bother WTH is going in my nation as long as I am comfortable ...If u want that plz vote at least that option...

FOR ALL PPL if u want to suggest some other party I can put other parties name too if u want in poll..but PLZ VOTE !!

Sorry to disappoint you buddy, but I don't sit pretty at home during the poll day. None of the three options u provided suite me in any way. So no vote.

As with repeal of Hindu Marriage Act. Can you tell me why should there be a Hindu Marriage Act, when the entire Civil Code is to be Uniform. And please provide some proof, any proof, from a reliable source, not some random hindu propaganda site, that people do have "four wives legally". Dig the census report 2001, and you might just be a little surprised.

To determine, what constitutes "suck", we have to have a debate. Nevertheless some sucks are, pushing pseudo-science as mainstream science, rewriting history, communal overtures, using public money for political campaign (Shining India), disastrous plan of unification of rivers etc. The only good thing that came out of that 6 years of rule, was the road building project.

 

[Anorion]

I can see by the poll results that major anti-incubancy is happening here. The Congress are a bunch of thieves, and the BJP are a bunch of clowns. Who do I pick? Hmmm... Think the BJP is going totally wrong on issues like Cow Slaughter and Ayodhya, this is just pleasing to a particular religion, and I believe that such a line should not be taken when it comes to national politics. On the other hand, I totally respect Sushma Swaraj, and believe her policies to be socially sound. Chidambaram just messed up the economy, and no one is happy with the congress at this point of time. What I hate most about the Congress is that they are turning India into America - totally ignoring the "mixed economy" in the constitution. Liberalisation was a bad move.
However, at least the Congress has its act together. The country has progressed only when they have been in power, and they do have people who show results and work instead of playing politics. Yeah they use dubious means and stuff, but they get things done - widening the class divide, and throwing principles out of the window, but what the hell.

The whole thing is however besides the point. When you vote, don't vote for the party you want in power in the center, vote for the person who will directly benefit the location you stay in. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

I for one, won't vote. 25 million phantom voters in the last count, I will play no part in the world's largest farce.

 

[karnivore]

...totally ignoring the "mixed economy" in the constitution. Liberalisation was a bad move.

It wasn't by choice, mind you. Oil pool crisis led to liberalization. Once that step was taken, there was no turning back.

 

[anispace]

@swatcat
I know the other side of the story. But destroying a Mosque to make way for a temple. They call themselves Rambhakts and this is what they do in the name of Lord Ram. There is simply no justification for that.

@esumitkumar
I just gave my opinion. didnt want to offend u or anyone.

And as i said they both suck but Congress sucks less. Just look at the whole Nuke deal debate. The BJP had no reason to oppose the deal but they did anyway just to bring down the govt.


Also the current economic spiral cant be entirely blamed on congress coz its affecting the entire world n not just India.

 

[ancientrites]

i will always support congress.


what this nonsense "A Ban on Cow Slaughter, to honor the Hindu tradition of deeming cows and most cattle as sacred, and prohibiting the consumption of beef and pork"


small examples below
It is mentioned in Manu Smruti, the law book of Hindus! In chapter 5 verse 30 “The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad! even if he does it day after day; for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater
If you read Mahabharata Shanti Parva chapter 29, a story of greatness of a king called Rantideva is described It is said that he was very rich and generous, and used to feed thousands of guests. The paragraph reads as follows

“All the vessels and the plates, in Rantideva's palace, for holding food and other articles, all the jugs and other pots, the pan and plates and cups, were of gold. On those nights during which the guests used to live in Rantideva's abode, twenty thousand and one hundred kine {cows} had to be slaughtered. Yet even on such occasions, the cooks, decked in ear-rings, used to proclaim (amongst those that sat for supper) “There is abundant of soup, take as much as you wish, but of flesh we have not as much today as on former occasions"

This shows that even after slaughtering 20,100 cows, meat used to fall short on some occasions.

The Ban on Forcible Religious Conversions.
every person has right to do anything which he thinks its proper i mean if he feels christian or islam are good religion and he converts whats wrong with it?.It is upto the ppl who can defend its religion against christian missionaries,muslim scholars or hindu scholars by debates,discussion.i saw debate between Dr zakir naik and Shri shri shri Ravishankar.That zakir dude was pretty impressive.

I am not criticizing hindus infact they are most intelligent and beautiful ppl in our country but its just that i am against BJP,VHP and hindu taliban

all said done

 

[rhitwick]

I was a die hard supporter of BJP when Vajpayee was PM, but he has taken retire and I couldn't even decide whgo shoul I vote now.
All r equal now.
No good leader may be some r good person but good leader.

 

[esumitkumar]

Sorry to disappoint you buddy, but I don't sit pretty at home during the poll day

so wat do u do ? u go to vote or not ..?

As with repeal of Hindu Marriage Act. Can you tell me why should there be a Hindu Marriage Act, when the entire Civil Code is to be Uniform

I am not supporting HMA..I am saying one UCC should be enacted for everybody who is present in India no matter what he is...(One Indian can take divorce by saying talaq talaq talaq and another Indian has to run to courts for years to take divorce ! Why this partiality ? ) do u know concept of Jury duty in US ? Once u become an american citizen , u cant refuse from jury duty saying ur religion doesnt allow it

Another classic example is reservation..One Indian and his all next generations get a special quota ..they get admission with lower marks and another Indian who has scored higher in entrance exam is not given admission as he is not SC/ST/OBC..again fking discrimination !

And please provide some proof, any proof, from a reliable source, not some random hindu propaganda site, that people do have "four wives legally".

I know ppl dont have now four wives but why their law still allows four wives ?? Even if some Indian has 4 wives police will not catch him just cuz he is of a particular religion

disastrous plan of unification of rivers etc.

well how can u say that was disastrous ? If in Assam,Bihar there is always flood and in Rajasthan,Gujarat there is always "SOOKHA" or no rain. whats the problem in linking the rivers ???? Please explain your point in detail

The only good thing that came out of that 6 years of rule, was the road building project.

at least u agree to one point ..but how about Nuclear test ? do u consider it useless ? in spite of all threats frm Pak and China ! Why Congress had not the guts to do it again after 1974 ? They were just freaking afraid of USA ? In congress I adore only one PM and that was Indira Gandhi !! we need some ironlady/ironman as PM not some lallu panju !

Think the BJP is going totally wrong on issues like Cow Slaughter and Ayodhya...this is just pleasing to a particular religion

How ? India is a Hindu Majority country ! and in our religion cow is considered as mother...
Whats the harm in banning cow slaughter ?

Our country is the most secular..We dont have any problem peacefully living with other religions...In fact Hindu Dharma is the most tolerant of all religions...and Its in India only we can have a Muslim President, Sikh PM and first woman PM..in the whole world..I have many Muslim close frnds and I never differentiate b/w them and my Hindu frnds !

Have u ever seen Pakistan's state of Affairs ? How Hindu minority is living there ? How free are they to practice their religion and worship ?

Also I had already expressed my opinion about Ayodhya !

Chidambaram just messed up the economy

++1..fully agree

However, at least the Congress has its act together. The country has progressed only when they have been in power

WOW..what a gr8 point..see some of amazing works done by congress from 1947-1999.

(READ ALL IN SARCASM..the truth is just opposite)

1. We have beaten China in 1962 war and occupied most of the China area near Arunachal Pradesh.Chacha Nehru's mantra "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai" has really worked

2. We are getting in every part of India 24 hrs power supply, safe drinking water,crime free society etc etc

3. Our roads are super freeways, Even American freeways and German Autobahns are nothing as compared to our roads

4. Our population is record lowest . Its lower even than America.( 33 crores)

5. We have fastest railways in whole world . Germany,France and Japan have borrowed Bullet Train technolgies from us..We have so much fast trains that we can reach from Delhi to Mumbai in just 3 hrs. (1407 kms)

6. We have totally stopped cross firing from BDR (Bangaladesh Rifles) In fact we have totally stopped Illegal Immigration ..Its a thing from the past

7. We are the most corrupt free country in the world

8. BY all above ..our economy is so strong that 1 Rs= 45 $ now


TOO MUCH hai na

The whole thing is however besides the point. When you vote, don't vote for the party you want in power in the center, vote for the person who will directly benefit the location you stay in. That is how democracy is supposed to work.

++1 ..OK so in ur area..Congress has worked ? so vote for them na ?

I for one, won't vote. 25 million phantom voters in the last count, I will play no part in the world's largest farce.

Thats the gr8est thing which most educated ppl do ...Please dont vote and play safe..Country BJP chalaye ya congress mujhe kya ????? Mere ko kya fark padega ? right ? aisa hee soch k hazaron lakho ppl dont vote..they dont voice their opinion..so who wins..not democracy..but only a handful powerful ppl who want to always remain in power !

If you have read all this..Thanks !

@anispace

I am not offended...we are just having a healthy debate ..thats it ..thnx for ur concern
and ya abt destroying a mosque..Babar had the full right to destroy a temple and karsevaks dont have right to undo what crime he has done ??? I also dont support this type of demolition though...

For ages and ages, first it was British who divided India and now stupid netas are dividing us in the name of religion , regionalism etc etc ..Illiterate ppl are getting all this s**t and we all educated one are not voting

and ya NUke deal..thats a lotta debatable issue..can u plz tell pros and cons according to u

I am also agreeing BJP is not 100% good but at least if they are 70% Congress is just 40-45 %

and ya no one is blaming congress for US recession

@ancientrites

There were many things said in religious books........kya tum sabko maante ho ?
Those things were in old times ..Todays things are changed in today's perspective ...
This is human nature we bend all things said as acc to our comfort

and also BJP is not taliban..I am not talking abt RSS etc . In BJP regime how many minorities have been denied all civil rights ? u know why narendra won again..One of my frnds frm Ahmbd was saying even some Muslims vote for Narendra ..y ? cuz he has done a whole lot of dev in the state

and that zakir dude is pretty BS u can find on orkut many hate communities abt him ...its a propaganda and brainwashing !


@rhitwick

BJP just needs a rework I think..Party after Vajapyee had fallen to regional chaos and fight amongst themselves..They have gone from their core Hindutva, UCC etc principles..thats why most ppl are unhappy wid them

May be Narendra can correct that..have u seen in TOI exit polls whats gonna happen in Delhi..BJP will wipe out all majority in forthcoming delhi elections

 

[mehra.rakesh]

BJP is a better party for corporates & business houses ... if they do good naturally the middle classes do good tooo... The problem is the party is in shatters at the moment ...... plus too many hawks are present in the party which scares me ...

Status Quo of article 370 shud be maintained ,, besides it wont be possible to repeal it in a single term of the gov ..

I ain't gonna vote for some party who decides what do i eat ... next thing you know we wud be heading the taliban way with tanks crushing seized liqour en masse ....

Building Ramjanbhoomi temple in ayodhya :::: If they do manage to build a temple i wud be the first one to go there to destroy the temple and build a hospital instead ... Rather even if the logistics dont permit i wud build a nuclear reactor over there . Try & blow that up HAHAHA

still thrs time 4 elections .. i wud be happier to vote 4 manmohan singh with his idiot cabint rather than advani with hawks.......


LOLLING ROFLING at the guy who said liberalizing was a mistake .... by all probabilities DIGIT wudn't have existed so wud have dozens of other start ups including 4m the IT & BPO industry .....