AMD Piledriver Discussion Thread

[Skyh3ck]

Bulldozer has released and got mixed review or people can say that it didn't meet the expectation set by the hype it created.

Now the next stop is Piledriver from AMD camp.

I am not a Extreme Tech guy I just try to learn thing from net and forums... Its my passion and hobby. So whatever I write here is found from google search or some Tech sites.

I am starting this thread to discuss the next line of processor from AMD.

"Piledriver" is the codename of AMD's processor micro-architecture that succeeds "Bulldozer", which AMD is referring to as a "2nd Generation Bulldozer". Piledriver isn't an evolution over Bulldozer as such,and is more of a incremental update to the architecture.

Piledriver features an improved core design to bring about performance improvements of 10% over Bulldozer. It features two new instruction sets: FMA3 (Fast Memory Access 3) and Converged BMI (Branch if MInus). It will feature an improved IOMMU (memory mapping unit), referred to as IOMMU v2. Apart from these, Piledriver will fit into the existing ecosystem of AMD FX Processors, consisting of socket AM3+ and AMD 9-series chipsets. AMD is currently referring to the platform Piledriver-based processors will form around themselves as "FX Next".

Mods please tell me if anything wrong. I am just a learner and this is my first thread.

 

[Skud]

This was published in July:-

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The Komodo CPU has since been canned as per reports. So Piledriver will now head to AM3+ and Trinity will be the 1st CPU on FM2. Frankly speaking, I would like to see AMD moving to a completely new socket now. It's just time.

 

[d6bmg]

Frankly speaking, I would like to see AMD moving to a completely new socket now. It's just time.

I will vote for this. I also think its just the time to move to a completely new socket.

 

[max_snyper]

frankly speaking....i think amd should move to pin-less configuration as intel did 7 years ago...!
BTW they should stop calling it a core...and start calling it a "module"!!!

 

[skeletor]

frankly speaking....i think amd should move to pin-less configuration as intel did 7 years ago...!

There is no 'pinless' configuration. Intel too has pins. Albeit on the motherboard. I've seen people bending pins whether it's LGA or PGA. AMD does use LGA for their server sockets.

yea, I am in favour of a new socket. Don't think about backwards compatibility for once and get rid of the sh!t which surrounds this platform. Also, implement new things without any compromises you have to do to maintain compatibility.

 

[Skud]

Here's my wishlist for future AMD CPUs:-

1) Make competitive single core performance. Doesn't matter if it beats Intel or not, it just need to be good enough.

2) Multi-core is the way to go. So BD is a step ahead in that direction. Looking forward to see more octa-core or even more core PD CPUs.

3) Make APU universal. So instead of AMD CPUs, they all should be APUs with varied degrees of graphical prowess.

4) Move to a new socket with new chipset without any backward compatibility.

5) Lastly, learn from the history of Radeon 4800.

 

[vickybat]

Here's my wishlist for future AMD CPUs:-

Make APU universal. So instead of AMD CPUs, they all should be APUs with varied degrees of graphical prowess.

This one seems highly unlikely atleast for the near future.To incorporate a powerful gpu core inside a cpu the tdp has to be checked.
Unless newer fabrication techniques are introduced and gpu's take the sub 20nm route, its not possible to integrate a higher shader count gpu without increasing the tdp to unacceptable levels.

So get ready to witness a slower evolution rate in this section. From what i had read, amd was planning to add a gpu instead of the floating point execution unit in future bulldozer cpu's. That's because gpu's have excellent floating point throughput. But these are not likely to happen in near future but sometime after wards.

 

[Skud]

Yeah, I am aware of that. But given the nature of design of BD, AMD should be faster on this if they really want to challenge Intel. Hopefully GloFlo's problems will be sorted out even quicker.

 

[max_snyper]

dude"ICO" i know that it just that....we always need to take extra care when handling costly CPU's with pins....fear of dropping....lil bit carelessness we easily break off pins
Not in case of motherboards...how often do we handle motherboards carelessly?
bigger surface area to catch on the motherboard.
+1 for Intel for including lga.

And for AMD PD..leave everything just work on single threading improvement..!

 

[Tech_Wiz]

Piledriver is coming on AM3+ right? So that people can go for it skipping BD like people ditched Vista and went on Win 7 directly

 

[vickybat]

^^ I guess its planned for socket FM2. Though it will have backward compatibility with AM3+ mobos most probably.

 

[Skud]

As per recent reports, Trinity will be FM2 and PD will be AM3+. Read post #2.

 

[vickybat]

^^ Read it properly mate. Its clearly written in the "corona" block that upto 10 piledriver cores under fm2 infrastructure. It won't be am3+ but will be compatible nonetheless.

 

[sukesh1090]

^^may be he pointed to this line,

The Komodo CPU has since been canned as per reports. So Piledriver will now head to AM3+ and Trinity will be the 1st CPU on FM2. Frankly speaking, I would like to see AMD moving to a completely new socket now. It's just time.

 

[Skud]

^^ Read it properly mate. Its clearly written in the "corona" block that upto 10 piledriver cores under fm2 infrastructure. It won't be am3+ but will be compatible nonetheless.

^^may be he pointed to this line,

Exactly. Thanks Sukesh.

@vicky: That slide is pretty older, some 3-4 months back. The scenario has changed after that. All these are mere speculation at this moment though. Lets wait and see.

 

[Skyh3ck]

Since the time BD has released and failed (I will say did not meet the hyped)... No news can be found on PD I am constantly checking all leading Tech news site but Post BD no word about PD....

It seems AMD does not to hype PD hence they are quite...... But it that is good if you don't expect much and get more you feel good..


Also I agree that AMD should move pinless design....

I could not wrote much on the first Post as I am posting all this from a mobile phone

 

[Skud]

Something to cheer about?

Maximum PC | AMD Says Trinity Coming 'Very Early Next Year'


@sumesara
Hype is good, as long as you keep it practical. AMD went overboard with return of legendary FX comics and all stuff. That was bad and immature marketing.

 

[Skud]

AMD scrambles to bring Piledriver to market | KitGuru

So what can we expect?

Well, the news from AMD in 2012 centres on an update to the present Bulldozer cores, called Piledriver.

The expected advantages comes from :-

• Increase in core capacity by up to 25%, making more cores available more of the time
• Reduced power requirement, making the chip more efficient
• Real world performance boost (clock led?) by something like 10%, making each core do more

But will it be enough?

The answer to that lies in 3 areas:-

• Can AMD bring this new technology to market in time to challenge Ivy Bridge?
• Can they do it in a cost effective way – allowing for competitive pricing ?

 

[Skyh3ck]

Thanks for the link.....

Ivy bridge will decide how well people will accept PD......

As the PD is based on BD architecture and windows 7 is not doing what it should do for BD.... Then its AMD to do something so windows take full advantage of PileDrivers architecture....

Also Intel claims that the software are already 5-6 years behind hardware... So can we say that Intel Proccy are backward then AMD..... Or Intel are going parallel to software and AMD is too much advanced.........

 

[max_snyper]

^^ for current generation hardware....u can pretty much say that :"Intel is parallel with software development" but not in the case of AMD they have created a non traditional design with BD...but cant say that they are too much advanced against software development..!