Apple expensive? I don't think so...

[Aberforth]

@Aberforth: I was waiting for your reply. It seems you are the only person here who speaks to the point and makes sensible posts. I've added a rep.

Thank you very much for the compliment, it is appreciated.

And I do agree that there are better choices out there if you want a computer for gaming and a Mac is not the ideal choice, specially on a tight budget.

Well I prefer a laptop with more future protection as I cannot go on changing laptops in, say a year, I budgeted upto Rs. 100000/- for the purpose. Mac OS X was definitely nice, especially that installed programs do not mess up with the system itself. But it did not satisfy my gaming needs and I could not find anything that justifies the price as I (and some of my friends) do not like the design and as I think Mac OS X is comparable to Open Suse 10.1 or even latest, Fedora Core 6.0 (Fedora Core is better in the driver point of view if FC 6.0 were not riddled with bugs). Sony was out of the question as it is grossly overpriced, even more so than a Mac. I would have bought Del for the design+features for a higher price only if I could physically check a model out.

But how can I totally accept that it does not install drivers for hardware, when it does so for every piece of hardware I connect to it?

I did not say that as I know it is illogical and impossible. Windows needs drivers to recognise and hardware but it did install silently (except my SE w700i). My keyboard, mouse and joystick worked as instantly as I connected them, so perhaps Windows had a repository of Logitech devices in its drivers.

Even on the digit forum, today is the first time a mentally capable person has expressed disapproval for an Apple's product's design, and that has been you.

I do not disapprove apple's design I have seen it design some products very good. It improved from iPod's bulky design to a much better iPod Nano, same goes with the old Power PC based iMacs. I think it could have done better on the notebook front, not everyone is impressed by that white/black pearl look, it could make a metallic finish like Vaio and Fijitsu or techno look like Dell - these three companies I have seen make the best designs. Dell and Sony have a great flaunt value too, as much as, if not more than Apple.

 

[NikhilVerma]

e) much better operating system than Windows crap and

I want to know why you said windows CRAP ? You yourself said that people should provide facts and not just rant about things ? Windows is definately not crap ... not by a long shot ...

 

[anandbatra]

Wow. We've got ppl using fake ids here. Never though it'd go to this.

Anyways, here is a CNET comparison of a Dell XPS and MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro turns out to be $523 cheaper than the dell. Granted that the dell has a better gfx card, but no GFX card can bring down the huge difference in price. Just proves the baseless claims wrong.

I'd like to put a couple of quotes here

Martin Luther King
I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.

Gautam Buddh
The way to overcome the angry man is with gentleness, the evil man with goodness, the miser with generosity and the liar with truth

Source- *blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=211

Looking for a new computer for multimedia, games, or software development? If you're like me you've probably always heard Apple Macs carried a price premium over machines from companies such as Dell. I decided to put that belief to the test by comparing the prices on two similarly configured notebook computers.


In particular I compared the Dell XPS M1710 with the Apple M17-inch MacBook Pro. Both notebooks were configured with the following components:

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 (2.33GHz, 4MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB) processor
17-inch wide screen display
256MB dedicated 3D graphics card
2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHZ (2 DIMM)
100GB 7200rpm SATA Hard Drive
CD/DVD Burner (DVD+/-RW)
Integrated Audio
Standard battery
Internal Bluetooth (2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
Internal 802.11g wireless
DVD and movie editing software
1Yr Ltd Warranty
Customer support (at least 30 days)
Total price (before taxes and shipping) as of 03Dec2006 10:30pm EST:

Dell: $3,222
Apple: $2,699
Difference: $523
Of course, the computers could not be configured *exactly* the same way but I tried to get them as close as possible. Here are some of the differences that favored the Mac:

Includes a built-in camera for video conferencing.
Thinner and lighter than the Dell (6.8 lbs., 1.0 in. vs. 8.7 lbs., 1.6").
Longer customer support (90 days vs. 30 days)
Back-lit keyboard.
And here are some that favored the Dell machine:

Higher screen resolution (1920×1200 vs. 1680×1050).
It has more USB 2.0 ports (6 vs. 4) but fewer FireWire ports (1 vs. 2).
Dell's Wi-fi card also supports 802.11a.
Dell's warranty covers in-home service, while Apple's is mail-in only.
Both companies carry many other models, and the customization possibilities are endless. But for these particular configurations, Apple comes out the clear price leader. Surprised?

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As for screens, I'd like rational people to read this post.

*forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=252327&highlight=LCD+dell+apple

This is an explanation why certain brands of LCDs are more expensive, and why other brands are cheaper.
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I think it could have done better on the notebook front, not everyone is impressed by that white/black pearl look, it could make a metallic finish like

MacBook Pro has had a metallic finish since two-three generations, I'd dare say.

Here are some MBP pics from neowin.

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Dell and Sony have a great flaunt value too, as much as, if not more than Apple.

It's about personal taste, isn't it? Not everyone likes Gul Panag or Minissha Lamba.

 

[mediator]

If the same comment had been posted by a person like you or tech_your_future, you would have seen a much better reply from me. The temperament varies from person-to-person. When the whole world is praising the design of Apple products, you come up here and say that it is 'pathetic' and do not expect to get a nasty reply? Maybe you, as a person who uses computers for doing his job and getting done with it, might not feel strongly about your possessions but I, a person totally devoted to anything to do with technology, do. That reply was meant for a person who defended the comparably tough installation precedure (specially the partition) of Linux by saying that it was not a part of the experience of the end-user and then frustrated the hell out of me explaining me the dictionary definitions of 'system administrator' and 'network manager' and whatnot! Since he is a guy who said rude things about my parents, I have no business showing any respect to him. The fact that I am refraining from flaming him personally reflects my tolerance levels, IMHO

Ok, u mentioned me once again. So let me clear some doubts.
I don't care what the whole world is saying or not saying. I hope u agree that opinions shud be independent and every person shud have a freedom of speech, dont u?? Marking it(MacBook's design) as "pathetic" shudn't bother u if u think its design is great. Why make such an issue out of it??

About end-users experience it seems u still have doubts. I already explained dozen of times. But allow me to enlighten u one last time.
U r installing Linux on ur PC,administering it,developing programs and njoying it as well. So in this condition there resides a system admin/maintainner, developer and end-user in u. Since u asked about end-users experience specifically and firmly in that thread and already suppressed some of Linux advantages in first post of urs, I thought u wud be knowing what end-user is. But all the way u come crying and showing that u didn't even know what end-users stand for and there u were starting a thread when u didn't even know what "end-user" mean. These are not dictionary definitions brother. I referred u some books to read. U didn't even read em. So I again urge u to read em.

If u think installation part is difficult in Linux the mark it as difficult in experience of admin/maintainer. Why end-user?? I hope atleast now the point is clear.

About ur parents, can u tell what rude things I said???? Did I flame em???
I only said if such a thing as u discussed in those posts is discussed normally in ur family too. Its quite clear and obvious that when a person talks egoistically, with terms as "loser", "funny" and other demoralising statments, then the society thinks that the same scenario prevails in his family and surroundings too. Isn't it?? Did I flame ur parents?? I already neglected all ur flames in those posts and didn't even marked u as stupid though the same "stupid" term is allowed by @raaabo or @digitadmin in one of the threads I'm subscribed tooo. Its UFO one I think. So I never said rude things about ur parents. I was about to clarify this itself earlier too when @fatbeing closed this thread before my post, letting me clarify and warned us. I never indulge anyone's parents in debates. But thats how debates are done by saying as I did with the use of statments => if "the same scenario prevails in ur family" or "ur family has thought u such a language".

GO ask any respected elder in ur family and u'll know what I'm talking about.

So I hope there is no misunderstanding between u and me.

 

[aryayush]

Almost every one of your replies to my posts had comments like "do you tell your father to shut up when he tries to enlighten you", "do you call your dad a liar too when he teaches you something", when I once asked you to 'shut up', you replied by saying 'ask your dad to do that' or something to that effect. I cannot quote your exact words because Raabo has cleared up every post you made relating to my family (which, in itself, signifies how offensive they were) but I will never forget them in a hurry. And this was your last post:

are fu**er, sucker, bloody, kidding , etc. the only polite words your mommy taught you

Any living human being who respects his/her mother would find that immensly offensive. If you do not, you have to re-think your priorities. Such petty debates are not important enough to bring in the mention of someone's parents into it. Who gave you the right to even mention them, let alone suggesting that they taught me swear words?
And then you post this:

I never indulge anyone's parents in debates.

I do not know how much respect your have for your parents, nor do I think that I have any authority to question it, but you should never ever relate anything a person does to his parents. There are a lot of people out there who watch pornographic movies and visit third grade places. Try telling one of them that you think that their parents taught them such things. Or try telling one of the mods something like what you posted about me. They won't even bother miserabling you!

 

[FatBeing]

Thread closed.

Not only does it flog a dead horse, some excessively immature people have decided to hijack it.

Mediator, aryayush, brutality: take 1 week of misery to go read up on proper debate etiquette.