Apple expensive? I don't think so...

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  1. aryayush

    aryayush New Member

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    Apple (Macintosh) vs. Microsoft (Windows)

    I have written my first ever article on technology and wouldn't mind if a few people had a look at it. Please click on this sentence to read the article and leave a comment if possible! Thank you!
    I have posted this in the 'Fight Club' because this is a debatable topic and I would like to know how many people disagree with me and their reason for doing so. :)
     
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    The cheapest Mac (according to apple's site) is costing 62,900 bucks.
    http://www.asia.apple.com/store/india/TheAppleStore_iMac.htm
    They have also given the specs. Even though I have not updated myself with the price of the hardware lately but an assembled PC with those specs will not cost you more than 40K at the max. I still think Apple is expensive...
     
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    iMav The Devil's Advocate

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    apple is not expensive :confused::confused:!!!! .... no comments
     
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    I dont think Mac is expensive Quality comes @ price
     
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    QwertyManiac Commander in Chief

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    It certainly isnt 'expensive' but it is definitely higher than other solutions available. And no, you can not game on it fellow gamers :)
     
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    mail2and Walking, since 2004.

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    Aryaayush, I'd recommend you to post your article at forums such as macnn.com, macrumors.com or appleinsider.com. If you want a critical review of your article, which is related to Apple/Macs, you're not likely to get it here. The knowledge about Apple/Macs in this forum is abysmally low.

    Most of the people who have replied above haven't even cared to read your article, leave aside reviewing it. Someone said that the cheapest Mac costs 62k. First, the cheapest Mac i.e. Mac Mini costs around 30-32k. Second, the price of iMac mentioned on Apple's India catalog store is MRP. Most dealers, especially the big ones, will sell the computer to you at a lesser price.

    What people fail to understand or do not understand is that a branded computer can not compete with an assembled computer. However, the level of support, warranty and consequently, service experience differs. Read about my experience with AppleCare here.
     
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    eddie El mooooo

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    ...and he talked about Mac Mini in his article? For god's sake man...you can't compare apples to oranges. He was clearly talking about Mac...not Mac mini. Just look at the specs he mentioned. Please read the article again and get the essence of it before flaming everyone
    Yes...the dealers will sell it at 40K...sure...why not...may be they will give me one for free :roll:
    In what ways? If you just talk about customer care then I would like to ask you that how many times did you call the Mac Care or their executive visit you in one year? Divide 20,000 bucks with that number...that is how much your each call cost you. Was it worth it? If yes...then you are just a rich guy with loads of money to throw down the drain.
     
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    Is it able to compete with a PC of similar price, I don't think it is.May be the PC don't have the look, but I love it.
     
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    mail2and Walking, since 2004.

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    Lol. First, it is not a 'Mac'. It is an 'iMac'. There are different Macs: MacBook Pro, MacBook, Mac Mini, iMac, PowerMac, eMac. Not exactly apples to oranges.

    Second, it is obvious that you do not know a single mac dealer. I personally got my Mac Mini for 35k when the MRP was 39k. Now, i'd request you to get the 'essence' of the topic at hand.

    Third, I'd request you to get the same rig at 40k :) With a monitor. Check the internal components of any mac and you'll see why it is around 4-5k expensive than a similar PC config.

    IBm(Lenovo) portables on the PC side are expensive, as well. The reason? They use high quality parts.

    Now for some Accounts lessons. A company has to spend on advertising, customer care, offices. They have a huge employee base. They have to maintain an acceptable margin to keep the shareholders happy. The chain goes like Manufacturer->Company->You

    Whereas, when you buy an assembled computer, these costs are not incurred. Hence, assembled computers are cheaper.

    And for the personal remark in your post, I will not reply to it. You can think of me as anyone you want. I don't care.
     
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    At the price of a mac I can build a PC that I bet will be much more powerful than the mac. So PC= more performance-per-rupees.
     
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    ermm...and that would get me the iMac at 40K? You are getting so happy about 4 thousand bucks and I am talking about more than 23K here...please get the picture...
    The OP talks about a system costing 63K bucks in his article...not 35K...

    If you ever come down to Delhi in near future...give Nehru Place a try. The experience will be an eye opener for you...

    4-5K? I am talking about 23K here. They are gold plating the internal components or what?

    Yes they ask Intel to make high quality CPUs for them...Seagate to produce different drives for them and mobo manufacturers to provide them with custom built rocket speed mobos. I am getting the whole picture now :)

    Thanks for the accounts lesson oh great sir. So I should give them my money in order to make them show me advertisements and keep their shareholders happy? Sorry but my close up does not look like this
    http://tinyurl.co.uk/6zy3
     
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    It's pretty simple. Mac O.S caters to niche audience.It has more innovative features than
    Windows ( ofcourse M$ copies all the Mac's features in it's next O.S release!!!). Mac is
    expensive beyond doubt. That's why Microsoft was able to penetrate the market so easily!!!
     
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    You should rephrase that to:
    "Mac was expensive beyond doubt. That's why Microsoft was able to penetrate the market so easily!!!"
    I do not disagree that Apple's products used to be grossly overpriced in the not too distant past, but they offer the most competitively priced products in the market today.
    I have another post to support my Apple is not expensive theory, if you would care to have a look here:
    Apple expensive? I don't think so... (part deux). Comments are now open to everyone, if you are so inclined.
     
  14. gxsaurav

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    Macs were costly....then they switched to Intel X86 CPU to reduces costs
    Now they are just over prices PCs

    Eddie, u r right,...even I would like to ask Andy, what special components apple uses in their Macs which make them 23k or 4k costly then similarly configured PCs, which is also justified according to him....I guess they had SATA 2 HD already when PCs were running PATA in 2001

    Andy, u r not the only one here who has worked on a Mac, better come to the real world

    the cheapest Mac is a Mac mini, well, yeah it is...but it does not comes with a Monitor keyboard mouse, etc etc....& what about the sound card, oh it's 2.1 channel onboard. What about the graphics card, oh it's onboard GMA 950 which no one can upgrade. So it's cheap & value for money at 35k, right.

    we can get a PC in 35k, without Core 2 duo, but Athlon64 3800+ X2 for sure, just cos core 2 duo is hard to find in retail channel, & we can easily have a 7300GT or Radeon X1600XT with 512 MB VRAM in it & onboard 5.1/7.1 channel audio, monitor keyboard & mouse included...with far better upgrade capability

    This is India, why are u comparing Apple USA prices & PC USA prices in India? This is for all of the readers here.

    & cut the shareholder talk etc....we are consumers, & we want product at lower cost, we don't want to pay Rs 5000 more, just so that the shareholders are happy

    & Andy, in that techspot thread, didn't U said u got your Mac mini for 26k? this is the first time I m hearing that a dealer is selling a branded computer at cost less then it's MRP tera bhai tha kya

    Jguru

    where have u been when apple copied Spotlight from Longhorn beta shown in 2003 or system backup in form of Time Machine in leopard, come to real world guys, everyone copies from everyone...this is business

    The only thing I still like about Apple which is a hardware company is that they made beautiful looking Computers, I mean, no one ever thought of squeezing a computer in a small box like Mac mini, even though, it just stays like that always with no upgradeability. The iMac G4 with the round base is still my favorite designed Computer, iMacG5 & iMac core duo, the whole in one Mac sux in design

    PCs are meant to be upgraded as & when needed, Shuttle XPC ever seen those, they are damn small, yet they provide full upgrading capability

    aryaush, about your config

    U R installing a mobile core 2 duo CPU in a PC desktop, great...just great, they don't even install on desktop PCs, they are costly already cos they are for mobile usage

    U included a $140 isight camera in your PC config, again...superb choice, a great camera for PC which doesn't even work with PC...umm...what was the price of Microsoft LX 6000, i guess $79 or $89

    apple keyboard & mouse....well, i guess white color hardware comes $10 costly
     
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    Ten US dollars amounts to Rs. 456.84. You can get a keyboard and mouse combo cheaper than that, irrespective of whether it is 'white' or not?!? I don't think so, mate.
     
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    Come again, didn't get u?

    what i meant was, Apple's own keyboard & Mouse, are more costly then normal PC keyboard & Mouse, & they charge the premium just cos it's white in color :-D

    By the way, why no comments or answers to the other point i posted?
     
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    freshseasons King of my own Castle

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    I completly agree with gxsaurav on this ! I mean If we think that way even " Mercedes are not expensive ".
    Apples have always been into premium Product flagships! Ibook is no more functional than PC Laptop yet the drooling Power simply makes one pay for it.
    Apple now since using Softwares that can install windows xp on intel Proccy macs shows they will want to use the windows XP customers base who have an eye for mac.
    Points mentioned by gxsaurav are pretty much valid and hence thres no point repeating them
    Apples are expensive and they remain so now !
     
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    ppl usually think more expensive products are better. these compnies that cant bring in the numbers resort to high prices to create a kind of niche market. another example is bose....
     
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    Tiger and Vista: Pictures do speak louder than words!

    Tiger and Vista: Pictures do speak louder than words!
    This post is a must read for Mac and PC users alike. I have been as objective as it is humanly possible to be. The subjective differences that appear on such articles are bound to be present though. Please do give it a look anyway! Thanks! :)
     
  20. gxsaurav

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    Oh comon....don't u have anything else to do. Once u were proven wrong, that Mac is not cheap...u start saying a completely different thing.

    An idea is so obvious, it comes on it's own...Linux & Mac also copy from Windows, why didn't u show time machine, & it's Windows equivalent, Windows backup system. Why didn't u said that instant search was a feature of WinFS first shown in Longhorn builds 4053 in 2003, which apple copied & released in Mac first as spotlight

    U are saying Flip3D & Expose are same, well tell me from which angle...they are completely different. Expose is a 2d layer, parallel to the monitor screen; Flip3D is a 3d layer in itself with Z-buffer

    Windows Explorer & Finder are alike...yeah right....do u see an address bar in finder

    Control panel searching, again, why don't u say KDE copied it before vista did...this is an obvious feature, which u don't even need actually. Just read what’s on the screen...& u will find what u r looking for

    Dock is stylish, that’s it. For years Mac apps are pallated, just look at after effect 6.5 for Mac or GIMP for Mac, & look at AE7 for Mac. However this is just a true innovation. So I won't argue on it...Kudos to Apple for the dock

    Even I can say, that Apple copied the current alt+tab from Windows, to show the icons

    Dashboard...again, now that is a rip off of Konfabulater, everyone knows that & Sidebar is nothing like dashboard. Sidebar is a container for Widgets, unlike dashboard, which is not a container..But another layer on top of Mac UI

    Windows Photo gallery is new, & it's nothing like iphoto....I haven't used iphoto so I can't say though

    Burn files to CD was already available in Windows XP, from the time it was released, but I don't think it was in MacOS X 10.0 or 10.1...they added it later

    Media centre is a copy of front row ...ya, right....absolutely true man....where were u in 2003, 2004 2005 when XP MCE was released, u r saying the other way around

    URGE & iTunes, that’s different discussion anyway, I can say a lot of shortcoming of ipod too....& there are many in Playforsure devices too.

    U said better get a Mac, well...why didn't u also said that MacOS works only on Computers made by Apple, which cannot be upgraded by user, which has far less choice when upgrading unlike PCs, & have no value for money anyway. U can't even upgrade RAM on your own

    Get your facts right, owning a Mac does not mean its better
     
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